Jets 13th ranked run defense doesnt tell the whole stor

[mandal24]

Jets 13th ranked run defense doesnt tell the whole story!

Inside the numbers:
-The Jets are ranked 13th against the run.
-The Jets are giving up 100 yards rushing per game.
-The Jets have played last years surprise in Steve Slaton, the different running styles of the Pats, the speed and strength of Chris Johnson and Lendale White, and the unknown Pierre Thomas and shifty Reggie Bush.
-Chris Johnson has the longest run against them with a 30 yard gain.

@Houston
-only ran the ball 12 times, with Steve Slaton running 9 times for 17 yards. Chris Brown added 15 yards on 3 carries. Kubiak wants to keep his job, you cant give one of last years best backs the ball 9 times! 12 carries to one team would make any rush defense look good.

New England
-Ran the ball 19 times with 4 different backs for a total of 81 yards. Fred Taylor ran 8 times for 46 yards, almost 6 yards a carry. Brady threw 47 times in this game! For Belichek being such a good coach, the gameplan was not smart.

Titans
-Finally a true test for the Jets, a smashmouth Titans team. Chris Johnson ran 22 times for 97 yards. Lendale White ran 7 times for 27 times and a TD.
So an 0-3 Titans team who I feel we compare similarly to, were able to play well by sticking to its identity and pounding the rock. 29 carries total for 124 yards. Anybody who watched that game would know Titans should have won that game if it weren't for rookie CB Ryan Mouton fumbling TWICE on a kick and punt return. That's two gifts near or in the redzone for the Jets.

Saints
-Ran the ball 29 times for 148 yards and a TD. Pierre Thomas had 86 of those yards and the shifty Bush added 37 yards on only 6 carries.

79 carries total for 385 yards and 2 TDs through 4 games for an average of
4.9 yards a carry and 1 rushing TD per game. (I did not add in QB rushes as sometimes that can skew numbers)

With all that said, I dont feel that teams really ran enough on the Jets. Its no secret Ryan will blitz all day. Its important to get a run game going to negate the blitzes. We have the ability to do that. A pass first team like the Saints plays into the hands of the Jets. A run first team like the Titans is exactly how you play against the Jets.


Just to be things into perspective, here are the quick rushing numbers against the Fins.

Atlanta- 26 rushes for 72 yards
Indianapolis- 10 rushes for 58 yards and 1 TD
San Diego- 27 rushes for 64 yards
Buffalo- 17 rushes for 46 yards

Longest run against us was in Week 2 against the Colts for a whopping 15 yards by Donald Brown.

80 carries against us for 240 yards and 1 rushing TD (although in fairness, Rivers did run one in on us) for an average of 3 yards a carry.

Jet fans like to talk about how their defense is "light years" ahead of ours. I will definitely give props where it is do and their pass defense is as good as it gets, no doubt about it. However, they are giving up 2 yards per carry more than we are. That is a significant difference. And to make matters worse, they have been trending down in the last 2 weeks as opposed to us who seem to be well balanced throughout four games without any breakdowns.

 

[Decleater]

Great post Mandal, it is rare around here that somebody actually attempts to back up an opinion. I think that although you have accounted for alot, you have missed some variables in your analysis.

1. After Houstan fell behind it was difficult to run the ball, especially when your rushing for less than 3 yards a carry. If you compare this game to the Mia vs. Ind game, the Jets were better.

your numbers.
Houstan vs. Jets 12 attempts -32 yards
Miami vs. Colts 10 attempts -58 yards

2. New England's scheme dictates run only when the defence shows specific fronts. You can't just assume if NE ran the ball every play they would still average 6 ypc. They only ran it when the defence showed Brady something he liked.

3. The Jets played alot of coverage against the Saints, I doubt they will respect the Fins as much.

In the end it is just to early to tell how well the Jets defend the run. Look at the run stats of Miami's past 4 oponents, they are all terrible this year. Does that mean Miami's run offence isn't as good as we think? I don't know.

 

[Pinkboy]

The Jets defense has given up a whopping 280 rushing yards over their last 2 games... That is more than the dolphins defense has given up all season.


The Jets fans love to brag about their D, but their DVOA against the run entering the Saints game was 18th in the league... And I am sure it's worse now after the Saints ripped them apart on the ground.. They love to compare their D to last year's Ravens, but the Ravens had the #1 DVOA against the run last year.

You never saw teams run for almost 300 yards on the Ravens last year over the course of 2 weeks. I don't care who they were playing against, a passing team, running team, or whatever.

However, I do think with the addition of Pace, they will eventually improve in that department when he gets more practice time (as he hasn't practiced with the team in 5 weeks). How much will the improvement be ? we don't know.

Moreover, the Jets have also stunk trying to run the ball themselves on offense. Look how many Jets fans are complaining about their offensive line.. And Thomas Jones has totally sucked this year looking very tentative when he receives the ball (perhaps because of the shoddy O-line play).

http://www.jetnation.com/forums/showthread.php?t=81833

http://www.jetnation.com/forums/showthread.php?t=81870

RIght now the only thing the Jets have is a blitz happy pass defense.. That's it.

At least the Dolphins can do two things really well. And if Pasqualoni can get his head out of his rear and use Cam Wake and our pass rushers better with disguises, we will be able to do 3 things really well ( that is run the ball on O, stop the run on D, and being able to rush the passer really well).

What the F happened to the OLine?

this was supposed to be a strength this year and the OLine has been abysmal. woody was a turnstile today and there was very little room to run. what the hell happened to these guys?
Between Woody and D'Bustashaw, Sanchez is lucky his head is still attached.

Honestly, we have not run the ball effectively because our run blocking sucks. if these dudes don't pass block either, they are useless

The talent of Miami's young defensive linemen with Starks, Langford, Merling etc, and LB's Porter, Taylor and Cam Wake, should have a field day... Plus they can't run the ball on us. We have faced far better rushing attacks and stopped them cold.

And let me also add that one of the reasons the Jets can't run the ball nearly as well as they'd like, is because they don't have a TE who can run block.. So sometimes they don't even have a TE inline to help the O-line block. And when they do he usually gets creamed.

 

[catch22]

Great posts Greyboy and Mandal24!

Jets fans keep pointing to the fact that because last year the ravens stopped the wildcat and flustered Pennington that this year the jets will have no problems doing the exact same thing simply because Rex Ryan is their coach. Teams have had all offseason to prepare for the wildcat and oh my god... It still works and has worked on every team we have played so far., In fact it is working better than the end of last year and I have a feeling the jets wont be able to stop it like the ravens could last year.

Reasons that we do have a good fighting chance beat the Jets.
1. Our Run defense is superior to the jets. (mia 2nd vs jets 13th)
2. Brown and Williams have been unstoppable and brown is a full year past his ACL and is running like a beast
3. We have had a full off-season to tweak and perfect the wildcat.
4. Our O line is bigger and stronger than last year and our run offense is better (mia 1st vs jets 9th)
5. We are also running better than jets out of our base offense!
6. We have a qb now who has a stronger arm - (it remains to be seen if he is an upgrade over penny but If the jets start stacking the line I think Henne might get some deep opportunity's.)
7. Chad Henne does not have to outplay Sanchez to win this game. We are better at rushing, better at defending the rush, Best in the league in time of possession and have a young and promising secondary. Henne simply has to play smart and keep converting 3rd downs and help the team to get the ball in the end zone.
8. We now have tape of the jets loss and Sanchez's weakness's and will be able to put together a better game plan to exploit those weakness.
9. For the most part when the jets have been able to run on the other team they have won. We have not allowed any team to run on us.
10. Our pass rush has been better than the jets even without as much blitzing. (mia 11 sacks vs jets 4)

Our two glaring issues that we must fix are
1. The play of our safety's defending the middle of the field.
2. Our passing offense is ranked 31st in the NFL *pretty much all our hopes lie on the possibility that Chad Henne will be an upgrade and so far things are looking cautiously optimistic. (no disrespect to Pennington but we need to be a threat to pass to win constantly with the schedule we have this year)

The jets only major advantages are
1. QB has had more time to work with receivers and should have better chemistry
2. Jets are great against the pass.

 

[BigNastyDB13]

Great post Mandal, it is rare around here that somebody actually attempts to back up an opinion. I think that although you have accounted for alot, you have missed some variables in your analysis.

1. After Houstan fell behind it was difficult to run the ball, especially when your rushing for less than 3 yards a carry. If you compare this game to the Mia vs. Ind game, the Jets were better.


2. New England's scheme dictates run only when the defence shows specific fronts. You can't just assume if NE ran the ball every play they would still average 6 ypc. They only ran it when the defence showed Brady something he liked.

3. The Jets played alot of coverage against the Saints, I doubt they will respect the Fins as much.

In the end it is just to early to tell how well the Jets defend the run. Look at the run stats of Miami's past 4 oponents, they are all terrible this year. Does that mean Miami's run offence isn't as good as we think? I don't know.

The Colts run defenSe has been outstanding outside of the Fins game.

 

[jetsattack]

Great posts Greyboy and Mandal24!

Jets fans keep pointing to the fact that because last year the ravens stopped the wildcat and flustered Pennington that this year the jets will have no problems doing the exact same thing simply because Rex Ryan is their coach. Teams have had all offseason to prepare for the wildcat and oh my god... It still works and has worked on every team we have played so far., In fact it is working better than the end of last year and I have a feeling the jets wont be able to stop it like the ravens could last year.

Reasons that we do have a good fighting chance beat the Jets.
1. Our Run defense is superior to the jets. (mia 2nd vs jets 13th)
2. Brown and Williams have been unstoppable and brown is a full year past his ACL and is running like a beast
3. We have had a full off-season to tweak and perfect the wildcat.
4. Our O line is bigger and stronger than last year and our run offense is better (mia 1st vs jets 9th)
5. We are also running better than jets out of our base offense!
6. We have a qb now who has a stronger arm - (it remains to be seen if he is an upgrade over penny but If the jets start stacking the line I think Henne might get some deep opportunity's.)
7. Chad Henne does not have to outplay Sanchez to win this game. We are better at rushing, better at defending the rush, Best in the league in time of possession and have a young and promising secondary. Henne simply has to play smart and keep converting 3rd downs and help the team to get the ball in the end zone.
8. We now have tape of the jets loss and Sanchez's weakness's and will be able to put together a better game plan to exploit your weakness.
9. For the most part when the jets have been able to run on the other team they have won. We have not allowed any team to run on us.
10. Our pass rush has been better than the jets even without as much blitzing. (mia 11 sacks vs jets 4)

Our two glaring issues that we must fix are
1. The play of our safety's defending the middle of the field.
2. Our passing offense is ranked 31st in the NFL *pretty much all our hopes lie on the possibility that Chad Henne will be an upgrade and so far things are looking cautiously optimistic. (no disrespect to Pennington but we need to be a threat to pass to win constantly with the schedule we have this year)

The jets only major advantages are
1. QB has had more time to work with receivers and should have better chemistry
2. Jets are great against the pass.

pass rush isn't only about how many sacks you get. our pass rush is better than yours.....i can't wait for monday to see you clowns crying about how you suck again.

 

[nyjunc]

Inside the numbers:
-The Jets are ranked 13th against the run.
-The Jets are giving up 100 yards rushing per game.
-The Jets have played last years surprise in Steve Slaton, the different running styles of the Pats, the speed and strength of Chris Johnson and Lendale White, and the unknown Pierre Thomas and shifty Reggie Bush.
-Chris Johnson has the longest run against them with a 30 yard gain.

@Houston
-only ran the ball 12 times, with Steve Slaton running 9 times for 17 yards. Chris Brown added 15 yards on 3 carries. Kubiak wants to keep his job, you cant give one of last years best backs the ball 9 times! 12 carries to one team would make any rush defense look good.

New England
-Ran the ball 19 times with 4 different backs for a total of 81 yards. Fred Taylor ran 8 times for 46 yards, almost 6 yards a carry. Brady threw 47 times in this game! For Belichek being such a good coach, the gameplan was not smart.

Titans
-Finally a true test for the Jets, a smashmouth Titans team. Chris Johnson ran 22 times for 97 yards. Lendale White ran 7 times for 27 times and a TD.
So an 0-3 Titans team who I feel we compare similarly to, were able to play well by sticking to its identity and pounding the rock. 29 carries total for 124 yards. Anybody who watched that game would know Titans should have won that game if it weren't for rookie CB Ryan Mouton fumbling TWICE on a kick and punt return. That's two gifts near or in the redzone for the Jets.

Saints
-Ran the ball 29 times for 148 yards and a TD. Pierre Thomas had 86 of those yards and the shifty Bush added 37 yards on only 6 carries.

79 carries total for 385 yards and 2 TDs through 4 games for an average of
4.9 yards a carry and 1 rushing TD per game. (I did not add in QB rushes as sometimes that can skew numbers)

With all that said, I dont feel that teams really ran enough on the Jets. Its no secret Ryan will blitz all day. Its important to get a run game going to negate the blitzes. We have the ability to do that. A pass first team like the Saints plays into the hands of the Jets. A run first team like the Titans is exactly how you play against the Jets.


Just to be things into perspective, here are the quick rushing numbers against the Fins.

Atlanta- 26 rushes for 72 yards
Indianapolis- 10 rushes for 58 yards and 1 TD
San Diego- 27 rushes for 64 yards
Buffalo- 17 rushes for 46 yards

Longest run against us was in Week 2 against the Colts for a whopping 15 yards by Donald Brown.

80 carries against us for 240 yards and 1 rushing TD (although in fairness, Rivers did run one in on us) for an average of 3 yards a carry.

Jet fans like to talk about how their defense is "light years" ahead of ours. I will definitely give props where it is do and their pass defense is as good as it gets, no doubt about it. However, they are giving up 2 yards per carry more than we are. That is a significant difference. And to make matters worse, they have been trending down in the last 2 weeks as opposed to us who seem to be well balanced throughout four games without any breakdowns.

NINE PPG allowed by our D, you can give me any other meaningles #s you want. You guys gave up 27 pts in 15 mins against Indy. Your D is nowhere near as good as ours through 4 weeks.

 

[mandal24]

NINE PPG allowed by our D, you can give me any other meaningles #s you want. You guys gave up 27 pts in 15 mins against Indy. Your D is nowhere near as good as ours through 4 weeks.

A little insecure are we? Colts offense is "light years" ahead of Jets. Meaningless #1s? Are you nuts? Being first out of 32 teams is outstanding and definitely meaningful.. dotn get all pissy bc of your overhyped Oline and crappy RB that is pulling a Shaun Alexander and ready to retire.

 

[sharp]

#1 Jets didnt play INDY yet so keep that one quiet until you play them

#2 From D'brickwall to D'buttshaw LOL

 

[nyjunc]

A little insecure are we? Colts offense is "light years" ahead of Jets. Meaningless #1s? Are you nuts? Being first out of 32 teams is outstanding and definitely meaningful.. dotn get all pissy bc of your overhyped Oline and crappy RB that is pulling a Shaun Alexander and ready to retire.

I'm very secure, I know we have the best D in the NFL through 4 games. You guys are being silly trying to nitpick on every little stat. it's amazing you guys are #1 in rush D and rush O, isn't it? or is the more important # 1-3?

 

[haoleboy]

Our D line is going to eat their O line alive. Dirty goes down 4 times.

 

[KlausC]

The Dolphins #1 rush O doesn't tell the whole story either. 3 of your 4 opponents are ranked 25th or worse against the run. The best run D you faced was the Colts at #16 and they never adjusted to the wildcat or put more than 7 in the box.

OF COURSE - part of those rankings is because of the games against Miami, but the stats are obviously skewed at this point.

The fins have a good rushing attack, but I don't think it's the #1 in the league.

Now onto the Jets D. Rex tailors his game plan for the opponent. The Texans, Patriots, and Saints - you're biggest fear is the big play in the pass game so that's what you take away. The Jets were successful in doing that.

Against the Titans, your biggest fear is obviously Chris Johnson. They didn't stop him, but they contained him fairly well. CJ is a much different back than Ronnie or Rickey and obviously has much more speed. Chris Collins is much better than Henne at this point, and so are his receivers much better than the Fins receivers.

Rex will sell out to stop your run game. The Jets have a bigger, stronger and more aggressive front seven than you've faced. Throw in the fact that Rex's scheme killed the wildcat last year. I know you have more wildcat this year so we'll see if he still has the kryptonite for it.

If you can still run when we're selling out to stop it, you will win. I don't think you will though.

 

[ArmyFin7]

Amazing it took about a million posts for common sense to show up....

 

[nyjunc]

Amazing it took about a million posts for common sense to show up....

This has been written for days now.

 

[j-off-her-doll]

The Dolphins #1 rush O doesn't tell the whole story either. 3 of your 4 opponents are ranked 25th or worse against the run. The best run D you faced was the Colts at #16 and they never adjusted to the wildcat or put more than 7 in the box.

OF COURSE - part of those rankings is because of the games against Miami, but the stats are obviously skewed at this point.

The fins have a good rushing attack, but I don't think it's the #1 in the league.

If you remove the Miami game, the Colts are allowing under 60 yards rushing per game - much better than the Jets (even if you remove the Jets worst outing against the run).