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Jerome Messam,Daniel Thomas,Draft Day Trades,And Accomplishing The Impossible

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Many have already lost hope in the 2012 season, and,IMO, for good reason; but I am an eternal optimist and believe there is always a way.

Looking at the Dolphins bizarre(Artis Hicks) and anemic(Garrard,Westerman) off season activity, it would now appear impossible to actually improve the team enough to compete for the playoffs.

I think it could still be done with some extremely aggressive, out of the box thinking.

Fact: Dolphins need an NFL ready elite QB prospect to start day one and lead Philbin and Sherman's new offense. Weeden is the only answer.

Fact: The pieces are there for a dominant defense, but The Dolphins desperately need a true pass rusher opposite Wake, and a player who could truly backup and contribute as a situational pass rusher.

Fact: Philbin himself has said that one of the keys to his offense is having a prolific receiving TE.

So what could yet be done.

The Dolphins need to trade down from the number 8 and add picks even if isn't particularly a good value trade. Example: Trade down with the Chargers for a 3rd and 4th round pick.

Trade up from the 2nd round into the 1st in order to get the essential pass rusher. Some positions can realistically be dealt with later in the draft, but almost all great pass rushers are drafted high these days.

I have a much stronger belief in the Jerome Messam acquisition than most. I think his blocking and receiving abilities translate perfectly for the new offense. I see Daniel Thomas as expendable.

Trade Daniel Thomas to move up from the 2nd to the 1st round. Who would be interested?? Bengals,Steelers,Giants,etc.
Assuming Richardson goes early to the Browns or Rams. But Thomas is a good young RB who shows good potential?? Ya, that's why he has value. How much?? He was drafted with the 62nd pick which has a 286 point value. Send Daniel Thomas and John Jerry to the Bengals and the value heavily favors the Bengals, but the Dolphins get a real DE/OLB prospect in Whitney Mercilus or Nick Perry.

Trade Sean Smith and the picks from the Chargers and trade up with the Bucs and draft Weeden in the 2nd.

Dolphins trade their 2013 2nd rounder and the 2013 3rd round pick from the Bears and Tyrone Culver to the Colts for the first pick in the 3rd round.

This is what it looks like:
1st.............................Coby Fleener.........TE....Dolphins get their big play TE threat.
1st.............................Whitney Mercilus.....DE/OLB.....The integral piece this defense really needs
2nd.............................Weeden................QB......Ya, he is old, no doubt, but the talent and skill are just undeniable.
3rd............................Bruce Irvin.......OLB/DE....Many think he will be gone by this time but he is what he is; a ST's,situational pass rushing,backup. IMO, that is an integral position, but not something drafted in the 1st or 2nd round,even if the guy is a freak. Example, Dontay Mock went in the 3rd round last year.
3rd..................... Markelle Martin.......SS.......I love this kid, a real achiever.
3rd........................Tony Bergstrom....OG....Another older prospect? Yes but his transition from OT to OG is expected to be seemless and he can start at RG day one.
4th......................Tom Compton.......RT.....Yes, he will be drafted at least this high. He could win the RT job from the get go.
5th.........................Eddie Whitley....DB....A Richard Marshall clone. Can play FS or any CB spot.
6th.........................Bobby Rainey....RB....Darren Sproles??? Kendall Hunter??
7th/FA.....................Chandler Harnish...QB
7th/FA..........................Blake DeChristopher.....OL....Versatile OT/OG could surprise
7th/FA.....................Scott Wedige......OC

Roster:
QB...............Weeden,Garrard,Harnish
RB................Bush,Messam,Rainey,Slaton
FB.................Clay
WR.................Hartline,Bess,Wallace,Gates,Moore,Carter
TE..................Fleener,Fasano
OT...................Long,Compton,Murtha,Hicks
C/OG.............Pouncey,Incognito,Bergstrom,DeChristopher,Wedige

DT................Soliai,Starks,Odrick,McDaniel
DE................Wake,Mercilus,Merling,Irvin
LB.................Dansby,Misi,Burnett,Westerman,Trusnik
S..................Martin,Whitley,Jones,Clemons
CB................Davis,Martin,Agnew,Carroll,Wilson

Yes, there are still some FA's on the market that could really,really help the Dolphins a lot, but, they seem intent on just going with the draft.
 
fact weeden is not the only answer.


philbin is high on clay and i think clay is going to have a break out year. i dont think we will take a te early (first two rounds) but i think we will take one. probly engrew or charles. i want fleener more than anyone but i just dont think its realistic for us, with his huge pro day he will probly be taken late in the first.
in the second i think i want chris givens, but hopefully he can be had in the 3rd.
 
Elite ready prospect? LOL
 
and your scenario is unrealistic as hell man.
and why the heck would you trade dt? he showed that he has potential. i think he needs another year bc he was injured most of this year.
 
You get points for thinking outside the box. Good post. There are a lot of moving parts but who knows.
 
i dont think daniel thomas has anywhere near the value you might think.

also, i really wish people would stop putting bruce irvin on their mock drafts unless it's in the 5th round or later.
 
so 12 picks and not one WR...are biggest need.......fraid not......as someone stated you get a couple points for thinking outside the box though
 
So in this plan we just cut Matt Moore I dont see his name on your list of QBs? Dude isnt getting enough credit for what he did for us last year.
 
So in this plan we just cut Matt Moore I dont see his name on your list of QBs? Dude isnt getting enough credit for what he did for us last year.

With Weeden and Garrard I would trade him before the deadline or use him to finish one of the draft day deals.

One guy said he didn't think DT had enough value. O.K. throw in Matt Moore to cement the deal. Bengals need a good #2 QB. Gradkowski belongs in the arena league IMO.
 
so 12 picks and not one WR...are biggest need.......fraid not......as someone stated you get a couple points for thinking outside the box though

Outside of the top 50 there aren't any sure thing WR's there.

Keep in mind, any WR drafted is going to have beat out at least 5 of the 7 guys already on the roster.

I have 6 wr's on the roster and that's with Julius Pruitt not making it.

I believe the Dolphins would be better off spending this year evaluating the WR's already on the roster and seeing how they all adjust to this offense and then next year draft a WR in the 1st round, or sign an elite WR who fits Philbin's office.

Marshall or no Marshall, when you have 7 guys on the roster at a position that usually carries 5 it isn't exactly an area of desperate need, especially when you are drafting a hybrid TE in the 1st and you have a RB/WR like Bush and a FB like Clay who can also run WR routes, and a 6'4" RB with great hands in Messam.

Bobby Rainey had 336 receiving yds and 4 receiving TD's last year as well.
 
and what about Wide receiver. I'm pretty sure miami needs a top Wide Receiver and one with no.1 receiver talent as miami traded away their top guy with brandon marshall. So miami's passing game isnt going to be that threatening with the WRs we have now without getting a malcom floyd or whoever in the first round that can be the go to guy. Miami has nice compliment WRs but none are no.1, go to guys.
 
Outside of the top 50 there aren't any sure thing WR's there.

Keep in mind, any WR drafted is going to have beat out at least 5 of the 7 guys already on the roster.

I have 6 wr's on the roster and that's with Julius Pruitt not making it.

I believe the Dolphins would be better off spending this year evaluating the WR's already on the roster and seeing how they all adjust to this offense and then next year draft a WR in the 1st round, or sign an elite WR who fits Philbin's office.

Marshall or no Marshall, when you have 7 guys on the roster at a position that usually carries 5 it isn't exactly an area of desperate need, especially when you are drafting a hybrid TE in the 1st and you have a RB/WR like Bush and a FB like Clay who can also run WR routes, and a 6'4" RB with great hands in Messam.

Bobby Rainey had 336 receiving yds and 4 receiving TD's last year as well.

I would be shocked if we didn't grab a WR in the first 3 rounds.....and you are suggesting not drafting any after 12 picks? No way in hell. We will draft a WR within the first 3 rounds...maybe 2......and DT has very little trade value.
 
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