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There are several questions regarding the Dolphins. He is not enthused about the available FA QB's. He also thinks that Rivers stock has dropped, due to inactivity, I assume. He states that a high second should be enough to trade for him.

Here is a link http://proxy.espn.go.com/chat/chatESPN?event_id=10282
(I hope).

You may have to cut and paste.
 
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That link is to post something
 
Tony (Wilmington, DE): Did the Dolphins ultimately hurt themselves this season by exceeding expectations, and lowering their draft position, or is the fact that they now believe they can win far more valuable?

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Jeremy Green: (12:13 PM ET ) No. Winning is the most important thing for a team with a new coach. The players and organization now beleive Saban is the guy that can lead them into the future. This is more important than any potential slotting as it pertains to draft picks.

My favorite part of the whole thing.:dolphins:
 
Hey ! This guy is pretty smart...mostly 'cause he agree's with me !!

Jeremy Green: (12:13 PM ET ) No. Winning is the most important thing for a team with a new coach. The players and organization now beleive Saban is the guy that can lead them into the future. This is more important than any potential slotting as it pertains to draft picks.
 
Yes! Besides, there will be a top QB around when we draft anyways!
 
mbsinmisc said:
There are several questions regarding the Dolphins. He is not enthused about the available FA QB's. He also thinks that Rivers stock has dropped, due to inactivity, I assume. He states that a high second should be enough to trade for him.

Here is a link http://proxy.espn.go.com/chat/chatESPN?event_id=10282
(I hope).

You may have to cut and paste.

due to inactivity? I know Steve Young got a lot of mopup time and also started a few in relief, but how many years did he sit inactive on the 49ers roster before playing brilliantly as a starter?

I hope he's right though, because I'd love to take a chance on him.
 
cnc66 said:
Hey ! This guy is pretty smart...mostly 'cause he agree's with me !!

I agree with you too. The question that fan asked was ludicrous--oh yes, we should have finished 5-11 and had miserable self-esteem but HAD A BETTER DRAFT PICK, OMGOMGOMGOGM!

The funny thing is the fans that say stuff like that are usually the fans of teams like the Lions who have been rebuilding since 1957. Just getting top draft picks means nothing. Look how many great players we nabbed in the 3rd and fourth round. And a man named Zach Thomas was a 5th rounder.
 
RobFins2005 said:
I agree with you too. The question that fan asked was ludicrous--oh yes, we should have finished 5-11 and had miserable self-esteem but HAD A BETTER DRAFT PICK, OMGOMGOMGOGM!

The funny thing is the fans that say stuff like that are usually the fans of teams like the Lions who have been rebuilding since 1957. Just getting top draft picks means nothing. Look how many great players we nabbed in the 3rd and fourth round. And a man named Zach Thomas was a 5th rounder.


some of our own too...
http://www.finheaven.com/boardvb2/member.php?u=6495
 
J. Green is Dennis Green's son. He probably has a pretty good handle on McCowns skill set. His analysis of Rivers trade value seems a little off. With the dirth of quality QB's and the number of teams that need a QB, it would seem that a second for River is not enough.
 
Beware of the fast rising quarterback prospects in the draft. There's been too many instances where a guy goes from being a possible late round pick to a first round pick in the span of a few months only to become a complete flop in the NFL. This is why the quarterback position is the most difficult position to evaluate.

I'd honestly rather take someone that drops lower in the draft than the area he was projected than to take someone who used a great season and great workouts to improve his stock from a 5th-6th round pick to a 1st round pick.

Take Kyle Orton for instance. At one point, he was considered a possible first round pick. He had some injuries, and his Purdue team underachieved on the year. Kyle also didn't look good in the Senior Bowl practices. He fell to the 4th round. While many will talk about him getting benched in favor of Rex Grossman late in the year, I don't think anyone can argue that he has easily been the best rookie quarterback in the league. You have to be very careful with this position. Orton wasn't asked to make many big plays this season, but he was learning to do the one thing that may be the hardest for a rookie quarterback to learn. He knows how to manage the game. As he gains in experience and in confidence, I believe you will see the big plays emerge, and then people will talk about how he was a mid round steal when he probably should have been a first round pick to begin with.
 
OK, anyone who knows me knows that I am not all about Rivers to Miami. I do not think that his skill profile fits the skill profile Miami wants in their quarterbacks enough to pay a high price for him.

But if the only thing San Diego is asking for him is a 2nd round pick, I would do it in a heartbeat. Half a heartbeat, in fact.
 
KB21 said:
Beware of the fast rising quarterback prospects in the draft. There's been too many instances where a guy goes from being a possible late round pick to a first round pick in the span of a few months only to become a complete flop in the NFL. This is why the quarterback position is the most difficult position to evaluate.

I'd honestly rather take someone that drops lower in the draft than the area he was projected than to take someone who used a great season and great workouts to improve his stock from a 5th-6th round pick to a 1st round pick.

Take Kyle Orton for instance. At one point, he was considered a possible first round pick. He had some injuries, and his Purdue team underachieved on the year. Kyle also didn't look good in the Senior Bowl practices. He fell to the 4th round. While many will talk about him getting benched in favor of Rex Grossman late in the year, I don't think anyone can argue that he has easily been the best rookie quarterback in the league. You have to be very careful with this position. Orton wasn't asked to make many big plays this season, but he was learning to do the one thing that may be the hardest for a rookie quarterback to learn. He knows how to manage the game. As he gains in experience and in confidence, I believe you will see the big plays emerge, and then people will talk about how he was a mid round steal when he probably should have been a first round pick to begin with.

While I agree about fast risers...I think the jury is still well out on Orton. He may have started during his rookie year and his defense won them 10 games, but he really didn't do much of anything on his own to win them a whole lot of those games. He had a rookie season that would have probably gone down as a bad rookie season if the Bears didn't have a defense that rivals the 2000 Ravens. I think the best we can say about him is that we still don't know what kind of quarterback Orton will end up being, long term. He tossed 9 TDs, 13 interceptions, and had a paltry 5.2 ypa and 51.9% completion. Let's be honest with ourselves and call his rookie campaign for what it was. He was the worst starting QB in 2005, I don't think there can be any doubt about that. He had a worse rookie campaign than the likes of Rick Mirer, Joey Harrington, Cade McNown, Tim Couch, Ryan Leaf, Peyton Manning...heck at this point the only guy I can find that had a worse rookie campaign as a starter is Akili Smith. If you know any others please feel free to bring them up. I'm not saying this season is any reason to close the book on Orton or bash him, but it certainly isn't any reason to deal him praise either.
 
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