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Ireland’s 4 Drafts yield very little impact

Posted on March 26, 2012

The Miami Dolphins under GM Jeff Ireland made 33 picks in the 2008, 2009, 2010, and 2011 Drafts.
As of 3/26/12: 18 are still with the Dolphins.

Only three have had an immediate and last impacting, starting as rookies – Jake Long, Vontae Davis, and Mike Pouncey.
14 are back-ups for the Dolphins.

10 picks are now playing for other teams, but, aren’t starting or making an impact.
5 picks are out of the league.

1 pick, Phillip Merling, just re-signed (as a rotational D-lineman).

That means that Ireland selected back-ups or players who couldn’t play in the NFL with 29 of 33 picks.

2008 Draft: Impact player – Jake Long; Long is the only draft pick still with the team as of 3/26/12.

2009 Draft: Impact player – Vontae Davis; team is looking for a corner to challenge/ replace Sean Smith; Hartline is a good 3rd WR; Chris Clemons is a back-up DB; Pat White and JD Folsum are out of the league; John Nalbone and Patrick Turner are with other teams.

2010 Draft: Impact player – none; Odrick missed all of 2010 and only started 7 of 16 games in 2011 but did show that he can be a solid player (at a position which Ireland took Langford and Merling in 2008) and get some sacks; Dolphins looking to replace Misi whom Ireland said would be a pass rush specialist; John Jerry and Nolan Carroll and Reshad Jones are back-ups “competing” for starting positions in 2012; Spitler is a back-up or special teamer; AJ Edds is currently listed with Indianapolis; Chris McCoy is out of the league.

2011 Draft: Impact Player – Mike Pouncey, starter for day 1, solid and should get better (side note, wouldn’t have been needed if Ireland didn’t trade away Satele for nothing); Daniel Thomas (really 2 picks) was injured and didn’t live up to promise in his rookie season as an impact and every-down back and the Dolphins signed a CFL RB to the backfield; Clyde Gates showed he has speed, but not much else with only 2 receptions for 19 yards; Charles Clay showed flashes of what he could become at TE but couldn’t supplant Fasano and the Dolphins re-signed Fasano to be the #1 TE in 2012; Frank Kearse, cut before the 2011 season and played for Carolina in 2011; Jimmy Wilson is a back-up “competing” for a starting position in 2012.

The 2012 Draft is in the hands of Jeff Ireland who selected back-ups or players who couldn’t play in the NFL with 29 of 33 picks in the last 4 drafts.
 
Awsi Dooger, who is far and away the best and most intelligent poster on this board, and a very successful handicapper I might add,, summarized it best:

Awsi Dooger said:
Jeff Ireland's approach requires everybody else to be wrong. Instead of aggressively winning the game by targeting someone and understanding the payoff is multiple times the risk if he's correct, Ireland embraces the worst possible tactic, refusing to bite unless he considers it an extreme bargain. I don't think he has any grasp of the burden of that method, particularly at the quarterback position. You need the league to go 1-31, with yours the only correct assessment.

It reminds me of the Storage Wars TV show on A&E. It took all of one episode for me to figure out that Dave Hester was the sharp speculator on that show, the one with unique insight in a mix of conventional wisdom clods. Hester understands there is value at the extremes. He'll invariably make sure he wins the high priced classy lockers, the ones that could be worth anything. Hester also grabs the near empty rooms; "If you can't risk $40 you won't be around long in this business."

The others fight over moderately priced rooms in a misplaced belief that the value lies there. They'll compete and take those lockers far too high while all but giving up when Hester targets a room with obvious gems, like one episode with new vending machines just sitting there throughout the locker.

The dynamics remind me exactly of fans and general managers who put too much faith in second rounders, foolishly believing it's akin to sneaking a first round talent at bargain rate, but actually a remarkable path to waste year after year while never conceding, or even suspecting, that the approach is flawed. The Hester method would be to outbid and demoralize the competition when a freakish quarterback talent is staring everyone in the face, while persistently looking for late round or free agent guys who don't cost anything but could turn into Romo or Flynn.
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Zounds said:
oh wow, more Fireland propoganda. Just what we needed.
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With Philbin's philosophy on using the draft as a primary way to build the roster, it will be interesting to see how Ireland works with him on getting the right guys. With less emphasis on free agency Ireland better hit on more guys.
 
The thing that ticks me off is both Ross and Ireland told us (before free agency began) that we were going to be real aggressive in free agency and money was no option. Well here we are, still waiting for us to be aggressive as we haven't signed jack squat.
 
DefensiveEnd76 said:
The thing that ticks me off is both Ross and Ireland told us (before free agency began) that we were going to be real aggressive in free agency and money was no option.
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Yea, but they never actually said that. So what are you really ticked off at?
 
Spending like a drunken sailor in free agency never works. and no matter what Ross said, with the salary cap, you have to control costs.
Also, it's a bit early to judge last year's draft
 
where is hartine, bess, odrick, misi, clay, etc.

this is based of the authors OPINION and NOT FACT.

is it impact players? or is it starters? or is it who the author considers SHOULD BE a starter?

b/c last i checked hartline is a starter with some clutch catches and TDs, Bess is basically a starter and was undrafted, clay had an impact last season and was never intended to "unseat fasano" , misi was a starter for a while good or not, odrick was a starter before he got hurt and made some plays last season as part of the rotation, Sean smith you SAY the team is looking to replace smith - but you dont KNOW this at all. he is a 3 year STARTER. spitler is a role playing special teamer who was drafted in the later rounds. . . or undrafted FA? Resahad jones started last year - clemmons the year before we'll see this year.


all in all - article sucks lol. all opinion and speculation, not actually the truth.
 
odricks an impact player who's only getting better...nothing wrong with that at the tail end of round 1...did ireland really say misi would be a pass rush specialist??? jeesh...with those average edge rush tools at best and that one trick pony bull rush move...definitely overdrafted that guy
 
Oh no..another bashing thread! Thanks Op, just what we were lacking....Threads like these makes you realize we must have alot of Rock-Star successful fans in their respective careers. Apparently we're very fortunate here at Finheaven...
 
One thing I can say is an improvement is at least he has gotten something out of each of his 1st round picks, which is a HUGE improvement over all the 1st round picks going back to Daryl Gardener in 1996! They may not be huge impact players, but 3 are starters and I expect Odrick to be this year as well. Besides Ronnie Brown (#2 pick overall- definitely not worth that value) and Vernon Carey (a bit of a reach), no other first round picks were at all useful. We're talking the likes of Jamar Fletcher, Jason Allen, JJ Johnson, John Avery, Yatil Green, and Tedd Ginn (with the #9 overall pick). You can't as an organization whiff on that many 1st round picks, and expect to be competitive.

So the sad thing is, as bad as you think Ireland is, he's clearly an improvement over what came before!
 
That idiot is probably going to draft a Guard or an OT like Reiff at #8. I posted the following in the draft forum, of who Ireland would likely take going by his history (which obviously doesnt include QB, receivers, and the like).

I think the only guy I'd be satisfied with knowing Ireland and his love for linemen and LB's, of who I think will be there at #8, is Luke Kuechly.

To those of you who believe this is a top echelon defense, you're terribly misinformed and don't know what you're watching. This defense consistently gets creamed and torched against playoff caliber offenses (and good QB's), they only look decent against bottom of the barrel offenses led by 3rd string caliber QB's pumping their defensive team stats. Hell, even garbage QB's like Colt McCoy and Tim Tebow go roughshod on this overrated defense in critical 4th quarters. This defense falls apart under any type (or signs) of pressure.

You ever listen to Karlos Dansby speak ? He's a total clown. He cannot lead men. Vontae is dumber than dirt, he can't lead anything. Yeremiah Bell was talked about as being a defensive leader, problem was he's a total introvert and way too soft spoken, he did not have the personality whatsoever. Cam Wake ?? nice player in certain situations, but a leader he is not, nor will he ever be,

This VERY poorly constructed team has no real true leadership within it's roster. Luke Kuechly would bring that much needed leadership to the a$$ clowns on this team, and imo bring the defense to another level. From being merely average and mediocre, to actually being somewhat good and a little more reliable/consistent

Stick Dansby and Burnett on the edges as your OLB's in a 4-3, and stick your leader right smack dab in the middle of your defense. Kuechly = a bigger, stronger, faster Zach Thomas, and who's far better in coverage than Zach ever was (Zach sucked balls in pass coverage, for every nice play Zach made in coverage he got burned 10 times by TE's). Put Koa Misi (another wasted 2nd round pick) where he belongs, on special teams and as a backup. He will never be close to the difference maker that Kuechly will be in the NFL.

The Dolphins totally crapped the bed by not taking Patrick Willis at #9 a few yrs ago. They can redeem themselves by drafting Kuechly, instead of attaining yet another cornfed lineman that won't have close to the same impact as LK will
 
Greyboy said:
That idiot is probably going to draft a Guard or an OT like Reiff at #8. I posted the following in the draft forum, of who Ireland would likely take going by his history (which obviously doesnt include QB, receivers, and the like).

I think the only guy I'd be satisfied with knowing Ireland and his love for linemen and LB's, of who I think will be there at #8, is Luke Kuechly.

To those of you who believe this is a top echelon defense, you're terribly misinformed and don't know what you're watching. This defense consistently gets creamed and torched against playoff caliber offenses (and good QB's), they only look decent against bottom of the barrel offenses led by 3rd string caliber QB's pumping their defensive team stats. Hell, even garbage QB's like Colt McCoy and Tim Tebow go roughshod on this overrated defense in critical 4th quarters. This defense falls apart under any type (or signs) of pressure.

You ever listen to Karlos Dansby speak ? He's a total clown. He cannot lead men. Vontae is dumber than dirt, he can't lead anything. Yeremiah Bell was talked about as being a defensive leader, problem was he's a total introvert and way too soft spoken, he did not have the personality whatsoever. Cam Wake ?? nice player in certain situations, but a leader he is not, nor will he ever be,

This team has no real true leadership within it's roster. Luke Kuechly would bring that much needed leadership to the a$$ clowns on this team, and imo bring the defense to another level. From being merely average and mediocre, to actually being somewhat good and a little more reliable/consistent

Stick Dansby and Burnett on the edges as your OLB's in a 4-3, and stick your leader right sack dab in the middle of your defense. Kuechly = a bigger, stronger, faster Zach Thomas, and who's far better in coverage than Zach ever was (Zach sucked balls in pass coverage, for every nice play Zach made in coverage he got burned 10 times by TE's). Put Koa Misi (another wasted 2nd round pick) where he belongs, on special teams and as a backup. He will never be close to the difference maker that Kuechly will be in the NFL.

The Dolphins totally crapped the bed by not taking Patrick Willis at #9 a few yrs ago. They can redeem themselves by drafting Kuechly, instead of attaining yet another cornfed lineman that won't have close to the same impact as LK will
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Can definitely get on board a keuchly weeden 1 2 pick
 
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