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dolpns13 said:
Offense wins games....Defense wins championships...Hence Indy, KC (as of a few years ago)
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That's what im saying...neither KC or Indy won a championship recently.
 
I think we will be ok...not great but not bad and probably continue to win between 7 and 10 games....if we are going to compete for the division and have a shot at the Superbowl, we need to improve our o-line, get another RB to help Ronnie (maybe Ricky, maybe someone else), we also could use a big play receiver who can actually catch the ball, a new field goal kicker, and some younger guys on D (especially our D-line, and maybe a LB). We will just be a pretty average team until then....I see us finishing 8-8.
 
Let's settle down everybody and look at the 2006 season from a realistic and constructive perspective. Did we really think that after a 1-6 start we'd make the playoffs? I doubt it.
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CHAOZFILMS: what board you been reading?

i may have missed someone, but as far as i know, I AM THE ONLY ONE
WHO SAID THE PLAYOFFS WERE A SAD DREAM, NO HOPE!!

99.99999% of the posters here said saban would pull it off, and
anyone who disagreed [me], was not a fan, a hater, a moron, etc...
heck, some were even talking superbowl!!

lets just hope saban goes to alabama and duante gets pooped canned
by the next regime or we will be in WORSE shape next year with more
fans pie in the sky dreams being dashed.

__________________________________________________

KUECH FOR GM!!
 
Redneck Friend said:
CHAOZFILMS: what board you been reading?

i may have missed someone, but as far as i know, I AM THE ONLY ONE
WHO SAID THE PLAYOFFS WERE A SAD DREAM, NO HOPE!!

99.99999% of the posters here said saban would pull it off, and
anyone who disagreed [me], was not a fan, a hater, a moron, etc...
heck, some were even talking superbowl!!

lets just hope saban goes to alabama and duante gets pooped canned
by the next regime or we will be in WORSE shape next year with more
fans pie in the sky dreams being dashed.

__________________________________________________

KUECH FOR GM!!
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Huh?
 
ChaozFilms said:
Let's settle down everybody and look at the 2006 season from a realistic and constructive perspective. Did we really think that after a 1-6 start we'd make the playoffs? I doubt it. We tried to convince ourselves. But we never really believed it. Can we make it at 9-7 now? Hardly. But the season wasn't wasted. We learned some things that will help in rebuiliding:
  • Chris Chambers is NOT the the reliable Number 1 WR every is making him out to be. Is he good? Yeah. But is he better than Booker? It's hard to make a case that he is. We have two very reliable Number 2 guys in Chambers and Booker but we still need to find that pro bowl caliber guy. Nothing that I've seen in Hagan so far tells me he'll be the guy. And being a rookie shouldn't be an excuse this late in the season. Just ask Marques Colston or Greg Jennings.
  • Ronnie Brown is NOT the complete solution to our RB problem. He's better than what we had in 2004, but he's no Ricky Williams. If Ricky is back next year along with Ronnie they'll make a great tandem. If Ricky doesn't come back we need to sign a semi-big name or draft a rookie RB that can complement Ronnie's running game.
  • Both Joey Harrington and Daunte Culpepper are good enough guys to build a team around. If we go with Culpepper making a move for Moss in the offseason is important. The guy needs a target he's comfortable with, and lets be honest. Would you be confident throwing the ball to Chambers? I know that Moss has the potential to be a cancer, but so did Lawrence Taylor. Guys can change with a good team and a solid coach. Oakland isn't that, so guys, give Moss a chance. If Harrington becomes our guy we need to get him guys like Brady has in NE. He doesn't beat you with his arm, but his quick dump off is effective with guys that are clutch and don't have the drops.
  • Our secondary is good. Yeah, they had a bad game yesterday, but they're gelling. By the end of the season we could have an above-average solid unit.
  • Our defensive line is getting older, but it's still very deep and will hold for some more years while the rebuilding goes on. Eventually we will need new guys though. Oddly enough this is probably the area that worries me the most.
  • The O-Line is gelling nicely and will be healthier next season. They won't be giving up the early sacks they did early this season unless injury plagues them again. If Ricky returns it'll be a huge boost for this unit because lets face it, Ronnie isn't scaring anybody right now, and that doesn't help this unit out at all.
  • Now, you're all going to kill me, but Mike Mularky has to STAY. I don't like his play-calling. I think it's average. But tell me. Who out there is better? I think we need to be consistent at least one more year before we get a new OC. Things are looking bad in St. Louis right now and you never know, in 2 or 3 years Linehan may be on the market for another OC gig.
  • TE/FB is starting to be a major issue. Wether it's blocking for the runner or pass protecting these guys haven't gotten the job done and we need to look for different alternatives. Is this CRUCIAL? No. But it wouldn't hurt.
We have to remember that this is only 2006. 2004 wasn't too far away. We're still rebuilding! Anybody who thought Super Bowl in 2006 was just being unfair to this team and its coach, Nick Saban. If healthy this is what our offense could look like next year:

QB = Daunte Culpepper
RB = Ricky Williams
RB = Ronnie Brown
TE = Randy McMichael
WR = Randy Moss
WR = Chris Chambers
WR = Marty Booker
WR = Wes Welker

And with future projects like Derek Hagan, Cleo Lemon, and Marcus Vick I'd say this team can definitely get real deep real quick. We just need to give these Miami Dolphins a little more time.
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Not a bad read. You put some effort into this, but i must disagree on a few points. First of all, let's take a look at Ronnie Brown. Ronnie isn't a flashy Reggie Bush type back. Ronnie is more like a steady Emmitt Smith type back. Let me explain, the greatest compliment given to Emmitt was how strong he was later in the game, and got most of his yards late. Here is a little stat about Ronnie, when he carries the ball more than 20 times a game he averages 4.54 yds/carry, and when he carries the ball less than 20, he only averages 3.14 yds/carry. I guess what I am saying Ronnie is a strong bruising back that can get stronger as the game goes on. Just look at the Chicago game, he was a beast. But another strong factor about Ronnie has been the offensive line, which brings me to another point. Our O-line is make-shift at best. When we won 4 straight, everyone was raving what a great move it was moving Shelton to RG. Okay it was a good move, but losing James hurt us, and yesterday D-Macintosh looked silly on a couple of rushes. We are at best an average line. Average lines DO NOT make playoffs and win championships. We need to truly look at upgrading at left tackle and investing in the future of this line. I honestly feel that if Ronnie had the line of the caliber of KC or SD, he could put up monster numbers. As far as Ricky, I believe he would be performing the same as Ronnie. I mean look at Edgerin James, do you think he suddenly forgot how to run the ball or is AZ's line that bad. I think we all know the answer.

As far as Chambers is concerned, I think he could still easily be a number one. But Chris is dependant on a strong running game. He does not do well in double coverages and just needs to focus on the moment.

So all in all a good post, but to say RB and CC need to be replaced, I think we have much more pressing issues and those two players have to be considered assets not liabilities.
 
Redneck Friend said:
CHAOZFILMS: what board you been reading?

i may have missed someone, but as far as i know, I AM THE ONLY ONE
WHO SAID THE PLAYOFFS WERE A SAD DREAM, NO HOPE!!

99.99999% of the posters here said saban would pull it off, and
anyone who disagreed [me], was not a fan, a hater, a moron, etc...
heck, some were even talking superbowl!!

lets just hope saban goes to alabama and duante gets pooped canned
by the next regime or we will be in WORSE shape next year with more
fans pie in the sky dreams being dashed.

__________________________________________________

KUECH FOR GM!!
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So let me get this straight Saban and Daunte is the reason we are 5-7. Look the reason people talked SuperBowl was because the game is in Miami and it would of been just a great feat. But to sit there and say you hope Saban goes to Alabama, common! Who do you want to coach, I know let's bring back Shula, no, Johnson, no lets get Spurrier. We have the best coach for our team, RIGHT NOW!!! And as far as Daunte is concerned, how can you or anyone else pass judgement on a guy who had a severely injured knee. So you dont want to even give C-Pep a shot when he is completely healthy! You my good man are quite the optimist. Oh and to say you are the only one to say we wouldn't make the palyoffs, man you may be the next nostradomus (excuse the spelling). You are the kind of person that bets against his team, so if they win he still wins!!! Boy are you a gambler!!!!!!

Yes I agree that this is a season of what ifs, but Jesus, at least we aren't the BUCS!!!
 
This is just Madden 07...how do you propose we get Randy Moss?
 
ChaozFilms said:
Let's settle down everybody and look at the 2006 season from a realistic and constructive perspective. Did we really think that after a 1-6 start we'd make the playoffs? I doubt it. We tried to convince ourselves. But we never really believed it. Can we make it at 9-7 now? Hardly. But the season wasn't wasted. We learned some things that will help in rebuiliding:

  • Chris Chambers is NOT the the reliable Number 1 WR every is making him out to be. Is he good? Yeah. But is he better than Booker? It's hard to make a case that he is. We have two very reliable Number 2 guys in Chambers and Booker but we still need to find that pro bowl caliber guy. Nothing that I've seen in Hagan so far tells me he'll be the guy. And being a rookie shouldn't be an excuse this late in the season. Just ask Marques Colston or Greg Jennings.
  • Ronnie Brown is NOT the complete solution to our RB problem. He's better than what we had in 2004, but he's no Ricky Williams. If Ricky is back next year along with Ronnie they'll make a great tandem. If Ricky doesn't come back we need to sign a semi-big name or draft a rookie RB that can complement Ronnie's running game.
  • Both Joey Harrington and Daunte Culpepper are good enough guys to build a team around. If we go with Culpepper making a move for Moss in the offseason is important. The guy needs a target he's comfortable with, and lets be honest. Would you be confident throwing the ball to Chambers? I know that Moss has the potential to be a cancer, but so did Lawrence Taylor. Guys can change with a good team and a solid coach. Oakland isn't that, so guys, give Moss a chance. If Harrington becomes our guy we need to get him guys like Brady has in NE. He doesn't beat you with his arm, but his quick dump off is effective with guys that are clutch and don't have the drops.
  • Our secondary is good. Yeah, they had a bad game yesterday, but they're gelling. By the end of the season we could have an above-average solid unit.
  • Our defensive line is getting older, but it's still very deep and will hold for some more years while the rebuilding goes on. Eventually we will need new guys though. Oddly enough this is probably the area that worries me the most.
  • The O-Line is gelling nicely and will be healthier next season. They won't be giving up the early sacks they did early this season unless injury plagues them again. If Ricky returns it'll be a huge boost for this unit because lets face it, Ronnie isn't scaring anybody right now, and that doesn't help this unit out at all.
  • Now, you're all going to kill me, but Mike Mularky has to STAY. I don't like his play-calling. I think it's average. But tell me. Who out there is better? I think we need to be consistent at least one more year before we get a new OC. Things are looking bad in St. Louis right now and you never know, in 2 or 3 years Linehan may be on the market for another OC gig.
  • TE/FB is starting to be a major issue. Wether it's blocking for the runner or pass protecting these guys haven't gotten the job done and we need to look for different alternatives. Is this CRUCIAL? No. But it wouldn't hurt.
We have to remember that this is only 2006. 2004 wasn't too far away. We're still rebuilding! Anybody who thought Super Bowl in 2006 was just being unfair to this team and its coach, Nick Saban. If healthy this is what our offense could look like next year:

QB = Daunte Culpepper
RB = Ricky Williams
RB = Ronnie Brown
TE = Randy McMichael
WR = Randy Moss
WR = Chris Chambers
WR = Marty Booker
WR = Wes Welker

And with future projects like Derek Hagan, Cleo Lemon, and Marcus Vick I'd say this team can definitely get real deep real quick. We just need to give these Miami Dolphins a little more time.
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If only it were that simple. I, like most, do not agree with your list of the things we "learned" this season. That means it is not so clear. That means we do not know what to do for sure. That is why Saban and the coaching staff will have to make some of the tough decisions.

Your reasoning in many cases is way off. For instance, with the issues we are facing, we can't go out and get a new TE and a new #1 WR....Just not practical even if you think they are not as good as we need. Chambers at #1 WR we can live with, McIntosh at LT we probably can't. It is all about tough choices.
 
tmny99 said:
This is just Madden 07...how do you propose we get Randy Moss?
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don't know but we certainly can't have Chambers and Moss
 
Randy Moss can stay the hell away from this team, and Ricky is not a #1 back over Ronnie.
 
nick1 said:
we should really think about drafting Brain Leonard, he is a 2nd rounder. he is an all purpose FB. he can block, catch and rush the ball.

with this offseason we will have a great team next year, we have money to spend

FA

Lance Briggs
a good o-linemen (not my most knowledgeable area)

draft

1st - Sidney Rice
2nd - Brain Leonard
3rd - Mason Krosby
build depth the rest of draft

we could have a very good team next year, we just need a good OLB, a more well rounded FB, a reliable kicker and a dependable WR, plus some better depth
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Sidney Rice is a soph...I believe, Brian Leonard does not have the speed to play RB and I would not waste a 2 on a pure FB when Kyle Eckel is still in the mix with Darian Barnes...FB's are relativly easy to get in the FA market. Crosby in the 3rd....not for me...kickers are too hard to project and he will be there in the 5-6 range if we pick up another pick..
 
my 2 cents said:
Sidney Rice is a soph...I believe, Brian Leonard does not have the speed to play RB and I would not waste a 2 on a pure FB when Kyle Eckel is still in the mix with Darian Barnes...FB's are relativly easy to get in the FA market. Crosby in the 3rd....not for me...kickers are too hard to project and he will be there in the 5-6 range if we pick up another pick..
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sounds like you disagree with it all :lol:

while Rice is a So. he has been out of HS for 3 years, so he can declare and is expected to. I really like Leonard because of all of his deminsions, he can block, catch and run. similiar to Alsott only Leonard is a better blocker. having a FB like this would really open up the playbook. I don't think Krosby will last that long, he is projected 2nd or 3rd round and many kickers do get selected in that range. just look at Mike Nugent of the Jets
 
I do NOT want MOSS on this team ... not now -- not ever

His work ethic is terrible .... he makes Burress look like Welker !! ... and Owens on the field he is NOT !!
 
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