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I know that its been only a short ten years, but do you think there is more excitement now then when JJ took over in 1996? When JJ took over for coach Shula, I was very excited about what JJ could bring to the Dolphins and I believed that he would lead us to a Super Bowl or two. After he took care of a team that was in salary cap hell, he did give us a very good defense to cheer for. I'am not here to talk about his faults or what he failed to do, but for me, the excitement of what might be in the near future is back. I was very excited when the Dolphins hired JJ and for me, the excitement now is the same for Nick Saban. Although I believe that the Dolphins are better off now (salary cap), then when JJ took over, I'am looking forword to a Super Bowl run here in the near future. Does anybody think the excitement is the same now as it was back in 1996? Again, I'am not talking about year 3-5, but the begining of the regime.
 
Well I was only 6 years old so Ill fast forward a little to the 99 season when I became really involved and understood

I always heard Jimmy worked the team to hard in practice and so on and that it really wore them down, I have never heard that said about saban

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Shula was leaving...compared to Dave leaving

I would think More excitment for Saban just because of that

Then again like I said I was only 6
 
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More excitement now IMO. Johnson always had a flash-in-the-pan feel to me in terms of his commitment to the Dolphins, and I think he took the job primarily to prove that not just "anyone could coach the Cowboys to the Super Bowl" (Jerry Jones's words). If the Cowboys fell apart and Johnson made the Dolphins a winner, Jones would be wrong. Once that didn't happen, I think JJ felt like his yacht in the Keys and his 10 hours a week for FOX were the better choice.

By contrast, Saban looks like he's here to build a long-term winner.
 
Definitely JJ. When JJ was hired most people thought he's win SBs w/in a few years. I know I hated when you got him but w/ Saban it's similar but he's more of an unknown b/c he doesn't have NFL HC experience except for last year. You also still had marino playing at a relatively high level, definitely when JJ took over.
 
Nick. JJ wouldn't let us in go to "the candy store". Running on 3rd and 20 ruined it for me.
 
Scrap said:
Nick. JJ wouldn't let us in go to "the candy store". Running on 3rd and 20 ruined it for me.
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Actually running on 3rd and 20 is not all that bad. Most teams do it now anyway. It just adds hidden yardage to the punt.
 
steveincolorado said:
Actually running on 3rd and 20 is not all that bad. Most teams do it now anyway. It just adds hidden yardage to the punt.
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He was just too consistent with doing it, and we really had no one to run it any.
 
JJ had great players in Dallas who stayed together as a team for a long time.....Aikman, Michael Irvin, Emmitt Smith, etc., and I think he made the most of them. I never thought JJ had the complete team here and he did not seem to make the best player decisions here. I feel Saban is a better coach and better able to get the most of players. But a Coach is ultimately as good as the players he has.
 
Roman529 said:
JJ had great players in Dallas who stayed together as a team for a long time.....Aikman, Michael Irvin, Emmitt Smith, etc., and I think he made the most of them. I never thought JJ had the complete team here and he did not seem to make the best player decisions here. I feel Saban is a better coach and better able to get the most of players. But a Coach is ultimately as good as the players he has.
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JJ turned the herschel walker deal into a dynasty, he never had that luxury in Miami and his failure as a GM cost him in Miami. He did have some great picks but overall he did a poor job as GM and that ultimately cost him any chance to build a real contender.
 
Roman529 said:
JJ had great players in Dallas who stayed together as a team for a long time.....Aikman, Michael Irvin, Emmitt Smith, etc., and I think he made the most of them. I never thought JJ had the complete team here and he did not seem to make the best player decisions here. I feel Saban is a better coach and better able to get the most of players. But a Coach is ultimately as good as the players he has.
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What JJ had in Dallas was the block buster trade of H. Walker and a billion draft picks, that he never got here. He was able to put a nucleus together in Dallas and they knew together. With Marino already here, he couldn't get the RB to compliment him. So he put the D together first, just didn't finish the O.
 
To amswer your original question....yes I think the excitement is as great with Saban coming as when Jimmy came here. I am a big JJ fan and felt he would take us to the SB just like Saban will. Both these coaches are really not that different although Saban is a more an X and O's guy.
 
nyjunc said:
JJ turned the herschel walker deal into a dynasty, he never had that luxury in Miami and his failure as a GM cost him in Miami. He did have some great picks but overall he did a poor job as GM and that ultimately cost him any chance to build a real contender.
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Working on his own, Jimmy Johnson was not that great. He brought flare and excitement...a hope that the Dolphins were going to quickly rebound and return to their glory days however, the one element that was missing for Jommy Johnson's success was Jerry Jones. I don't like Jerry Jones, never have, never will, but I have to call it like I see it. Jimmy's success was tied to Jerry...Jerry's success was tied to Jimmy. Neither reached the glory days after they parted. Jimmy was a little above average at best in Miami and Dallas has only been average since Jimmy left.

At least St. Nick didn't come in to Miami demanding to be GM and Head Coach. He knows his role...coaching. A head coach that also wants total control of personnel management is just asking for trouble. It's too much to handle. On the same token a GM has to know his role as well and manage personnel, bot try and be a coach.

That's why Jimmy failed his second time around...that's why Jerry is still failing
 
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