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[ROSCO P.C. JR]

on behalf of all the dolphin fans i must say that jay feidler did bring some uniuqe qualities to the games. such as using the ability to take those ears and fly to guam. jay is proablly lost though without the expert toodleledge of big dave wannstedt.

personally i dont hate jay even though i just made fun of the guy but i will make fun of madison and minor. look jay does a great job of scrambling in and out of the pocket and he throws the short passes just as well if not better then feeley.

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[SMadison29]

Jay may be back after the bye.

Really? Hmm, I thought he was out for the year too.

 

[McDuffie81]

I watched jay play down there for years and even though we won most of the time I hated playig him b/c although not pretty he made plays and won alot of games as your starting QB.

Biggest BULLCRAP statement ive ever read. You also envied us because we had Jay right???

 

[Phin-o-rama]

Biggest BULLCRAP statement ive ever read. You also envied us because we had Jay right???

well jay is a lot better quarterback than Pennington is.

 

[nyjunc]

Biggest BULLCRAP statement ive ever read. You also envied us because we had Jay right???

You guys have no clue how good you had it but a few mroe weeks of Gus and it may start to sink in.

 

[Nappy Roots]

i was always a jay fiedler fan. he was a good QB until he broke his thumb in that denver game, never been able to throw the ball the same.

 

[PressCoverage]

You guys have no clue how good you had it but a few mroe weeks of Gus and it may start to sink in.

You're the one who lacks a clue... You suggest it was all the Miami defense that failed in the clutch all those years... When, in fact, it was almost undebiably the play of the quarterback position that cost us win after win in December and January.... Both late Marino and Fiedler. ... Please don't make me document it once again... If you believe Fiedler was adequate and our defense inadequate in explaining Miami's failures the past five years, your logic baffles us. ... If we have a slightly above average quarterback from 2000 to 2004, complimented with that Pro Bowl defense, we slaughter opponents most weeks, rather than eeking out 12-9 victories behind "gutsy" Fiedler ... We also likely get a bye week, even...

But, i'm sure you'll come back with some slanted blanket theory based on one or two instances when the Miami defense failed on some obscure 3rd and 15...

Good luck with Fiedler... And I pray to God he starts for you when you come to Miami... :D

 

[nyjunc]

You're the one who lacks a clue... You suggest it was all the Miami defense that failed in the clutch all those years... When, in fact, it was almost undebiably the play of the quarterback position that cost us win after win in December and January.... Both late Marino and Fiedler. ... Please don't make me document it once again... If you believe Fiedler was adequate and our defense inadequate in explaining Miami's failures the past five years, your logic baffles us. ... If we have a slightly above average quarterback from 2000 to 2004, complimented with that Pro Bowl defense, we slaughter opponents most weeks, rather than eeking out 12-9 victories behind "gutsy" Fiedler ... We also likely get a bye week, even...

But, i'm sure you'll come back with some slanted blanket theory based on one or two instances when the Miami defense failed on some obscure 3rd and 15...

Good luck with Fiedler... And I pray to God he starts for you when you come to Miami... :D

All I will say is 164, that is the # of points your "great" D allowed in your last 5 playoff losses. That's 33 a game! was your QB play great? No but your QBs never had a chance b/c you were out of games by the end of the 1st half thanks to your D.

-Down 14-0 after 1, 21-3 at the Half against Den in 1998.
-Down 24-0 after 1 at jax in '99
-Down 10-0 after 1, 20-0 at the half at oak in '00.

yeah that's all on the O

 

[nyjunc]

If we have a slightly above average quarterback from 2000 to 2004, complimented with that Pro Bowl defense, we slaughter opponents most weeks, rather than eeking out 12-9 victories behind "gutsy" Fiedler

I guess that's why your 2002 season was ruined after Fiedler went down w/ an injury.

 

[njfinfan]

I Know Feeley is gone and there is no way Gus is better than Jay. I watched jay play down there for years and even though we won most of the time I hated playig him b/c although not pretty he made plays and won alot of games as your starting QB.

Well, since Jay is used to throwing to your team :D , of course you think he's better than Gus.

 

[PressCoverage]

All I will say is 164, that is the # of points your "great" D allowed in your last 5 playoff losses. That's 33 a game! was your QB play great? No but your QBs never had a chance b/c you were out of games by the end of the 1st half thanks to your D.

-Down 14-0 after 1, 21-3 at the Half against Den in 1998.
-Down 24-0 after 1 at jax in '99
-Down 10-0 after 1, 20-0 at the half at oak in '00.

yeah that's all on the O

correct, genius... however, a closer look (if you're capable) reveals this:

1) We're down 14-0 to Denver after winning a war in Miami against Buffalo in the wild card round the week before... a game won by the defense.... Miami then travels to the best team in the NFL on a short week, to Mile High... we play the Denver game without Jason Taylor and Tim Bowens, and with Darryl Gardener on a bad leg... (take Dent, Perry and Hampton away from the Bears, and tell me how they do in 1985)

http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/football/nfl/1998/playoffs/news/1999/01/09/dolphins_defense/index.html

2) Down 24-0 to Jax., playing the early game on a Saturday, a week after playing the late game on Sunday all the way out in Seattle, ... after winning another war down to the wire over the Seahawks, largely credited to the defense, we go into Jacksonville with three days of practice... not a good showing by an admittedly tired defense, but not a trend...

3) Down 10-0 to Oakland, after a brutal 5-quarter OT win over Indy the week before in the wildcard round... again, largely won by the DEFENSE and Lamar Smith.... It was FIEDLER who threw a pick-six on the first possession of the game at Oakland, and three for the game... It was an exhausted Smith who ran for four yards and fumbled twice... Not the defense which got them into the playoffs in the first place allowing the fewest points in the league...

Funny that you didn't mention Fiedler's play in a low-scoring playoff loss to Baltimore in 2001, or his pick-6 and fumble-itis fest in 2002 or 2003 that was the biggest contributer to missing the playoffs...

The point is, if we have even slightly better quarterback play, we get a bye week in 2000, we destroy Baltimore in 2001, and we make the playoffs in both 2002 and 2003... Heaping all the blame on Miami's defense all those years is ridiculous...

 

[PressCoverage]

I guess that's why your 2002 season was ruined after Fiedler went down w/ an injury.

that's assuming Fiedler would have made much of a difference in any of those three games, which is debatable... if he wins one of those games that your Jets castoff fumbled his way through, sure, we make the playoffs... but again as a wildcard, again with Fiedler lost in the headlights... Jay's numbers SUCKED in 2002 as well...

 

[McDuffie81]

You guys have no clue how good you had it but a few mroe weeks of Gus and it may start to sink in.

You my friend must admit to yourself that you have the worst QB situation in the entire NFL.....WORST! Id rather have 3 Gus' backing up each other then Vinny,Fiedler Pennington and a Bollinger who was so horrid they brought a retired, out of a job, has-been back to "save" the season. Why is Bollinger on your squad anyway?

 

[nyjunc]

correct, genius... however, a closer look (if you're capable) reveals this:

1) We're down 14-0 to Denver after winning a war in Miami against Buffalo in the wild card round the week before... a game won by the defense.... Miami then travels to the best team in the NFL on a short week, to Mile High... we play the Denver game without Jason Taylor and Tim Bowens, and with Darryl Gardener on a bad leg... (take Dent, Perry and Hampton away from the Bears, and tell me how they do in 1985)

http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/football/nfl/1998/playoffs/news/1999/01/09/dolphins_defense/index.html

2) Down 24-0 to Jax., playing the early game on a Saturday, a week after playing the late game on Sunday all the way out in Seattle, ... after winning another war down to the wire over the Seahawks, largely credited to the defense, we go into Jacksonville with three days of practice... not a good showing by an admittedly tired defense, but not a trend...

3) Down 10-0 to Oakland, after a brutal 5-quarter OT win over Indy the week before in the wildcard round... again, largely won by the DEFENSE and Lamar Smith.... It was FIEDLER who threw a pick-six on the first possession of the game at Oakland, and three for the game... It was an exhausted Smith who ran for four yards and fumbled twice... Not the defense which got them into the playoffs in the first place allowing the fewest points in the league...

Funny that you didn't mention Fiedler's play in a low-scoring playoff loss to Baltimore in 2001, or his pick-6 and fumble-itis fest in 2002 or 2003 that was the biggest contributer to missing the playoffs...

The point is, if we have even slightly better quarterback play, we get a bye week in 2000, we destroy Baltimore in 2001, and we make the playoffs in both 2002 and 2003... Heaping all the blame on Miami's defense all those years is ridiculous...

All I see are excuses from you about your defense and I see some mistakes. you are complainging about a short week travelling to Denver in 1998 well you had a FULL week. You played Buffalo AT HOME on Saturday then faced Denver on saturday a week later. As a matter of fact you had the early Sat game against Buf and the late Sat game against Den. By the way jason taylor does not have a postseason sack so was losing him that big of deal? In '98 we played Den in a similar situation playing jax on a sunday at home then at Den the next sunday. Our D gave up 23 and our O and STs had SIX TURNOVERS. Last year we played AT SD on a Sat Night then at PIT on a Sat afternoon and we held a 15-1 in check and should have won if not for a missed FG. Our O w/ an injured Chad was as bad or worse than any O you guys had from '98-'01. You are just making excuses.

As for jax, again I see more excuses. So what you played a short week? You also had a short trip fro Miami to jax.

At oak yeah jay did tjhrow the pick to Tory james to start things for Oak BUT did that mean the D had to quit?

Funny that you didn't mention Fiedler's play in a low-scoring playoff loss to Baltimore in 2001, or his pick-6 and fumble-itis fest in 2002 or 2003 that was the biggest contributer to missing the playoffs...

I didn't mention Bal b/c as bad as that loss was it wasn't quite as humiliating as the others and I don't blame the D for that but Bal did have a decent D themselves, didn't they?. In '02 jay was rushed back to try to save your season and it was apparent he was not ready so to me he gets a pass.

The point is, if we have even slightly better quarterback play, we get a bye week in 2000, we destroy Baltimore in 2001, and we make the playoffs in both 2002 and 2003... Heaping all the blame on Miami's defense all those years is ridiculous...

If you had slightly getter QB play you:

-get a bye in '00? You weren't even supposed to be a playoff team that year, you lost your coach and HOF QB and had NO offensive talent around jay. he led you to 6 of 9 wins down the stretch(1 of the losses against the Jets he only played 1 play) and an AFC East Title. Your only losses in the last month were to playoff teams TB & Indy and you beat Indy in the postseason.

-Destroy Baltimore? yeah b/c great offenses were just steamrolling that awful Bal D :D The Bal D is an example of a REAL big time D, they had O's as bad or WORSE than Miami's yet they won a SB and were able to win in spite of it's O which Miami could not do and Miami's D couldn't even keep them competitive in the playoffs.

-You probably make the playoffs in '02 if jay never gets hurt then again if we don't have all of our early season injuries we would have easily won 11 or 12 games so who knows but we probably get a WC from our Div w/o the injuries.


The bottom line is the D never showed up, they gave opponents big leads early and never allowed your O a chance. Big time D's keep the opponents off the scoreboard and keep struggling O's in it. The Ravens had no O and they won a SB, last year we had no O and our D kept us in the SD game and Pitt games holding 2 good O's down on the road and creating TOs to keep us in it and give us a chance. In '01 NE didn't have a juggernaut O, they won the AFC Title Game and SB w/ great D and STs which is something Miami's supposed great Ds were not able to do during this run of playoff appearances.

 

[nyjunc]

You my friend must admit to yourself that you have the worst QB situation in the entire NFL.....WORST! Id rather have 3 Gus' backing up each other then Vinny,Fiedler Pennington and a Bollinger who was so horrid they brought a retired, out of a job, has-been back to "save" the season. Why is Bollinger on your squad anyway?

Our QB situation is not good, how can you expect it to be when yuo lose your top 2 QBs? But we have been competitive every week no matter who the QB(except Week 1) was and we did beat TB w/ Vinny while you guys were blown out w/ your starter.