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Okay, so now that the emotional dust has settled, there are a few facts that have come to light about who John Beck really is. After reading everything out there, from scouting reports, to BYU fan opinions, to minicamp recaps, these seem to be the data points:

- his arm strength is not a problem; in fact, it is much better than advertised, definitely sufficient, and may be one of the strongest in the game (see Jay Cutler's combine numbers). I would summise that it is absolutely stronger than Tom Brady's, and who wouldn't want him for a QB? (BTW, Beck himself said the 50yd, on the knees, through the goal post story is bunk, so unless you have it on video, quit using that to support this argument. It only detracts from the actual facts, which support his arm stength just fine without tall tales).

- he is a "student of the game", and spends a lot of time breaking down film;
really good QBs work at it. They have the physical tools, but don't rely one that alone to prepare to compete every week. This is the biggest knock against C-pep, and this is one P Manning's biggest strengths. I guess it really applies to all players (read - Zach), but is an essential quality for a successful NFL QB.

- his accuracy is above average; well above average if you want to go by most of the scouting reports. They list this as one of his biggest assets. Most of what I see talks about short-medium range accuracy, but that is really where most elite QBs are measured. Long range passes are most often/should be opportunistic, which means you need to be able to gun it when they guy blows past the safety and is wide open. You generally are not "threading" a 40 yd pass in between opposing DBs.

- his decision making is solid; so, he studies and prepares, and he has the ability to put the ball where he aims... but does he choose to aim where the open man is? Sounds like he does. It sounds like he is the anti-AJ Feeley. Feeley used to not only make poor decisions and throw to the covered man, but he used to stare down his receivers, and that used to drive me nuts! From the reports I have read, Beck makes good decisions, quickly, AND he already has the maturity to look off DBs.

- he isn't very fast in the 40, but has the ability to be effective when escaping the pocket; Who cares what his 40 time is, if he can roll out and throw on the run? Sounds like he can do this, and he evidently has the speed to get to the end zone when it is open. He has some rushing TDs, so he is not a complete statue like Marino was at the end. This means opposing D's still have to account for him in close to the goal line. If his name is not Michael Vick, what more do you expect from a QB? (from the film I have watched, he reminds me of Elway when he runs, but maybe that's just me)

- he doesn't have ideal height, but he is a couple of inches taller than Drew Brees, and we ALL know how well Brees has done.

- he is a couple of years older than most rookie QBs; Does anyone really consider this a problem? I consider it an asset. He has a maturity and focus that comes from real responsibility in life. Let's assume he pans out, and doesn't get injured, he could play until he is 36? 37? 38? Figure 9-10 years? I'm okay with that.

Now for the biggest attribute - Efficiency!
This is really what it is all about, right? How "efficient" your QB is; putting pre-game planning, and accuracy, together with solid decisions on the field, to move your team into the end zone, right?
The most efficient QB playing today, IMO, is Tom Brady. Doesn't have a really big arm, but he knows who is open and gets the ball to them. He knows how to manage the clock and the game. When an opportunity to connect deep comes up, or to run the ball for yardage, he makes the most of it.
While I am not going to stand here (actually I am sitting) and tell you that I think John Beck is efficient, after one mini-camp, I WILL tell you that he appears to have all of the components that contribute to efficiency.
And what more could you ask for in a rookie QB? Only time will tell whether he develops into a John Elway or a John Navarre.

I can't wait to see him play! :)
 
Okay, so now that the emotional dust has settled, there are a few facts that have come to light about who John Beck really is. After reading everything out there, from scouting reports, to BYU fan opinions, to minicamp recaps, these seem to be the data points:

- his arm strength is not a problem; in fact, it is much better than advertised, definitely sufficient, and may be one of the strongest in the game (see Jay Cutler's combine numbers). I would summise that it is absolutely stronger than Tom Brady's, and who wouldn't want him for a QB? (BTW, Beck himself said the 50yd, on the knees, through the goal post story is bunk, so unless you have it on video, quit using that to support this argument. It only detracts from the actual facts, which support his arm stength just fine without tall tales).

- he is a "student of the game", and spends a lot of time breaking down film;
really good QBs work at it. They have the physical tools, but don't rely one that alone to prepare to compete every week. This is the biggest knock against C-pep, and this is one P Manning's biggest strengths. I guess it really applies to all players (read - Zach), but is an essential quality for a successful NFL QB.

- his accuracy is above average; well above average if you want to go by most of the scouting reports. They list this as one of his biggest assets. Most of what I see talks about short-medium range accuracy, but that is really where most elite QBs are measured. Long range passes are most often/should be opportunistic, which means you need to be able to gun it when they guy blows past the safety and is wide open. You generally are not "threading" a 40 yd pass in between opposing DBs.

- his decision making is solid; so, he studies and prepares, and he has the ability to put the ball where he aims... but does he choose to aim where the open man is? Sounds like he does. It sounds like he is the anti-AJ Feeley. Feeley used to not only make poor decisions and throw to the covered man, but he used to stare down his receivers, and that used to drive me nuts! From the reports I have read, Beck makes good decisions, quickly, AND he already has the maturity to look off DBs.

- he isn't very fast in the 40, but has the ability to be effective when escaping the pocket; Who cares what his 40 time is, if he can roll out and throw on the run? Sounds like he can do this, and he evidently has the speed to get to the end zone when it is open. He has some rushing TDs, so he is not a complete statue like Marino was at the end. This means opposing D's still have to account for him in close to the goal line. If his name is not Michael Vick, what more do you expect from a QB? (from the film I have watched, he reminds me of Elway when he runs, but maybe that's just me)

- he doesn't have ideal height, but he is a couple of inches taller than Drew Brees, and we ALL know how well Brees has done.

- he is a couple of years older than most rookie QBs; Does anyone really consider this a problem? I consider it an asset. He has a maturity and focus that comes from real responsibility in life. Let's assume he pans out, and doesn't get injured, he could play until he is 36? 37? 38? Figure 9-10 years? I'm okay with that.

Now for the biggest attribute - Efficiency!
This is really what it is all about, right? How "efficient" your QB is; putting pre-game planning, and accuracy, together with solid decisions on the field, to move your team into the end zone, right?
The most efficient QB playing today, IMO, is Tom Brady. Doesn't have a really big arm, but he knows who is open and gets the ball to them. He knows how to manage the clock and the game. When an opportunity to connect deep comes up, or to run the ball for yardage, he makes the most of it.
While I am not going to stand here (actually I am sitting) and tell you that I think John Beck is efficient, after one mini-camp, I WILL tell you that he appears to have all of the components that contribute to efficiency.
And what more could you ask for in a rookie QB? Only time will tell whether he develops into a John Elway or a John Navarre.

I can't wait to see him play! :)

Nice post. I always enjoy reading well thought out analysis of players. It's a refreshing change from the bickering and insults that are so prevalent on these boards.
 
Good comment. I like Beck but just to balance out all of your enthusiasm we should probably look a little closer at his negatives.
His height ~ While I realize that he is taller than Brees, height is still an issue. Brees is the exception not the rule. It should be noted that he also had a ball batted down at mini camp. Not to say that is a problem yet but it is something that he will have to be able to overcome at this level, Brees and a few others have been able to but not everyone can. It can also keep you from being able to make those quick one and two drop passes, which is important particularly if your offensive line is not playing well.
Arm strength/accuracy ~ He does have arm strenght which I think has been proven, if you don't believe it go to Youtube and look up the 70 yard hail-marry pass he threw at the end of a half. But the criticism that I have heard is not that he can't throw it hard, but that he loses some of his accuracy when he does. That doesn't mean just when throwing deep but when having to put a lot of zip on the ball, which obviously you have to do in the NFL. I don't know how much truth their is to this, I haven't witnessed it myself, but just something that I have heard come up a lot. Being accurate at the NFL level is a lot different than being accurate in college. In college the defense is not usually as fast, they don't break on the ball as well and they don't have the same instincts so you can sometimes get away with lobing a ball in short rage. But in the NFL almost all of them have to have a lot of zip on it or they will be intercepted or at the least knocked away. This is something that I will be interested to see, how accurate he is going to be when he has to put some mustard on it.
His age~ While I agree that it isn't a great concern, in theory atleast, it does mean that you may have two to three years less with him and it may put added preasure to get him on the field sooner. But then again, some QBs wear out in their mid 30's others can make it to 40. And I think playing age is a lot more critical than actual age, meaning that two to three years older isn't as big of a deal considering he wasn't playing football and taking the beating during those years.
I have also heard that the offense ran at BYU was far different than the offenses that you see in the NFL, which means that he may require a little more time to learn than say they guy we passed up on, which again brings back the issue of his age. But he also seems to be a smart guy who loves the game of football so he should be able to pick it up in time.
All in all I like Beck and I think he has potential to be a very good QB in this league.
 
Okay, so now that the emotional dust has settled, there are a few facts that have come to light about who John Beck really is. After reading everything out there, from scouting reports, to BYU fan opinions, to minicamp recaps, these seem to be the data points:

- his arm strength is not a problem; in fact, it is much better than advertised, definitely sufficient, and may be one of the strongest in the game (see Jay Cutler's combine numbers). I would summise that it is absolutely stronger than Tom Brady's, and who wouldn't want him for a QB? (BTW, Beck himself said the 50yd, on the knees, through the goal post story is bunk, so unless you have it on video, quit using that to support this argument. It only detracts from the actual facts, which support his arm stength just fine without tall tales).

- he is a "student of the game", and spends a lot of time breaking down film;
really good QBs work at it. They have the physical tools, but don't rely one that alone to prepare to compete every week. This is the biggest knock against C-pep, and this is one P Manning's biggest strengths. I guess it really applies to all players (read - Zach), but is an essential quality for a successful NFL QB.

- his accuracy is above average; well above average if you want to go by most of the scouting reports. They list this as one of his biggest assets. Most of what I see talks about short-medium range accuracy, but that is really where most elite QBs are measured. Long range passes are most often/should be opportunistic, which means you need to be able to gun it when they guy blows past the safety and is wide open. You generally are not "threading" a 40 yd pass in between opposing DBs.

- his decision making is solid; so, he studies and prepares, and he has the ability to put the ball where he aims... but does he choose to aim where the open man is? Sounds like he does. It sounds like he is the anti-AJ Feeley. Feeley used to not only make poor decisions and throw to the covered man, but he used to stare down his receivers, and that used to drive me nuts! From the reports I have read, Beck makes good decisions, quickly, AND he already has the maturity to look off DBs.

- he isn't very fast in the 40, but has the ability to be effective when escaping the pocket; Who cares what his 40 time is, if he can roll out and throw on the run? Sounds like he can do this, and he evidently has the speed to get to the end zone when it is open. He has some rushing TDs, so he is not a complete statue like Marino was at the end. This means opposing D's still have to account for him in close to the goal line. If his name is not Michael Vick, what more do you expect from a QB? (from the film I have watched, he reminds me of Elway when he runs, but maybe that's just me)

- he doesn't have ideal height, but he is a couple of inches taller than Drew Brees, and we ALL know how well Brees has done.

- he is a couple of years older than most rookie QBs; Does anyone really consider this a problem? I consider it an asset. He has a maturity and focus that comes from real responsibility in life. Let's assume he pans out, and doesn't get injured, he could play until he is 36? 37? 38? Figure 9-10 years? I'm okay with that.

Now for the biggest attribute - Efficiency!
This is really what it is all about, right? How "efficient" your QB is; putting pre-game planning, and accuracy, together with solid decisions on the field, to move your team into the end zone, right?
The most efficient QB playing today, IMO, is Tom Brady. Doesn't have a really big arm, but he knows who is open and gets the ball to them. He knows how to manage the clock and the game. When an opportunity to connect deep comes up, or to run the ball for yardage, he makes the most of it.
While I am not going to stand here (actually I am sitting) and tell you that I think John Beck is efficient, after one mini-camp, I WILL tell you that he appears to have all of the components that contribute to efficiency.
And what more could you ask for in a rookie QB? Only time will tell whether he develops into a John Elway or a John Navarre.

I can't wait to see him play! :)

Beck does have a strong arm. The people at mini-camp all said the same thing. They have some nice deep balls of his on video on www.miamidolphins.com and a few on YouTube.

Beck said that he can throw the ball on his knees through the goal post from the 47 yard line. He said so on Dan LeBetard's show last week. Those guys who go to BYU and go on missions probably don't tell too many tall tales you know. I believe it if he said he can do it from the 47 yard line.

He has pretty good footwork and a nice throwing motion. It's kind of like a good golf swing with a driver. Some guys don't have to be as big as JaMarcus to throw the ball hard and do the nice deep balls. I'm sure we'll have plenty of video of him showing off his deep ball skills before long.

http://www.790theticket.com/showaudioarchive.php?show=The Dan Le Batard Show with Stugotz#
 
Okay, so now that the emotional dust has settled, there are a few facts that have come to light about who John Beck really is. After reading everything out there, from scouting reports, to BYU fan opinions, to minicamp recaps, these seem to be the data points:

- his arm strength is not a problem; in fact, it is much better than advertised, definitely sufficient, and may be one of the strongest in the game (see Jay Cutler's combine numbers). I would summise that it is absolutely stronger than Tom Brady's, and who wouldn't want him for a QB? (BTW, Beck himself said the 50yd, on the knees, through the goal post story is bunk, so unless you have it on video, quit using that to support this argument. It only detracts from the actual facts, which support his arm stength just fine without tall tales).

- he is a "student of the game", and spends a lot of time breaking down film;
really good QBs work at it. They have the physical tools, but don't rely one that alone to prepare to compete every week. This is the biggest knock against C-pep, and this is one P Manning's biggest strengths. I guess it really applies to all players (read - Zach), but is an essential quality for a successful NFL QB.

- his accuracy is above average; well above average if you want to go by most of the scouting reports. They list this as one of his biggest assets. Most of what I see talks about short-medium range accuracy, but that is really where most elite QBs are measured. Long range passes are most often/should be opportunistic, which means you need to be able to gun it when they guy blows past the safety and is wide open. You generally are not "threading" a 40 yd pass in between opposing DBs.

- his decision making is solid; so, he studies and prepares, and he has the ability to put the ball where he aims... but does he choose to aim where the open man is? Sounds like he does. It sounds like he is the anti-AJ Feeley. Feeley used to not only make poor decisions and throw to the covered man, but he used to stare down his receivers, and that used to drive me nuts! From the reports I have read, Beck makes good decisions, quickly, AND he already has the maturity to look off DBs.

- he isn't very fast in the 40, but has the ability to be effective when escaping the pocket; Who cares what his 40 time is, if he can roll out and throw on the run? Sounds like he can do this, and he evidently has the speed to get to the end zone when it is open. He has some rushing TDs, so he is not a complete statue like Marino was at the end. This means opposing D's still have to account for him in close to the goal line. If his name is not Michael Vick, what more do you expect from a QB? (from the film I have watched, he reminds me of Elway when he runs, but maybe that's just me)

- he doesn't have ideal height, but he is a couple of inches taller than Drew Brees, and we ALL know how well Brees has done.

- he is a couple of years older than most rookie QBs; Does anyone really consider this a problem? I consider it an asset. He has a maturity and focus that comes from real responsibility in life. Let's assume he pans out, and doesn't get injured, he could play until he is 36? 37? 38? Figure 9-10 years? I'm okay with that.

Now for the biggest attribute - Efficiency!
This is really what it is all about, right? How "efficient" your QB is; putting pre-game planning, and accuracy, together with solid decisions on the field, to move your team into the end zone, right?
The most efficient QB playing today, IMO, is Tom Brady. Doesn't have a really big arm, but he knows who is open and gets the ball to them. He knows how to manage the clock and the game. When an opportunity to connect deep comes up, or to run the ball for yardage, he makes the most of it.
While I am not going to stand here (actually I am sitting) and tell you that I think John Beck is efficient, after one mini-camp, I WILL tell you that he appears to have all of the components that contribute to efficiency.
And what more could you ask for in a rookie QB? Only time will tell whether he develops into a John Elway or a John Navarre.

I can't wait to see him play! :)


Agree with everything you said except regarding his mobility, he runs a 4.7 forty which is not considered slow by the average QB standards, he also has excellent footwork and is very effective from a mobility standpoint, no, he's not Michael Vick, but who is? I would bet he's quicker than Brady or Manning.
 
I love the fact that Beck is such a football savvy, in and off the field. He is a student of the game. I can see his passion for football in his eyes. He has that fire that most football players, and all our recent QBs, have lacked.
I truly wish him well. I am excited to see what he can do.
 
Agree with everything you said except regarding his mobility, he runs a 4.7 forty which is not considered slow by the average QB standards, he also has excellent footwork and is very effective from a mobility standpoint, no, he's not Michael Vick, but who is? I would bet he's quicker than Brady or Manning.

Vick may be fast, but he is far from accurate. I like what I've seen and heard of Beck's accuracy so far. I'll take accurate throwing and average speed over fast and inaccurate any day!
 
Nice read, thanks! I have also read everything I can on this guy and really think he will be "our guy" for years to come. Also regarding arm strength, he did say in an interview that he "can chuck it 75 yrds without a problem, and doesn't mind proving it". I even saw a vid where the announcers were talking about a 70 yard bomb, that he threw. He'll be just fine in that department, but I'll take accurate over far any day!
 
I'd feel better about Beck if he could add about 10 pounds of muscle somehow. He might need that bulk and maybe some rib protector gear if he plays this year. Cam is saying the Oline is a "work in progress". We don't have a veteran group that's played together a few years that's for sure. We had way too many sacks last year. Especially at the beginning of the year.

I hope Beck realizes how hard you can get hit in the NFL. He better be a tough SOB and have that "pocket awareness" where you almost need eyes in the back of your head. He better be able to get rid of the ball quickly and still be accurate. Vernon Carey might mess up a few times with those quick/fast defensive ends out there. Cam is relying heavily on Vernon. Vernon needs to earn Cam's trust and all that.

Beck better get on good terms with the Dolphins O-linemen. He's going to need those guys ... bad. He ought to take them out for dinner like in that Tom Brady VISA card commercial. Send em Christmas cards and get to know their families ... all that stuff. Beck needs to hang out and be buddies with Vernon from time to time. He's the lead guy for QB protection services. :D
 
That brings up another point, a quality that I think was not mentioned in the original post is his quick release. The guys gets rid of the ball extremely fast, not as fast as Marino but quicker than anyone around here since then. He also has a reputation for being very tough, both are qualities that he will need behind this OL unless it improves quickly.
 
I have also heard that the offense ran at BYU was far different than the offenses that you see in the NFL,

Yes & no. In theory, it is the same offense thats currently in place @ Texas Tech w/ elements of the WCO and power running game.

That being said; It will take time for J Beck to adapt. It would be a stretch but not a shock to see him start late this year if conditions are right. Unless, something unforeseen happens, He will be the starter on opening day of '08.
 
Yes & no. In theory, it is the same offense thats currently in place @ Texas Tech w/ elements of the WCO and power running game.

That being said; It will take time for J Beck to adapt. It would be a stretch but not a shock to see him start late this year if conditions are right. Unless, something unforeseen happens, He will be the starter on opening day of '08.

How do you think Soliai will do in the NFL as a nose tackle? The guy is huge we all know that, but can he play? We need good run cloggers in the 3-4 defense who can maybe keep 2 Olinemen busy while Zach and our other linebackers fly in there to tackle the running back. Can he push Olinemen around like a champion Sumo wrestler? He looks like a Sumo wrestler to me. :D
 
I got to watch a lot of Mountain West conference games in person and on tv, and what I like about Beck is he is very accurate, and I think he has the ability to move out of the pocket and throw it on the run, and if his receivers are covered he can scramble and get you some yards running it. I also saw in a video where he was hammered and he just got up and kept on playing. I don't think he has the running ability of another BYU QB named Steve Young, but he seems to make the right decision and doesn't force a lot of bad passes. I think with an improved O-line, Beck should have plenty of time to throw it. I still think Green or Lemon will be the starter but I think Beck could quickly become the starter. Can't wait to see him play. :)
 
Vick may be fast, but he is far from accurate. I like what I've seen and heard of Beck's accuracy so far. I'll take accurate throwing and average speed over fast and inaccurate any day!

Totally agree, I was just pointing out to the thread starter that from observations and his timed speed, Beck has excellent footwork and his speed is respectable.
 
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