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SF Dolphin Fan said:
With Miami signing Z. Wilson to backup Tua, that signals that the Dolphins are likely to draft a quarterback.

I think Howard or Leonard would be nice options for Miami. But if Milroe makes it to 48 do you gamble on the athlete?
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I think it'll probably be a Day 3 pick. I view Milroe as somewhere between Malik Willis and Lamar Jackson. Admittedly, there's a huge gulf between them, but he's more pro-ready and talented than Willis was, but not as ready or dynamic as Jackson.

Unless Grier and McDaniel have been told they'll be back in 2026 no matter what, I doubt they'd have interest in using the 48th pick on a player who won't see the field for a while.
 
j-off-her-doll said:
I think it'll probably be a Day 3 pick. I view Milroe as somewhere between Malik Willis and Lamar Jackson. Admittedly, there's a huge gulf between them, but he's more pro-ready and talented than Willis was, but not as ready or dynamic as Jackson.

Unless Grier and McDaniel have been told they'll be back in 2026 no matter what, I doubt they'd have interest in using the 48th pick on a player who won't see the field for a while.
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That's a good floor and ceiling comparison. I've always looked the other way when it came to quarterbacks with accuracy issues. But then there was Josh Allen.

I never saw him play at Wyoming, but those concerns showed early in his career. Milroe has what I call Jimmy Garappalo accuracy a lot, throwing to the wrong shoulder, making the receiver work, but generally getting it close.

I don't know if he can iron that out. Another year of college would have probably have been the better decision.

At some point, I might pull the trigger on his athleticism with an initial plan in mind to make use of his talents.

Or Riley Leonard in the middle rounds, who I think has a lot of ability. I'm also a fan of Will Howard as a high end backup type.
 
j-off-her-doll said:
I think it'll probably be a Day 3 pick. I view Milroe as somewhere between Malik Willis and Lamar Jackson. Admittedly, there's a huge gulf between them, but he's more pro-ready and talented than Willis was, but not as ready or dynamic as Jackson.

Unless Grier and McDaniel have been told they'll be back in 2026 no matter what, I doubt they'd have interest in using the 48th pick on a player who won't see the field for a while.
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Not sure what to think of Milroe because he's jekyl and hyde with consistency.
Athletically he's the most gifted qb in the class
He shredded UGA and then looked out of whack against Vanderbilt the very next week
In the intangible department, he did show resiliency during his time at Alabama
 
Isn't it obvious that Dillon Gabriel is the perfect QB for the Dolphins to draft?

He would bring a Tua 2.0 skill set.
Deadly accuracy.
Quick release.
Strong, Durable, and Dependable.
High Football IQ.
Experience: 5 years at 3 schools with 3 different systems.
Left-Handed Hawaiian.
Underdog, Team Player.
National Championship Finalist/Undefeated Season.

Tua's injury risk is the Dolphins' #1 concern this off-season. Enter Gabriel who has the special physical and mental abilities to execute the Dolphins' offense in Tua's absence.

The Tandem of Tua and Dillon could stabilize the QB position for years.

I think Wilson is just a short-term precaution.


If Dillon Gabriel is there at #98, he has to be the pick. But Miami should be careful not to let another team out-maneuver them late in the 3rd.

The Dolphins shouldn't have to spend a 1st or 2nd on Gabriel, but he is the most important player for the Dolphins to draft this year.
 
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The issue with taking Gabriel is that while he is an excellent fit with McDaniel as HC who knows how long he will be in Miami?

In a year The Fins might have a HC who wants a athletic QB or one with a big arm.

He would be a great fit to backup Tua in McD's Offense. I think he is being underrated, his arm is better than he gets credit for, his issue is lack of height.

He is a winner and a leader and in the right situation could do well.
 
jimthefin said:
The issue with taking Gabriel is that while he is an excellent fit with McDaniel as HC who knows how long he will be in Miami?

In a year The Fins might have a HC who wants a athletic QB or one with a big arm.

He would be a great fit to backup Tua in McD's Offense. I think he is being underrated, his arm is better than he gets credit for, his issue is lack of height.

He is a winner and a leader and in the right situation could do well.
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I personally do not believe for a second that Grier or McDaniel are going anywhere. I have ranted and preached the evils of throwing away progress and starting over, repeatedly! Last year Tua made a play with his heart and lost his head. It ruined the Dolphins' season... plus I spent a fortune on Seahawks tickets just to go up there and be embarrassed by the dysfunctional offense losing a game which the defense kept within reach. Most of us inhabitants of FH thought we had a great team last year. Everyone else in the AFCE was retooling and we planned on making a playoff run. We learned a hard lesson... I hope!

Tua needs to be protected. From the defense... and from himself. The concussion wasn't on the OL. But the team didn't sufficiently prepare for an extensive QB absence. QB is the most important position on the field and it isn't even close. Priority #1 for this off-season is to solidify our QB position with necessary depth.

@jimthefin and I agree that Gabriel is a perfect fit to be the backup. Conventional wisdom says that QB's must be over 6 feet tall and thick enough to withstand 18 weeks of getting physically pounded.

We have seen Gabriel play for 5 college seasons in power 5 conferences. He has thrived with his ability to see targets and deliver the football with Heismanic efficiency. He also didn't get injured.

Playing NFL QB at <=6"0 has been done many times: Drew Brees is HOF bound, owns top five all-time passing records. Russell Wilson Has won a Superbowl, lost another, and has borderline HOF production. Sonny Jergensen, Pat Hayden, YA Tittle, Len Dawson, Sid Luckman, Michael Vick, Doug Flutie (5' 10"), Joe Theisman, Fran Tarkenton, and Bob Griese (6' 1').

In addition, many others have played backup QB over the years too. A prime example is Chase Daniel. Daniel mentored perfect prototype QB Blaine Gabbert at Missouri. Gabbert was drafted #10 overall, while Daniel went undrafted because he was 6' 0. Gabbert had a mediocre NFL career. Daniel had a 14 year NFL career as a reliable backup. He was at New Orleans when they were great as Drew Brees' backup. Brees and Daniel were the same size. Brees backed up Doug Flutie in his rookie year.

Fortunately, Gabriel went down to Miami to visit the Dolphins after the Senior Bowl. They must not be shy pursuing Gabriel on Draft Day. Gabriel has shown that he can operate different styles of offenses so other teams should be very interested in the 2025 Draft's best backup QB Prospect as well. I wouldn't be surprised to see him get picked in round one, given Bo Nix's surprising success this year. Even Pick #13 is a dirt-cheap price to pay for a franchise QB duo.
 
Couple things made me bump Dart back down/make me think he's further away from starting - he drops his eyes when pressured and sometimes just kinda sputters. It's not smooth or graceful enough off-schedule. Because his ceiling is more reasonable than elite, and because he has that major hiccup, I think he's probably closer to Sanders than Ward.

Conversely, my initial impression was that Milroe is the QB with the most special traits, including Ward. He's also the furthest away in a lot of ways, but his special traits could ease his progression. I've said he's somewhere between Jackson and Willis, and I think I underrated the value of that. We just saw Hurts win a SB - and play elite ball in the SB fwiw - and I think Milroe can develop into something comparable. He has less experience entering the league, but he's further along, relative to his experience, and he's way more explosive and has a bigger arm. I think they have similar strengths and weaknesses - but with different elite traits.

Milroe's athleticism and arm talent really stretch the defense, increasing his margin for error, but he still has a lot of room to grow, and some of that will have to come with time and reps. Top 10 talent, but given the need to sit, Top 20 sounds right.
 
j-off-her-doll said:
Couple things made me bump Dart back down/make me think he's further away from starting - he drops his eyes when pressured and sometimes just kinda sputters. It's not smooth or graceful enough off-schedule. Because his ceiling is more reasonable than elite, and because he has that major hiccup, I think he's probably closer to Sanders than Ward.

Conversely, my initial impression was that Milroe is the QB with the most special traits, including Ward. He's also the furthest away in a lot of ways, but his special traits could ease his progression. I've said he's somewhere between Jackson and Willis, and I think I underrated the value of that. We just saw Hurts win a SB - and play elite ball in the SB fwiw - and I think Milroe can develop into something comparable. He has less experience entering the league, but he's further along, relative to his experience, and he's way more explosive and has a bigger arm. I think they have similar strengths and weaknesses - but with different elite traits.

Milroe's athleticism and arm talent really stretch the defense, increasing his margin for error, but he still has a lot of room to grow, and some of that will have to come with time and reps. Top 10 talent, but given the need to sit, Top 20 sounds right.
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I think we're on the same page here. Pittsburgh, late 1st, could pull the trigger. I think that's the first team to watch.

The team that takes Milroe might have to do what Buffalo did year one with Allen. One read and run, simplify the offense as he grows into the position. Be patient.

It feels like he's a year behind Hurts, developmental wise, but his upside is intriguing.

Miami? Very doubtful they look that early at quarterback.
 
SF Dolphin Fan said:
I think we're on the same page here. Pittsburgh, late 1st, could pull the trigger. I think that's the first team to watch.

The team that takes Milroe might have to do what Buffalo did year one with Allen. One read and run, simplify the offense as he grows into the position. Be patient.

It feels like he's a year behind Hurts, developmental wise, but his upside is intriguing.

Miami? Very doubtful they look that early at quarterback.
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Agree with everything here. He's about a year behind Hurts imo because he's has 18 fewer games played and about 400 fewer pass attempts than Hurts did coming out.

I think it'd be smart for the Eagles or Ravens to target him. While he obv isn't ready yet to execute everything Hurts and Jackson do within their offenses, he could do a lot of the same things, so it'd give them a backup who could maintain an explosive running game.
 
j-off-her-doll said:
Agree with everything here. He's about a year behind Hurts imo because he's has 18 fewer games played and about 400 fewer pass attempts than Hurts did coming out.

I think it'd be smart for the Eagles or Ravens to target him. While he obv isn't ready yet to execute everything Hurts and Jackson do within their offenses, he could do a lot of the same things, so it'd give them a backup who could maintain an explosive running game.
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I got the Eagles taking him at 96
 
j-off-her-doll said:
Agree with everything here. He's about a year behind Hurts imo because he's has 18 fewer games played and about 400 fewer pass attempts than Hurts did coming out.

I think it'd be smart for the Eagles or Ravens to target him. While he obv isn't ready yet to execute everything Hurts and Jackson do within their offenses, he could do a lot of the same things, so it'd give them a backup who could maintain an explosive running game.
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The only reason I think Milroe could be in play, assuming he makes it to 48, is McDaniel's love of speed. In a way, I think he could be the ideal type of quarterback McDaniel would draft if Miami didn't have Tua and he were starting out.
 
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