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I heard them interviewing new Bengal WR, Brandon LaFell today on Sirius NFL radio. He was asked about the importance of 40 times after Treadwell ran a slow 4.63 at his Ole Miss Pro Day. LaFell said something interesting. He said that while the 40 time is a good indicator, it is more important to look at what the players display on the field in games. The specific example he used was Jarvis Landry, who ran a 4.65 at his Combine. However, he said when you watch Jarvis in games he has separation - he may time 4.65 but he looks 4.4 in games. Other players who time 4.4 and look 4.6 in games because they don't get separation (cough, Brian Hartline).
Considering LaFell has just come from 2 years of Bill Belichick coaching, this may have been raised in the Patriots locker room.
Incidentally, LaFell ran 4.54 for his 40. His rule of thumb is anything under 4.5 is fast, but always watch them in games to see if they can get separation.
 
spiketex said:
I heard them interviewing new Bengal WR, Brandon LaFell today on Sirius NFL radio. He was asked about the importance of 40 times after Treadwell ran a slow 4.63 at his Ole Miss Pro Day. LaFell said something interesting. He said that while the 40 time is a good indicator, it is more important to look at what the players display on the field in games. The specific example he used was Jarvis Landry, who ran a 4.65 at his Combine. However, he said when you watch Jarvis in games he has separation - he may time 4.65 but he looks 4.4 in games. Other players who time 4.4 and look 4.6 in games because they don't get separation (cough, Brian Hartline).
Considering LaFell has just come from 2 years of Bill Belichick coaching, this may have been raised in the Patriots locker room.
Incidentally, LaFell ran 4.54 for his 40. His rule of thumb is anything under 4.5 is fast, but always watch them in games to see if they can get separation.
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Thats the issue with putting too much stock in the combine. How often do we hear how great a player will be based on a 40 time or a cone drill.
 
dlockz said:
Thats the issue with putting too much stock in the combine. How often do we hear how great a player will be based on a 40 time or a cone drill.
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The combine should only be used to confirm things someone has seen on film...
 
FSU Truth said:
The combine should only be used to confirm things someone has seen on film...
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I have always said you use the combine to choose between similar players that had similar results. The combine has now become more important than what you actually see a player do in actual games
 
It is a big issue on the boundary and in red zone, where quickness is needed. It is not so much an issue where Landry plays, in the middle against lb and s.
 
j-off-her-doll said:
Just curious, what's your approach when the Combine does not confirm what you see on tape?
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Typically they do...

A shorter DB that has good tape, you want to see that vert and 40 to see if he can play on the outside or if he will be a slot guy.

LB's to check the level of athlete..some perform well in college (Scooby comes to mind this year), but his level of athlete means he will most likely never be more then a 2 down thumper (tape confirms this, but you hope for a surprise).
 
The TAPE never lies.

The underwear Olympics on the other hand.....

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This is something that I don't quite understand. Shouldn't being faster allow you to be able to separate easier? Of-course, this is assumes you know how to run routes at the NFL professional level.
 
dlockz said:
Thats the issue with putting too much stock in the combine. How often do we hear how great a player will be based on a 40 time or a cone drill.
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You hit the nail right on head my man. Last year Breshad Perriman was that guy who's stock increased because of this speed.
 
Some guys are slow
Some guys don't run the 40 yard dash that well. They aren't necessarily the same guys.
 
To address LaFell's comment - Jarvis Landry definitely doesn't play faster than he actually is... he's got a ton of great attributes, running like he's a 4.4 player is definitely not one of them. He's successful because he does a lot of other things well.

And the comments he made are nothing new nor are they rocket science... being successful as a receiver is more than just straight line speed, anyone could tell you that.
 
spiketex said:
I heard them interviewing new Bengal WR, Brandon LaFell today on Sirius NFL radio. He was asked about the importance of 40 times after Treadwell ran a slow 4.63 at his Ole Miss Pro Day. LaFell said something interesting. He said that while the 40 time is a good indicator, it is more important to look at what the players display on the field in games. The specific example he used was Jarvis Landry, who ran a 4.65 at his Combine. However, he said when you watch Jarvis in games he has separation - he may time 4.65 but he looks 4.4 in games. Other players who time 4.4 and look 4.6 in games because they don't get separation (cough, Brian Hartline).
Considering LaFell has just come from 2 years of Bill Belichick coaching, this may have been raised in the Patriots locker room.
Incidentally, LaFell ran 4.54 for his 40. His rule of thumb is anything under 4.5 is fast, but always watch them in games to see if they can get separation.
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Incidently...Jarvis Landry ran a 4.51 a month later at the LSU pro day....Pro football is not track & field.

Jarvis Landry is a football player.
 
I've never understood the fascination with calling guys top prospects because they can run on a track in a straight line
 
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