It is now obvious that Philbin viewed Flynn as only a slight upgrade, if that.

[catch22]

If Miami was really serious about Flynn, they would have waited until he made his decision before meeting with Smith and they would have offered him a better contract. I think Philbin would have signed Flynn only to a very minimal contract as he see's Matt Moore as pretty close to the same level of talent. I do think Philbin would have slightly preferred Flynn to Moore but not enough to justify the difference in price. I think Flynn technically did choose Seattle. But in reality the dolphins chose not to really chase him. They Low Balled him because Philbin knows something we dont know. He knows more about Flynn than probably anyone else and he did not want to stake his coaching career on someone who could possibly be a big miss.

The other alternative that many of you are suggesting is that we really wanted him but he spurned us for Seattle.. That does not make sense with the turn of events. here's why:

1)we did not offer him a big contract
2)we started meeting with A. Smith and planned a meeting with Girrard before he had made his decision. (this was the obvious tell for me. If Philbin was all in this would not have happened.)
3)we would have offered an instant starting situation as opposed to seattle's QB comp
4)Flynns dad and others had stated that he would have loved to play in Miami
5)the Seattle signing removes one QB starved team that was positioned lower than us in the draft

Basically all signs point to the fact that while Philbin would have been happy with Flynn, he and the staff were perfectly ok with him signing elsewhere.

I think now for sure that Philbin wanted to Draft a QB or get Flynn so cheap that his coaching career would not rest in Flynn's unproven hands . It is the Green Bay way of things. I don't think we sign Smith unless he is real real cheap


Wyche's article on NFL.COM that is up now supports this theory, here is a section below.
http://www.nfl.com/news/story/09000...eahawks-land-flynn?module=HP11_headline_stack

"New Dolphins coach Joe Philbin was Flynn's position coach at Green Bay and knows just about everything there is to know about the former seventh-round pick who has started two games in his career. If their relationship was bad, a meeting never would have been arranged, so scrap that theory. If Miami really thought he was The Guy, it would have showed its intent. It didn't, so he took his talents to the Space Needle."​

 

[52CANES]

spin spin spin.......

 

[GoonBoss]

What I think is he got caught up in Pete Carroll's "rah rah" schtick. Carroll's the boss, and
his staff is going to mirror his philosiphy.

I'm not hating on Carroll. Whatever you need to do is what you need to do, but in my opinion
where Carroll is always going to fall short is Xs and Os at the pro level.

I wish Flynn would've come here. But at the same time, we have other options.

I also think Flynn chose poorly.

 

[natetherock]

I agree completely... if Philbin isn't sold then why would any of us be? Because we've seen every pass he's thrown on Youtube. Give me a break guys they obviously didn't make a push to sign him. They may have even wanted him to sign in Seattle because that makes one less QB hungry team come draft day.

 

[ohall]

spin spin spin.......

So you are saying that the Phins offered the same type of contract and Flynn out right chose Seattle over the Phins? Or you are saying they shouldn't have low balled Flynn and paid him starters money, when they seem to not view him as a sure fire starter over Moore?

 

[catch22]

spin spin spin.......

I can see what you are saying. but do you honestly think that Miami was really All in on Flynn? Is it not also spin to say that He "chose seattle" when we chose to start looking elsewhere before he made up his mind. and we chose to low ball him?

I am not arguing if it was the right or wrong decision here as I wanted Flynn and I think he may have upside... But Philbin did not really really want him. That seems so blatantly obvious.

 

[Bonedoc7777]

just draft tannehill, might have to trade up

 

[dlockz]

we will never know what happened I personally think he chose seattle over us. He is not the first this offseason. shefter now 0-2 lol

 

[fishbanger]

If Flynn was only a slight upgrade then why did Philbin call Flynn first and not Smith. What is Smith a less then slight upgrade? This is starting to sound sad which is not a good thing. Smith would have got called first if that were the case. By the way they are going to pay Smith more money to sign if they sign him. What does that mean?

 

[catch22]

If Flynn was only a slight upgrade then why did Philbin call Flynn first and not Smith. What is Smith a less then slight upgrade? This is starting to sound sad which is not a good thing. Smith would have got called first if that were the case. By the way they are going to pay Smith more money to sign if they sign him. What does that mean?

I don't think either Smith or the Dolphins were being genuinely serious about signing. Miami kind of wanted Flynn but did not want to pay him franchise money, Smith was hurt about the Peyton thing and hates his agent. So they used each other as a play to both get what they want. For Smith that was a better contract and satisfaction of the threat of SF being without a solid starter if Peyton signs elsewhere, for the fins a possiblity to get a really really low priced Flynn which did not work.

My only point here is that yes.. low balling flynn backfired a bit but before Flynn had made his decison we were already looking elsewhere. If Philbin really really really wanted him we would have done what we did with Peyton (stick with him like glue until he said no)

I really DO not think Miami will sign Alex Smith..

But if they do it will be only after Peyton signs with the 49'rs as we could then low ball smith to a contract that is lower than 8 Million per year.

I really think we may pick up a really cheap veteran and roll the dice in the draft.

 

[mdolp1]

I think there is power struggle already brewing between Philbin and ireland. I think Philbin wanted Flynn but our genius GM did not and our genius GM ia...Fidel Castro won the battle! We are screwed until this organization gets a new owner and Blows up this team from top to bottom!

 

[ohall]

we will never know what happened I personally think he chose seattle over us. He is not the first this offseason. shefter now 0-2 lol

Based on what, are ALL the reports that the Dolphins low balled him lies?

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I think there is power struggle already brewing between Philbin and ireland. I think Philbin wanted Flynn but our genius GM did not and our genius GM ia...Fidel Castro won the battle! We are screwed until this organization gets a new owner and Blows up this team from top to bottom!

How did you come to this conclusion?

 

[Gadsden86]

..... We are screwed until this organization gets a new owner and Blows up this team from top to bottom!

People said this when we had hizinga as our old owner. What we need is to Draft a QB in the 1st and let him learn for more than 4 games and stop getting scrubs.
Let Moore start and Tannenhill learn.

 

[dlockz]

Based on what, are ALL the reports that the Dolphins low balled him lies?

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How did you come to this conclusion?

The initial report from some was seattle low balled him and didnt see him as a sure starter. i dont believe either report. Maybe we did low ball him because for some reason a team with three straight losing seasons has little cap room even after trading one of thier most expensive players. i just think seattle seemed a more attractive option and i dont see such the seattle deal as being huge money. They guaranteed 10 mill, hell we gave almost that much to a friggin safety that is noty even near top notch,

 

[finfan54]

If Miami was really serious about Flynn, they would have waited until he made his decision before meeting with Smith and they would have offered him a better contract. I think Philbin would have signed Flynn only to a very minimal contract as he see's Matt Moore as pretty close to the same level of talent. I do think Philbin would have slightly preferred Flynn to Moore but not enough to justify the difference in price. I think Flynn technically did choose Seattle. But in reality the dolphins chose not to really chase him. They Low Balled him because Philbin knows something we dont know. He knows more about Flynn than probably anyone else and he did not want to stake his coaching career on someone who could possibly be a big miss.

The other alternative that many of you are suggesting is that we really wanted him but he spurned us for Seattle.. That does not make sense with the turn of events. here's why:

1)we did not offer him a big contract
2)we started meeting with A. Smith and planned a meeting with Girrard before he had made his decision. (this was the obvious tell for me. If Philbin was all in this would not have happened.)
3)we would have offered an instant starting situation as opposed to seattle's QB comp
4)Flynns dad and others had stated that he would have loved to play in Miami
5)the Seattle signing removes one QB starved team that was positioned lower than us in the draft

Basically all signs point to the fact that while Philbin would have been happy with Flynn, he and the staff were perfectly ok with him signing elsewhere.

I think now for sure that Philbin wanted to Draft a QB or get Flynn so cheap that his coaching career would not rest in Flynn's unproven hands . It is the Green Bay way of things. I don't think we sign Smith unless he is real real cheap


Wyche's article on NFL.COM that is up now supports this theory, here is a section below.
http://www.nfl.com/news/story/09000...eahawks-land-flynn?module=HP11_headline_stack

"New Dolphins coach Joe Philbin was Flynn's position coach at Green Bay and knows just about everything there is to know about the former seventh-round pick who has started two games in his career. If their relationship was bad, a meeting never would have been arranged, so scrap that theory. If Miami really thought he was The Guy, it would have showed its intent. It didn't, so he took his talents to the Space Needle."​

your right on with alot of this. I dont like wyche at NFLN though. He is one who played Miami as losers all along with manning and doesnt really have any respect for us like most media outlets.

This morning I wake up and see Alex Smith coming to Miami? pic of him at airport? holy crap. my jaw dropped. where the hell did that come from? did Wyche or anyone else see that coming? of course you didnt, cus the dolphin FO has closed its doors down to the media, which spurns them so the media play this game.

But the timing of Alex Smith is very interesting. As soon as the Flynn camp heard he was in town early am. they had to freak. they changed. Seattle changed. They supposedly wanted Smith. Well, we wanted first looksie, and nobody saw that coming. nobody.