Overreact much?
Jeff Ireland has been GM since 2008, stop making excuses
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jlfin
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Actually, that's just your perception. You just referred to Ireland as 'that @$$hole'. I guess that's your idea of objectivity.
Truth is that when BP got here he came with a lot of goodwill from the fan base and a larger than life persona with an over rated image and a gloating sports media (think Peter King) that thought he had a Midas touch. Ireland was brought in as a young guy (he still is) by BP. Everyone understood the hierarchy and make no mistake it was BP.
No one has said that Ireland is a great GM (please find a post that makes that claim), quite frankly because he hasn't been a GM long enough. His last draft showed he's a good evaluator of talent. In some NFL circles he is considered a young up and coming talent evaluator. How does one become a 'great' GM? By establishing a track record. Every coach and GM started somewhere. I still remember Bellichick's 1st HC stint at Cleveland. He was awful and gave no indication that he would ever become what he is today.
There are too many people here that prematurely evaluate the organization. Heck, Ross has been owner for little over a yr and he's largely blamed for the failures that he had nothing to do with. There are many fans that are ready to cut rookie players because they don't play like pro bowlers there 1st yr.
I'm seeing the Houston Texans in the 2nd rd of the playoffs with 2 decent starters (Wade Smith and Jason Allen) that some wanted out of here following their rookie yrs.
An organization has to establish some foundation and some consistency and you are not going to do that by changing FO's every 2-3 yrs. You have to have some confidence that they can bring in the right HC. This is Ross's and Ireland's 1st attempt at that and the final product hasn't even been seen, but some of you are judging because the coaching search isn't going the way YOU wanted it to go.
Yep. For me their isn't enough concrete information to draw a conclusion regarding Ireland yet. I have no idea which selections were his and which ones were parcells. The only reports I heard, whether they were true or not, was that pat white was a parcells pick and that Ireland pushed the Marshall trade. But parcells told ireland that if he traded two seconds for Marshall then he better get one of them back.
I do know that I never liked parcells as a talent evaluator and this goes back to the patriot days when he almost walked out on them for not drafting Duane Clemons over terry Glenn. I find it hard to believe that parcells wasn't the driving force behind the picks while he was here. If someone can show me some information that it was Ireland who was the person behind those selections I will gladly change my stance. So for me, I can really only objectively judge Ireland based on this last draft and offseason and in my opinion it was pretty good. In fact I would say it was the best since parcells came here. Bush was a steal, even though it was deemed a failure only after a few weeks of play. Moore was a nice pickup even though it was ridiculed harshly when it first happened.
So this is an important upcoming offseason for me in how I'm going to judge Ireland. I'm not going to blindly hate the guy for things that I don't fully know the extent of in terms of who really made the picks.
Which leads me to this. Suppose parcells was overriding Ireland for many of the draft selections. Wouldn't the last thing you would want happen is having another coach coming in having the power of final say. I would be adamant against it happening. If Ireland, who essentially is a scout and talent evaluator, was told that another coach was going to have the power to veto his picks, I would of fought against it too. Especially from a coach that has shown no evidence at all that he can do it successfully. Pitt, gb, no, Baltimore and the giants don't allow it. Why should we. Maybe Ireland saw first hand what a glorified coach with too much power can do to a team. He was sitting right next to parcells during the draft.
I'm not a rah rah pro Ireland guy. To me the only thing I know for sure is that this offseason was all Ireland and before that I have no idea. Based on last offseason I am willing to hold my judgement on him through this next offseason. Like I said, if someone can provide information showing that Ireland was primarily responsible for all the previous years, I will gladly change my opinion on him. But to blindly hate him without having all of that information is a bit reactionary in my opinion.
I do know that I never liked parcells as a talent evaluator and this goes back to the patriot days when he almost walked out on them for not drafting Duane Clemons over terry Glenn. I find it hard to believe that parcells wasn't the driving force behind the picks while he was here. If someone can show me some information that it was Ireland who was the person behind those selections I will gladly change my stance. So for me, I can really only objectively judge Ireland based on this last draft and offseason and in my opinion it was pretty good. In fact I would say it was the best since parcells came here. Bush was a steal, even though it was deemed a failure only after a few weeks of play. Moore was a nice pickup even though it was ridiculed harshly when it first happened.
So this is an important upcoming offseason for me in how I'm going to judge Ireland. I'm not going to blindly hate the guy for things that I don't fully know the extent of in terms of who really made the picks.
Which leads me to this. Suppose parcells was overriding Ireland for many of the draft selections. Wouldn't the last thing you would want happen is having another coach coming in having the power of final say. I would be adamant against it happening. If Ireland, who essentially is a scout and talent evaluator, was told that another coach was going to have the power to veto his picks, I would of fought against it too. Especially from a coach that has shown no evidence at all that he can do it successfully. Pitt, gb, no, Baltimore and the giants don't allow it. Why should we. Maybe Ireland saw first hand what a glorified coach with too much power can do to a team. He was sitting right next to parcells during the draft.
I'm not a rah rah pro Ireland guy. To me the only thing I know for sure is that this offseason was all Ireland and before that I have no idea. Based on last offseason I am willing to hold my judgement on him through this next offseason. Like I said, if someone can provide information showing that Ireland was primarily responsible for all the previous years, I will gladly change my opinion on him. But to blindly hate him without having all of that information is a bit reactionary in my opinion.
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They didn't push Tuna out he left when he saw the writing on the wall. He didn't want this failure pined on him!
So Ireland, handcuffed or not by Parcells is accountable for the team's record, right? Well that might or might not be the case. If it is though, I hope you weren't a Fisher booster who conveniently blamed his last 2 seasons of 14-18 (last I looked that was Sparano territory) and mediocre 6 out of 17 seasons with winning records on cheap, meddlesome Bud Adams, especially considering he could have left any one of those times his contract was up for renewal. Can't have it both ways.
Ireland has been GM since 2008? It amazes me how little some people know about this team. Yes, he had the title GM, but did he have the proper decision making abilities as a regular GM. Nope
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Don't know why it is so hard for people to grasp. Fisher although Capt. Mediocrity in the flesh was not as great as made out to be. That said it appears he learned a lot from his Titans years about organizational structure and wants to build a team that works together, but the veto is his. Can you blame him? Look at what just happened to Meatball 100% of the franchises failures are blamed on him and the guy had little authority over his roster and staff. So hell yes if I amd Fisher I want the final word it is my *** on the line. If half of what is being reported is true we are in for a world of pain. NO front office will be successful with a my way or the highway GM!
Sorry I don't see it that way: I see him having a few opportunities to leave when contract renewals rolled around over the course of 17 years. He chose not to. Does that make him a victim or co-conspirator on the mediocrity he produced more often than not (like 65% of the time to be specific). He made his own bed and at certain times had the leverage to go elsewhere. Giving a guy who's got more fail in his background than success the team's final say-so, and that's what it all boils down to, regardless of who the GM is or isn't, IMO is sheer folly; it speaks well for Ross that he told him to GTFO of there.
Ireland is not the issue IMO; it's why should Ireland or any GM have to pay the price for a control overreaction of a mediocre coach with an outdated philosophy who could have changed his status several times instead of living with it. Just saying, if someone wants to conveniently parse their judgment of Fisher based on Bud Adams, it's disingenuous not to make the same distinction regarding Ireland based on The Rancid Tuna.
Now I'm on record for a long time as not having too much of a problem with Ireland but still wanting him gone to purge whatever smell of tuna can be fumigated from Davie. But I do step up when I see convenient inconsistency and disingenuity because it can't work both ways!
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Parcells had final decisions. This past season was Ireland's FIRST with full control and he did a great job
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One could say the great Belichick learned from the mistakes of Art Modells Cleveland Clowns. Look at the issue we have you say Fisher doesn't deserve it and you get no argument from me on that. But was hass Fuer Ireland done to deserve total control?
You are dead on about purging filth! Seriously how can anyone believe this is a new beginning a new direction when Tuna's hand picked protege is running the show?
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The Dolphins are an NFL laughing stock according to Dolphin fans. I don't think I've ever heard this from other teams fans
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Until Ireland gets a QB, he will always be viewed negatively by Dolphin fans. I like what Ireland has done so far and looking back he did great in the last offseason. The problem with Miami has been coaching
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Well this past week I was in DC, Baltimore, Denver, and New England while the fisher saga was going on and yeah we were getting laughed at on sports radio.
ac_lanham
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Unfortunately, a majority of the people are. Some get content and happy with mediocrity just because some dimwit incompetent owner sticks with a head coach or GM who he likes or thinks is a great guy or feels sorry for, etc. This is Huizenga/Wannstedt all over again. Sometimes you just have to cut weight.
ac_lanham
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You must not get out much. I live in South Carolina which has nothing but a few college teams and the Dolphins get trashed down here too. It's rough man.