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Jason Cole on Culpepper

thanks for the link, i miss jc's forum at the herald, always liked his writing also.
 

I have always like JC's writing as well. Below is the comment I sent to him though about the "MF" comment.


Jason,

Thanks for the well written article "Reconstructing Culpepper". It is sad that the hindsighters have come out so soon, especially relating to Drew Brees.

I do take exception to the comment: "The two screamed at each other last Friday, including the exchange of compound words including “M” and “F.”

This really leaves it up to our own interpretation. "MF", what do you think you're doing, I should be starting? OR This is "MF" crazy, I should be starting", are two completely different ways the "M" and "F" comments can be interpreted. While both may be over the top when relating to your head coach, one exhibits utter disrespect while the other exhibits a fiery attitude. Unfortunately, people will base their opinion on which ever suits their own view in stead of what it may actually be.

Thanks again and congrats on the Yahoo gig. Many, including myself miss you in Miami.

Paul
 
Wow, that was an excellent article by JC.

I think the people talking about Culpepper/Brees ought to take note of the $25 million Brees is due over the first two years of the contract. Culpepper probably costs half that over the first two years, and only $7 million of it was guaranteed.
 
Yeah CK...how soon many forget the 6 yr $60 mil Bree came here with. I hindsight, Brees positioned himself for a win win, able to play or not!
 
endorphin said:
Yeah CK...how soon many forget the 6 yr $60 mil Bree came here with. I hindsight, Brees positioned himself for a win win, able to play or not!
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Yeah he really did a great job in that regard.
 
Good article. I didn't realize Brees wanted so much money. 25 million over the first two years is a huge chunk of change and we don't have a lot of cap room. And if you look at the MRIs and they show significant damage, what are you supposed to do.

The only thing I can criticize anyone for is having Daunte out there to start the season. It should have been clear that he wasn't fully recovered which should have led to Joey starting. Hopefully this all will make Daunte see what he has to do when he gets back in there.
 
dplunk said:
The only thing I can criticize anyone for is having Daunte out there to start the season. It should have been clear that he wasn't fully recovered which should have led to Joey starting.
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Exactly. And Cole is a good writer, but he also was one of the kool-aid drinkers pushing the whole Daunte as Savior baloney. As people are starting to figure out - it seems the media, fans, and general marketing hype pressured Saban into starting him before he was ready.

I mean ... Cole goes to Yahoo, a company that appears to be losing the battle with Google. Meanwhile the Herald makes a smart move in stealing Jeff Darlington away from Palm Beach since he's one of the few Dolphins writers with "a shred of cred" - especially knowing that Salguero has burned bridges and probably (along with a few others) isn't gonna be on Saban's list for an Interview anytime soon. Nor Joey's for that matter. Oh, so the Herald is unhappy with Saban's posture toward the media? Tough.

Cole is obviously out of the loop. Still slobbering over a "story" about a guy, now a 3rd stringer, who isn't going to play any time soon. I like Ed Pope's article in this week's Herald better:

Dolphins should give Harrington a legitimate shot

"Right now, though, Harrington looks like a better bet than even a 100 percent Culpepper."
 
dplunk said:
The only thing I can criticize anyone for is having Daunte out there to start the season. It should have been clear that he wasn't fully recovered which should have led to Joey starting. Hopefully this all will make Daunte see what he has to do when he gets back in there.
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I agree, I initially wanted Brees over Cpep, but as things unfolded, I liked the move both medically and financially.

When we all found out it was Cpep, I was not so worried about the knee knowing the success that McGahee has had (being a RB that injury was more significant to his career). I thought we would do the same thing with Cpep and sit him all of 06 while Joey took the helm…Maybe now he’ll sit out the remainder of the year while Joey gains trade value.
 
I don't think we trade joey away untill we know for sure daunte is going to recover.

But that was a really good article. I liked what Huard had to say about Danny.
 
I don't think there was any way of knowing what the results were of Daunte coming back until we put him back in the game. During preseason, we didn't have the pressure that we saw vs. Buffalo, Houston, and Tennessee...except in the Tampa game when Daunte got sacked twice in one drive. But, Joey also got sacked once in that game...and it was pretty clear the OL was the main problem.

Then the Pitt game happened and it really didn't look like there would be a problem. It was a lot like the NE game in that it looked like a lot of things combined for that loss, but really pass protection and Daunte's lack of mobility was not one of them. Daunte got sacked one time before the final garbage drive, and on that sack Darian Barnes completely whiffed on Joey Porter coming off the edge.

So we were kind of sucked in to not realizing that we had a serious issue there until after the Buffalo, Tennessee, and Houston games. After Buffalo you're like wow, that looked like a serious issue in that game...but we've only had one preseason game where it looked like an issue and one regular season game vs. one preseason game and one regular season game, so let's move on and see if it stays a factor. Then in the Tennessee game we had similar issues...but we won the game. In this case yeah maybe you could have concluded that Daunte came back too early but it would have been hard to sell sending Daunte back to the training room after a victory. Houston game came and went, same problems, very close loss...we made the move.

Like Saban said, you have to account for the possibility that they did do everything right, but in the end they just needed more time.

It's one of those things you don't know until you get the guy into the live fire situations. You can't simulate it. It's like when I'm trying to evaluate the impact of trading costs on an equity strategy, you can estimate the broker fees and custodian fees and stuff like that and you can use sophisticated systems that give you a roundabout estimation of the cost to trade into and out of a position but you really don't know until you trade the damn stock.
 
ckparrothead said:
I don't think there was any way of knowing what the results were of Daunte coming back until we put him back in the game. During preseason, we didn't have the pressure that we saw vs. Buffalo, Houston, and Tennessee...except in the Tampa game when Daunte got sacked twice in one drive. But, Joey also got sacked once in that game...and it was pretty clear the OL was the main problem.

Then the Pitt game happened and it really didn't look like there would be a problem. It was a lot like the NE game in that it looked like a lot of things combined for that loss, but really pass protection and Daunte's lack of mobility was not one of them. Daunte got sacked one time before the final garbage drive, and on that sack Darian Barnes completely whiffed on Joey Porter coming off the edge.

So we were kind of sucked in to not realizing that we had a serious issue there until after the Buffalo, Tennessee, and Houston games. After Buffalo you're like wow, that looked like a serious issue in that game...but we've only had one preseason game where it looked like an issue and one regular season game vs. one preseason game and one regular season game, so let's move on and see if it stays a factor. Then in the Tennessee game we had similar issues...but we won the game. In this case yeah maybe you could have concluded that Daunte came back too early but it would have been hard to sell sending Daunte back to the training room after a victory. Houston game came and went, same problems, very close loss...we made the move.

Like Saban said, you have to account for the possibility that they did do everything right, but in the end they just needed more time.

It's one of those things you don't know until you get the guy into the live fire situations. You can't simulate it. It's like when I'm trying to evaluate the impact of trading costs on an equity strategy, you can estimate the broker fees and custodian fees and stuff like that and you can use sophisticated systems that give you a roundabout estimation of the cost to trade into and out of a position but you really don't know until you trade the damn stock.
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Well said. I would just add that 4 games is also a very limited amount of games for one to make an assessment of any real value. Yes, we now know that Culpepper wasn't healthy enough to be starting, but to suggest that his entire career is over or that Brees was the better of the 2 Qbs is a premature.
 
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