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Jake Long: LT or RT

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I've read in a lot of places that Jake Long projects more as a RT than an LT. However, I have not read WHY this seems to be a prevailing thought.

Does anyone know what it is about Long's game that makes him more of a RT than an LT?

Also, Scott Wright of NFLDraftCountdown says he's not as good as Joe Thomas, but better than Levi Brown. If that's an accurate summary of his game, I'll take him in a heartbeat. I mean, if he's even close to Joe Thomas, I'll take him over a DT any day.
 
I think he's a RT. A very good run blocker, he has size, strength, great hands and works well to the 2nd level. Basically when things are in front of him, he looks great. I am not a fan of his kickslide, I think in pass pro he tends to get his feet a little too much under him, he can waist bend and he looks a little mechanical. To the point where I think he'll have issues with speed rushers. I just don't think he's a particularly athletic LT.

I don't think he's close to Joe Thomas. I think you'd be looking at a Pro Bowl RT in the "more athletic than Jon Runyan" category, but at left tackle, you might not be getting the best out of him.
 
He will now go on to have a Hall of Fame career at left tackle!!
 
I think he's a RT. A very good run blocker, he has size, strength, great hands and works well to the 2nd level. Basically when things are in front of him, he looks great. I am not a fan of his kickslide, I think in pass pro he tends to get his feet a little too much under him, he can waist bend and he looks a little mechanical. To the point where I think he'll have issues with speed rushers. I just don't think he's a particularly athletic LT.

I don't think he's close to Joe Thomas. I think you'd be looking at a Pro Bowl RT in the "more athletic than Jon Runyan" category, but at left tackle, you might not be getting the best out of him.

Not even close to Joe Thomas, eh? Dang.
 
Not even close to Joe Thomas, eh? Dang.


Well, I'm not talking Richmond Webb to Spencer Folau difference, but I think Joe would grade out the better player on my board if they were both in this years draft.

I happen to think that Jeffrey Otah and Ryan Clady are better pure left tackles.
 
Spencer Folau reference. That guy sucked.

I think we need a LT real bad. Move Vern back to RT.

My understanding is that Otah & Clady will be gone by #32, but Sam Baker might be there. Thoughts on Baker?
 
Good RT and run-blocker. Have to wait and see for his Combine results (especially agility) to see if he can play LT.
 
why not just give carey another year at left tackle? he didnt do a bad job this year and it was his 1st real year at left side.
 
How many sacks did he give up this year? What was it, one?
Yeah NFL is tougher and faster I know, but thats impressive. You can work with mechanics and increase agility somewhat, but the guy has a very very solid base to work with. He a run blocking destroyer, and solid against the pass. I think you can work with him against pure speed rushers like Freeney or Kerney and solidify that, but he will handle bull rushes pretty well. I really think people are overlooking him a bit, hes a nasty player out there, maybe not Thomas' level but I think not that far off either.
 
I like him at LT actually. I think he has quick enough feet and good strength. My knock on him is that he does not have great technique in pass protection. He loses leverage occasionaly because he can sometimes stand too upright and can get pushed back. He needs to have more knee bend and a solid base in pass protection on a consistent basis on every play. He does have good technique usually but I think he loses focus sometimes.
 
Spencer Folau reference. That guy sucked.

I think we need a LT real bad. Move Vern back to RT.

My understanding is that Otah & Clady will be gone by #32, but Sam Baker might be there. Thoughts on Baker?

Great pass blocker, a real technician who uses great hands, great feet, great technique and long arms to keep people at bay. I think he gave up a single sack all year and no QB pressures. Not one. But he's not a great run blocker; he's more a finesse guy. He doesn't finish his blocks and he's not overly aggressive. Of course, someone like Mike Maser would ride his asss and toughen him up. At this stage he's a mid to late 1 IMO. 2 things will factor in; his height. I think he's only around 6'3, maybe less. If that's the case, he might project inside. Also, he will probably test brilliantly given his feet and movement to the point where he might oust one or both of Otah and Clady.

I like him and think he can have a very good NFL career.
 
Personally I do not see Sam Baker pass protecting at the NFL level with that frame and from what I've seen thus far.

For Jake Long I do see him at left tackle inasmuch as you always put your best OL at left tackle no matter what and I don't see him going to a lot of OLs that will have a player better than him. In pass pro, he's certainly not a guy that gets the job done with style and grace but he does get the job done. To have only allowed one sack all year and that being to Vernon Gholston during one of the rare days where Gholston is on fire all day, that's pretty impressive to me.

In pass pro, he reminds me of Stephen Neal of the Patriots, the former wrestler. Neal was a championship caliber wrestler before ever he stepped on the football field, so it was a process getting him to display good fundamentals and techniques. But one thing he's had that keeps the Pats coming back to him is this great resilience for working his way out of leverage disadvantages that can come about due to choppy technique. It may be ugly sometimes, but he gets the job done. Jake Long is sort of like that, and I think that's why you get people that wonder if he's a Right Tackle.

But look at the bottom line. The bottom line is he's big, he's strong, he's got a good frame with long arms that Joe Thomas didn't have, his first couple of steps are some of the most explosive I've ever seen (we're talking Joe Staley), he's tough, he's smart (watch him close, he makes a lot of the OL's calls from the LT spot), he's nasty and tenacious. These are the building blocks from which good offensive line coaches build great offensive linemen.

So where people look at Jeff Otah and see all this "potential" because of his inexperience, I look at Jeff Otah and I see a more finished product than Jake Long. The only area where Otah needs "finishing" is his X's and O's, the rule blocking and priority chain associated with zone protections and some run plays. Once he's got that down, he is what he is, a dominant force to be reckoned with. Jake Long is not all that he could be, yet. But, if he's already got a knack for recovering from disadvantages that poor technique get him in his unbalanced kick slide, then imagine what he could be when/if a Hudson Houck or Jim McNally or someone of that caliber can get hold of him and get him all wound up to keep moving his feet?

The thing I can't deny about Jake Long is that, because of those explosive feet, he has more potential than Jeff Otah...who has feet that are smooth and sweet, but not explosive. If someone can work on his drop to make him smoother and more balanced out, then he could be an All Pro at Left Tackle. I wouldn't bank on that, though. I'd take Otah, then Long, then Clady.
 
So my question is, do you want to spend the #1 pick on a guy that pass protects like Stephen Neal?

Answer: No. No matter how well he run blocks. If I'm spending the 1st picck on a LT, I want him to be like Tony Boselli, a guy with feet like a ballerina. That's not what I see in Long.

Look at the flexibility specifically of the great ones; I don't readily see a consistent ability to bend at the knees. That balance that you get from knee bending, I don't always see. He's extending his legs in pass pro too often for a possible #1 pick and once those legs are extended, then kiss goodbye to your power and strength. I don't see a consistent knee coil.

Look at a Walter Jones or even a Joe Thomas, at the way they open their hips and take that big step to the outside while in pass pro. I see a very different animal in Jake Long when he does that to when I watch Jones or Pace, etc. When he's pass protecting against the smaller, quicker defensive ends, the Freeney's, the Taylors, etc., that initial step that allows them to keep from turning their shoulders to the sideline; again, I don't see that enough in Long. And I'm not sure a Mike Maser or a Hudson Houck or a Dante Scarnecchia sorts that out when it's fundamentally a nimbleness issue, a footwork issue and a speed of feet issue. Some things you simply can't do.

But much as I was confident in Thomas last year and you were less so, I'm sure this is some freaky draft revenge played out by the ghost of Joel Buchsbaum - otherwise known as God!!!
 
Suffice it to say, I don't see a problem in foot quickness, I see a problem in consistent technique. He needs to get a wider base, bend at the knees more and that will give him better balance. If Hudson Houck can get Vernon Carey to pick up his feet, I have no reason to think he couldn't get Jake Long to bend at the knees.
 
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