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John Beck getting his chance

In his defense, he was thrown into the wolves. I don't want to relive that season.
 
In before the expected avalanche of abusive comments. He failed here but I'm still rooting for him to succeed - although he's got a lot of work to overcome the obvious mental obstacles.
 
Its great news for the Redskins. If they start John Beck, they are guaranteed to have a chance to draft Andrew Luck next year.
 
mrhankey81701 said:
Its great news for the Redskins. If they start John Beck, they are guaranteed to have a chance to draft Andrew Luck next year.
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Gotta wonder if we'd be making the same jokes about Kevin Kolb right now if Philly and Cam flipped picks and Beck was brought along behind McNabb in Andy's system. They were taken a few slots apart, both come from spread offenses and put up impressive college numbers. Would Beck's name be foolishly bandied about as trade bait for a 1st round pick and/or more ?? We monkeyed with his delivery, we put him on the field with one of the worst performing and dysfunctional teams over the last decade... I defy anyone to convince me that the flavor of the month Kolb would have fared any better.
 
Vaark said:
Gotta wonder if we'd be making the same jokes about Kevin Kolb right now if Philly and Cam flipped picks and Beck was brought along behind McNabb in Andy's system. They were taken a few slots apart, both come from spread offenses and put up impressive college numbers. Would Beck's name be foolishly bandied about as trade bait for a 1st round pick and/or more ?? We monkeyed with his delivery, we put him on the field with one of the worst performing and dysfunctional teams over the last decade... I defy anyone to convince me that the flavor of the month Kolb would have fared any better.
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All that aside, Beck was 4-5 years older than every other QB in the draft. He should never have been drafted that high. Weinke was also an older QB who had great numbers in college, and he didn't go until the 4th round I believe. I still can't believe we blew a second rounder on a QB that was 3-4 years away from being 30. Ridiculous...
 
Shanny had Beck rated as his number 1 qb coming out in 2007, which is not saying much since it was filled with horrible qb's
 
The 06-07 draft classes are probably among the top 5 in worst drafts ever for our franchise. We had some ****ty ones with Pornstache too, but the last Saban/first Cameron draft were especially awful.
 
John Beck was a 25 year old man playing against 18 and 19 year old college kids, that's a tremendous advantage. Hell, he was a 22 year old freshman.

Beck only faced 3 BCS opponents his Senior season, and only 2 of them were even ranked. He threw a pedestrian 4 TD's and 4 INT's versus these 2 ranked teams. Half of his 8 total interceptions came in 2 games against ranked teams. The rest of his stat padding came against awful, just awful defenses.

Personally, I never found his stat padding against bad MWC defenses all that significant. The truth is, John Beck was a 5th round prospect who's stock experienced a meteoric rise following BYU's "upset" win over Oregon in the Las Vegas Bowl. Being squeaky clean and a high character individual endeared him to several self proclaimed quarterback "gurus" in the NFL.

Kolb was virtually the same type quarterback prospect John Beck was coming out of college in my opinion, except Kolb wasn't 25 years old padding stats against teenagers in college. There's no telling how bad Kolb would've been had he experienced a baptism by fire the same way Beck did.

However, it's still only an excuse. Young quarterbacks are thrown in from day 1 every year in the NFL on bad teams and either he'll sink or he'll swim. I believe a quarterback worth his salt will ALWAYS come out on top in the end, regardless of circumstance.

Miami wasn't one of the worst performing and dysfunctional teams over the past decade in spite of John Beck, it was because of John Beck. His delivery had nothing to do with not being able to hold on to the football and throwing backwards passes for 6 points to the opponent.

You typically expect any rookie quarterback to struggle and play bad in stretches as an NFL rookie while he's getting acclimated to the speed of the NFL game, but there's a difference between playing bad, and being so rattled you can hardly even get a single offensive play off the ground due to the fact that you're a walking, talking blooper highlight reel.

The speed of the game was too much for John Beck... didn't matter if he was playing for a 1-15 Dolphins squad, or the 1984 San Francisco 49ers.

He gets rattled way too easy to be effective at this level.

When you're rattled, that's the time a quarterback has to try to slow things down in his own mind and focus on executing the basics. Beck failed miserably at that.

A young quarterback turning the ball over because of aggressive mistakes as he's learning is one thing (see Peyton Manning's rookie record for interceptions)... but turning the ball over because you're scared, confused, uncoordinated, and flat out overmatched is an entirely different set of circumstances. You have to be able to tell the difference, especially when it's your job to be able to discern the difference.

If it was going to take John Beck til the age of 30 before he could get himself steady enough to handle the snap from center, it's hard to convince yourself that you have that much time in a league that stands for NotForLong...
 
TedSlimmJr said:
John Beck was a 25 year old man playing against 18 and 19 year old college kids, that's a tremendous advantage. Hell, he was a 22 year old freshman.

Beck only faced 3 BCS opponents his Senior season, and only 2 of them were even ranked. He threw a pedestrian 4 TD's and 4 INT's versus these 2 ranked teams. Half of his 8 total interceptions came in 2 games against ranked teams. The rest of his stat padding came against awful, just awful defenses.

Personally, I never found his stat padding against bad MWC defenses all that significant. The truth is, John Beck was a 5th round prospect who's stock experienced a meteoric rise following BYU's "upset" win over Oregon in the Las Vegas Bowl. Being squeaky clean and a high character individual endeared him to several self proclaimed quarterback "gurus" in the NFL.

Kolb was virtually the same type quarterback prospect John Beck was coming out of college in my opinion, except Kolb wasn't 25 years old padding stats against teenagers in college. There's no telling how bad Kolb would've been had he experienced a baptism by fire the same way Beck did.

However, it's still only an excuse. Young quarterbacks are thrown in from day 1 every year in the NFL on bad teams and either he'll sink or he'll swim. I believe a quarterback worth his salt will ALWAYS come out on top in the end, regardless of circumstance.

Miami wasn't one of the worst performing and dysfunctional teams over the past decade in spite of John Beck, it was because of John Beck. His delivery had nothing to do with not being able to hold on to the football and throwing backwards passes for 6 points to the opponent.

You typically expect any rookie quarterback to struggle and play bad in stretches as an NFL rookie while he's getting acclimated to the speed of the NFL game, but there's a difference between playing bad, and being so rattled you can hardly even get a single offensive play off the ground due to the fact that you're a walking, talking blooper highlight reel.

The speed of the game was too much for John Beck... didn't matter if he was playing for a 1-15 Dolphins squad, or the 1984 San Francisco 49ers.

He gets rattled way too easy to be effective at this level.

When you're rattled, that's the time a quarterback has to try to slow things down in his own mind and focus on executing the basics. Beck failed miserably at that.

A young quarterback turning the ball over because of aggressive mistakes as he's learning is one thing (see Peyton Manning's rookie record for interceptions)... but turning the ball over because you're scared, confused, uncoordinated, and flat out overmatched is an entirely different set of circumstances. You have to be able to tell the difference, especially when it's your job to be able to discern the difference.

If it was going to take John Beck til the age of 30 before he could get himself steady enough to handle the snap from center, it's hard to convince yourself that you have that much time in a league that stands for NotForLong...
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Awesome post.
 
TedSlimmJr said:
John Beck was a 25 year old man playing against 18 and 19 year old college kids, that's a tremendous advantage. Hell, he was a 22 year old freshman.

Beck only faced 3 BCS opponents his Senior season, and only 2 of them were even ranked. He threw a pedestrian 4 TD's and 4 INT's versus these 2 ranked teams. Half of his 8 total interceptions came in 2 games against ranked teams. The rest of his stat padding came against awful, just awful defenses.

Personally, I never found his stat padding against bad MWC defenses all that significant. The truth is, John Beck was a 5th round prospect who's stock experienced a meteoric rise following BYU's "upset" win over Oregon in the Las Vegas Bowl. Being squeaky clean and a high character individual endeared him to several self proclaimed quarterback "gurus" in the NFL.

Kolb was virtually the same type quarterback prospect John Beck was coming out of college in my opinion, except Kolb wasn't 25 years old padding stats against teenagers in college. There's no telling how bad Kolb would've been had he experienced a baptism by fire the same way Beck did.

However, it's still only an excuse. Young quarterbacks are thrown in from day 1 every year in the NFL on bad teams and either he'll sink or he'll swim. I believe a quarterback worth his salt will ALWAYS come out on top in the end, regardless of circumstance.

Miami wasn't one of the worst performing and dysfunctional teams over the past decade in spite of John Beck, it was because of John Beck. His delivery had nothing to do with not being able to hold on to the football and throwing backwards passes for 6 points to the opponent.

You typically expect any rookie quarterback to struggle and play bad in stretches as an NFL rookie while he's getting acclimated to the speed of the NFL game, but there's a difference between playing bad, and being so rattled you can hardly even get a single offensive play off the ground due to the fact that you're a walking, talking blooper highlight reel.

The speed of the game was too much for John Beck... didn't matter if he was playing for a 1-15 Dolphins squad, or the 1984 San Francisco 49ers.

He gets rattled way too easy to be effective at this level.

When you're rattled, that's the time a quarterback has to try to slow things down in his own mind and focus on executing the basics. Beck failed miserably at that.

A young quarterback turning the ball over because of aggressive mistakes as he's learning is one thing (see Peyton Manning's rookie record for interceptions)... but turning the ball over because you're scared, confused, uncoordinated, and flat out overmatched is an entirely different set of circumstances. You have to be able to tell the difference, especially when it's your job to be able to discern the difference.

If it was going to take John Beck til the age of 30 before he could get himself steady enough to handle the snap from center, it's hard to convince yourself that you have that much time in a league that stands for NotForLong...
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We shall see Mr conductor if your Genius Write up about Beck is Right ...... I think he will prove you wrong... and i would be willing to bet you a 100 dollars that he will start, and be a much Better QB then you anticipated him turning into. Beck is worlds better then Henne or any QB we have on our roster.. Beck is in the right system and situation for him to succeed now. Go check out some of Becks interviews and you will see he is determined to prove all his critics wrong and you Mr Conductor will be one.
 
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