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I think we found a good wr in.draft Washington. He can replace waddle or hill
 
GRYPHONK said:
The problem is that this isn't what actually happened.

You cannot look at it as 2 separate trades. Grier has already stated, and this has been cleared up MULTIPLE times that GREIR was NEVER trading to 12 if he didn't already have a trade in place to move back up
So people SEEIOUSLY need to stop analyzing the trade from 12 to 6.
The end game is what Miami gained trading down from 3 to 6. Which still ended up being good value.
Stop looking at each trade individually.

Miami got Waddle and an extra first and 3rd. They didn't lose or give up anything.
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So the GM trying to justify his trade puts bows on it. Not in this NFL no way that never happens. Fact remains two first round picks are used to secure Waddle. Anything else stated is not factual.

Let me ask is it the same GM that routinely has said your OL is good?

Can easily debate if he is worth the asset value and contract. What cannot be debated is the asset value to secure him or the contract he signed. Those are factual data points.
 
BillsFanInPeace said:
Fact remains two first round picks are used to secure Waddle. Anything else stated is not factual.
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Or 1 first round pick was used to secure Waddle + an extra 1st round pick +...
 
GRYPHONK said:
Nope, Detroit would have taken Waddle. I think they stated that.

However, Miami would have drafted Smith at 12 with no trade up.

So Miami saves a 1st, but now you have Tua and Smith with a Brian Flores offense. Chances are no Hill in Miami.

There's a domino effect people need to take into account with these what we should have done ideas.

If that draft goes differently. Miami is stuck with Deshaun Watson at QB. That right there makes me NEVER 2nd guess that draft year lol
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If I cant make assumptions then you cant either. Who really knows who would have done what.

All I do know, we should have stayed at 12 and kept that extra 1st rounder.
 
What people need to get into their head is that Waddle was the target before they traded out... Waddle was the player they wanted and felt they could get him a bit later... The whole they traded up for Waddle argument implies Grier would've had to change his mind in a matter of a couple of hours between basically a 3 way trade and said **** it, I don't want to do this anymore... complete non-sense.
 
BillsFanInPeace said:
So the GM trying to justify his trade puts bows on it. Not in this NFL no way that never happens. Fact remains two first round picks are used to secure Waddle. Anything else stated is not factual.

Let me ask is it the same GM that routinely has said your OL is good?

Can easily debate if he is worth the asset value and contract. What cannot be debated is the asset value to secure him or the contract he signed. Those are factual data points.
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Again, you're wrong. Miami confirmed it. Philly confirmed it. The trade happening within an hour of the 1st trade confirmed it. Brian Flores indirectly confirmed it

The only ones still looking at it as 2 separate trades are either:
A- Truly don't know
B- Trying to use it to burn Grier for trading assets to draft a WR.

THE fact is, Miami traded down to 6, drafted the WR they were going to draft at 3 ( Again, already confirmed) and got extra draft picks.

Miami gave up nothing to draft Waddle. They gained picks and still drafted their intended target.


The only "debatable" thing is whether Waddle was the right pick and if Miami got enough in return moving from 3-6.
 
GRYPHONK said:
Again, you're wrong. Miami confirmed it. Philly confirmed it. The trade happening within an hour of the 1st trade confirmed it. Brian Flores indirectly confirmed it

The only ones still looking at it as 2 separate trades are either:
A- Truly don't know
B- Trying to use it to burn Grier for trading assets to draft a WR.

THE fact is, Miami traded down to 6, drafted the WR they were going to draft at 3 ( Again, already confirmed) and got extra draft picks.

Miami gave up nothing to draft Waddle. They gained picks and still drafted their intended target.


The only "debatable" thing is whether Waddle was the right pick and if Miami got enough in return moving from 3-6.
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I can't believe this is still being debated... It's ****ing insane actually when you think about it...
 
NBP81 said:
I can't believe this is still being debated... It's ****ing insane actually when you think about it...
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GRYPHONK said:
Again, you're wrong. Miami confirmed it. Philly confirmed it. The trade happening within an hour of the 1st trade confirmed it. Brian Flores indirectly confirmed it

The only ones still looking at it as 2 separate trades are either:
A- Truly don't know
B- Trying to use it to burn Grier for trading assets to draft a WR.

THE fact is, Miami traded down to 6, drafted the WR they were going to draft at 3 ( Again, already confirmed) and got extra draft picks.

Miami gave up nothing to draft Waddle. They gained picks and still drafted their intended target.


The only "debatable" thing is whether Waddle was the right pick and if Miami got enough in return moving from 3-6.
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Fine easy was the pick for waddle did it only use 1600 in pick value (the No 6th) Yes or no. Or was there additional value added to 1600 to get waddle.
 
GRYPHONK said:
Again, you're wrong. Miami confirmed it. Philly confirmed it. The trade happening within an hour of the 1st trade confirmed it. Brian Flores indirectly confirmed it

The only ones still looking at it as 2 separate trades are either:
A- Truly don't know
B- Trying to use it to burn Grier for trading assets to draft a WR.

THE fact is, Miami traded down to 6, drafted the WR they were going to draft at 3 ( Again, already confirmed) and got extra draft picks.

Miami gave up nothing to draft Waddle. They gained picks and still drafted their intended target.


The only "debatable" thing is whether Waddle was the right pick and if Miami got enough in return moving from 3-6.
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Cool well the NFL Transaction log says otherwise. Let me ask when you left 3 why didn’t you go into 6 immediately again? You know one trade and all?
 
BillsFanInPeace said:
Fine easy was the pick for waddle did it only use 1600 in pick value (the No 6th) Yes or no. Or was there additional value added to 1600 to get waddle.
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Fins had #3 to start the day
They ended the day with #6 + 2023 1st + 2022 3rd + 5th

How the **** is that trading up for a player?
 
BillsFanInPeace said:
Cool well the NFL Transaction log says otherwise. Let me ask when you left 3 why didn’t you go into 6 immediately again? You know one trade and all?
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Is this your first encounter with the concept of a 3-way trade?
 
NBP81 said:
Is this your first encounter with the concept of a 3-way trade?
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That's not what happened. They traded back from 3 to 12, then traded up from 12 to 6 which was a huge mistake. Grier said he never would've traded back from 3 to 12 if he didn't already have a deal in place with the Eagles so there's that, but that does not make it a 3 team trade, they are 2 separate trades.

Grier made a great trade to move back, and then screwed it up with his infatuation with Waddle who has been very disappointing as a NFL player. Should've stayed at 3 and drafted a much better WR in Chase, or even better drafted Sewell which imo was the obvious pick, but Grier screwed the whole thing up. He struck gold by trading back to 12 gaining the 2 extra firsts in an extremely talented draft class, but messed everything up by trading up for Waddle.

Drafting Tua over Herbert, trading up for Waddle and trading for Chubb have crippled this franchise from a talent perspective. Hence why it's another failed season and although I doubt there are any changes in the offseason because we're basically stuck contractually, only a fool would think Tua, McDaniel and Grier are safe beyond 2025.
 
GhostofJeffIreland said:
That's not what happened. They traded back from 3 to 12, then traded up from 12 to 6 which was a huge mistake. Grier said he never would've traded back from 3 to 12 if he didn't already have a deal in place with the Eagles so there's that, but that does not make it a 3 team trade, they are 2 separate trades.

Grier made a great trade to move back, and then screwed it up with his infatuation with Waddle who has been very disappointing as a NFL player. Should've stayed at 3 and drafted a much better WR in Chase, or even better drafted Sewell which imo was the obvious pick, but Grier screwed the whole thing up. He struck gold by trading back to 12 gaining the 2 extra firsts in an extremely talented draft class, but messed everything up by trading up for Waddle.

Drafting Tua over Herbert, trading up for Waddle and trading for Chubb have crippled this franchise from a talent perspective. Hence why it's another failed season and although I doubt there are any changes in the offseason because we're basically stuck contractually, only a fool would think Tua, McDaniel and Grier are safe beyond 2025.
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All 3 teams have said it was a 3 way trade, NFL has referenced it as a 3 way trade... But according to Timmy over here, the 3 way trade can identify as 2 separate trades if it wants...

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