Jeff Ireland = no impact . Trying to be safe, you'll only end up being sorry, & LOSE

[phintim]

Like one poster said there have been quite a few bust picks in the past. JT did not pan out as a all pro right away. There is another well informed poster here who really liked the Sean Smith pick and AJ Edds picks that are borderline. Maybe it was the coaching. Honestly the last 2 drafts were Ireland drafts where the first 3 drafts had Parcells / Ireland written on them as well as those FA signings. Henne, Langford are still around and are very solid players regardless if you like them and Langford is a starter. I will put it this way those first 3 years we had some dud picks mainly in FA since then it has gotten better and the same thing for the draft. I look at Bess, Carpenter and Fields as picks also and you have Wake too. So we have impact players that did not all come from the draft. We have money to spend but not a lot of money like Cinci and Tampa where the fans have to scratch their heads and wonder if their team really wants to win.

 

[Geforce]

2011 Draft: Impact Player – Mike Pouncey, starter for day 1, solid and should get better (side note, wouldn’t have been needed if Ireland didn’t trade away Satele for nothing); Daniel Thomas (really 2 picks) was injured and didn’t live up to promise in his rookie season as an impact and every-down back and the Dolphins signed a CFL RB to the backfield; Clyde Gates showed he has speed, but not much else with only 2 receptions for 19 yards; Charles Clay showed flashes of what he could become at TE but couldn’t supplant Fasano and the Dolphins re-signed Fasano to be the #1 TE in 2012; Frank Kearse, cut before the 2011 season and played for Carolina in 2011; Jimmy Wilson is a back-up “competing” for a starting position in 2012.

Charles Clay was drafted to play FB/HB not TE.

Clay's versatility is the reason the Dolphins released Polite.

Fasano is in the last year of the three year deal he signed in 2010.

 

[Dick Pepperwood]

Ireland is a Worthless Hack. Ross is Clueless. 0-7 start to Last Year will look much like this Year. To Think I was actually excited about Henne starting against the Patriots Last Year. Wow! Starting QB Moore/Garrard not exactly making Defenses concerned, and who is our #1 Receiver. Hartline? Bess? Weak Sauce...

 

[Lee2000]

Ireland is a Worthless Hack. Ross is Clueless. 0-7 start to Last Year will look much like this Year. To Think I was actually excited about Henne starting against the Patriots Last Year. Wow! Starting QB Moore/Garrard not exactly making Defenses concerned, and who is our #1 Receiver. Hartline? Bess? Weak Sauce...

Not discounting your emotions or opinion, but bring some data with you when throwing around words like "worthless hack". I don't always like everything he does, but he has made some good football decisions. He deserves some scrutiny like all of us, but bring some football knowledge with you when addressing his moves. How do you really know Garrard doesn't concern defenses if he is fully healthy. A West Coast Offense doesn't require a #1 receiver. More like three #2 kind of guys because that offense spreads the wealth around instead of going to one guy, like Marshall. Ranting is ok and you are entitled to do it, but when you cool off think of this analytically a little.

 

[Geforce]

Not discounting your emotions or opinion, but bring some data with you when throwing around words like "worthless hack". I don't always like everything he does, but he has made some good football decisions. He deserves some scrutiny like all of us, but bring some football knowledge with you when addressing his moves. How do you really know Garrard doesn't concern defenses if he is fully healthy. A West Coast Offense doesn't require a #1 receiver. More like three #2 kind of guys because that offense spreads the wealth around instead of going to one guy, like Marshall. Ranting is ok and you are entitled to do it, but when you cool off think of this analytically a little.

I hope you're not holding your breath on this?

 

[endorPHINS72]

And what QB did you want him to attempt to take? Ponder? Gabbert? It is really easy to scream Ireland has no produced a QB yet. But which one did you want him to take? Should he have traded up to get Ponder, would the team be in a better situation? How about Gabbert? Did he look like the answer? Ireland does not get credit for not overreacting to an ignorant fan base's screams to get Kyle Orton last year, but he should. Instead he signed Moore, who was ranked 12th in QB rating in the NFL last year. Ahead of Ponder, Gabbert, Andy Dalton, and Cam Newton (all were drafted last year.) If you look at Ireland's drafts and compare them against other GM's in the league, people would realize that he is much better than he is given credit for. And reaching on any player, QB or otherwise usually does not work out in the long run.

We should have drafted Ryan Mallett, who would have been a much wiser investment than trading up to get a not-so-special running back in Daniel Thomas.

 

[lbsfinest]

i have no problem with building the team through the draft....i just wish someone other than Ireland was building the team.

 

[finfan54]

oh wow, more Fireland propoganda. Just what we needed.

and dont forget, they are the most intelligent posters on here....

lol

it wont stop until he's fired. Then its on to the next guy to bash. Joe Philbin.

 

[PALMA]

Ireland is too scared to put his neck out on the line for a potential franchise Quarterback. Instead he opts to accept mediocrity, a player worthy of 8 - 9 wins, buying extra time, hoping he somehow stumbles upon an upgrade through sheer accident.

McCown, Henne, White, Moore, and now Garrard. Five years and that's all we have to show for it? Ireland lucked into Moore, another serviceable average player to accommodate his serviceable and average roster. Perhaps a win or two better than Henne. There was NO WAY Ireland would have put his balls up to the fire to dole out 8 Million a year to Flynn. What if Flynn bombed? Better stick with Moore at a reduced salary. The dumb**** Ireland doesn't realized that Moore on the open market may command near the same salary.

Whatever same theme. Safe, predictable, slow players on a poorly constructed team. No big picture vision, no outside the box thinking, nothing that warrants greatness. It's best everyone realizes that Jeff Ireland will NEVER help the Dolphins win a Lombardi trophy. His fingerprints will never touch it. Five years and we have no difference making stars at any of the key positions - Qb, Pass Rusher, Cornerback/Safety. Wide Receiver/Tight End. We don't even have a young guy capable of possibly being a true difference maker. Just a bunch of average we are hoping might one day overachieve. An Ireland roster will never win more 9 games. That's all he's capable of.

 

[miamb113]

He laid down a foundation this team had no foundation when he got here i expect every pick to be impact players now atleast in the first three rounds well see.

 

[CalDolFan10x14]

I wanna see what kind of foundation he builds this year with Philbin on board. If we don't make any kind of progress, then Ireland likely be gone anyways and I won't have any opposition with it.

 

[NYPhinzFan]

:deadhorse:

 

[McMichael]

you know the saddest part about this whole fire ireland crap.

If you compare these stats to the other 31 NFL teams ... (the 3 "starters", 14 backups, 10 players to other teams, and 5 out of the league)

This is meant to be a negative post against Ireland, and yet I guarantee you these numbers would be at LEAST #16 in the league in efficiency of draft (if not better)

Not to mention pat white was a Parcells pick, and we don't know what Ireland would have wanted to do with that 2'nd rounder

 

[dolphone]

Originally Posted by Awsi Dooger
Jeff Ireland's approach requires everybody else to be wrong. Instead of aggressively winning the game by targeting someone and understanding the payoff is multiple times the risk if he's correct, Ireland embraces the worst possible tactic, refusing to bite unless he considers it an extreme bargain. I don't think he has any grasp of the burden of that method, particularly at the quarterback position. You need the league to go 1-31, with yours the only correct assessment.

It reminds me of the Storage Wars TV show on A&E. It took all of one episode for me to figure out that Dave Hester was the sharp speculator on that show, the one with unique insight in a mix of conventional wisdom clods. Hester understands there is value at the extremes. He'll invariably make sure he wins the high priced classy lockers, the ones that could be worth anything. Hester also grabs the near empty rooms; "If you can't risk $40 you won't be around long in this business."

The others fight over moderately priced rooms in a misplaced belief that the value lies there. They'll compete and take those lockers far too high while all but giving up when Hester targets a room with obvious gems, like one episode with new vending machines just sitting there throughout the locker.

The dynamics remind me exactly of fans and general managers who put too much faith in second rounders, foolishly believing it's akin to sneaking a first round talent at bargain rate, but actually a remarkable path to waste year after year while never conceding, or even suspecting, that the approach is flawed. The Hester method would be to outbid and demoralize the competition when a freakish quarterback talent is staring everyone in the face, while persistently looking for late round or free agent guys who don't cost anything but could turn into Romo or Flynn.






Dave Hester also can afford to hit and miss on the higher priced units. Seeing as he had the capital and assets to offset any loses. Its easy to be a great speculator when you have the biggest wad of cash in the room. The analogy by Awsi has no bearing here, and there for shows the standards you have for debating football topics.

Worst of all, Ireland's doing precisely what the poster's asking for.

With his high picks he's hitting. Jake Long, and Mike Pouncey are great players at their positions; Vontae Davis and Jared Odrick are both very good. And while the low round picks haven't been exactly fruitful (yet), Jonathon Amaya, Davone Bess and Dan Carpenter all came as UFAs. And may I remind you one of those UFAs fits the "late round or free agent guys who don't cost anything but could turn into Romo or Flynn" mold, Pat Devlin.

But because he hasn't "swung for the fences" at QB, he's a slobbering moron. Solid reasoning there.

 

[dolphone]

Ireland is too scared to put his neck out on the line for a potential franchise Quarterback. Instead he opts to accept mediocrity, a player worthy of 8 - 9 wins, buying extra time, hoping he somehow stumbles upon an upgrade through sheer accident.

What's putting "his neck out on the line"? The WAS-STL trade?? That's suicidal.

And much worse... what's a "potential franchise Quarterback"? Matt Moore is a *potential* franchise QB. So is Pat Devlin. Hell, so was Henne.

We should have drafted Ryan Mallett, who would have been a much wiser investment than trading up to get a not-so-special running back in Daniel Thomas.

Yes, because this fanbase so very much tolerates 2nd rounders spent on QBs. It's like magic pixie dust!