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Johnny Manziel vs. LSU

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He played two games this year, LSU and Missouri, (and) if those were the first two games you put on and watched, you’d say he was almost undraftable . . . He was so bad in those two games, that you’d struggle to figure out, can I even draft this guy?. . . He’s much more of a see-it, throw-it quarterback than an anticipation thrower. He’s not really a timing and anticipation thrower on film.
- Greg Cosell

Now famous, and for good reason. Neither Cosell nor Manziel require introduction. Cosell’s take on the LSU and Missouri games don’t differ from the media’s initial reaction. In said games, Manziel was closer to Mr. Irrelevant than a top-5 pick. Since Cosell’s comments flooded the draft community, Casserly and Mayock have chimed in with similar observations. Keep in mind that LSU and Missouri are two of the fastest—if not the two fastest—defenses that A&M faced this season, so if we’re projecting Manziel to the NFL, these should be two of the top three or four games towards which we gravitate.

But it didn’t sit right with me. Speaking specifically of the LSU game (the consensus worst game for Manziel), it isn’t the game I remembered watching live, and it isn’t the game I remembered re-watching. So I set out to write a brief summary of every play where Manziel threw the ball, ran the ball, or took a sack against LSU. For the sake of transparency, going into this play-by-play summary, I felt that A&M’s WR’s struggled against LSU’s press far more than Manziel struggled with LSU’s speed and pass rush. To the defense of A&M’s WR’s, the physical play of LSU’s DB’s would make Richard Sherman and the Seattle CB’s blush.

http://mrebird.wordpress.com/2014/02/20/johnny-manziel-vs-lsu-2/
 
Somehow, I missed that the arrows (showing which side of the 50 the ball is on) didn't translate from Word. Will amend that.
 
I seen a qb that was couldn't throw quick over the middle. He's handicapped. He has bad footwork and throws under hand not over hand. Reminds me of an athletic shorter Matt moore.

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His intangibles are off the roof, though. Winners mentality.
 
There are plays where he changes his trajectory, but generally I see a good overhand throwing motion from Manziel.

Are there any plays that stand out, where you strongly agree or disagree with the play summary?

Appreciate the read, sir.
 
I think Manziel will be a fine pro if he goes to the right spot. Jacksonville or Oakland's offenses are perfect for him. I think he'd do okay in Cleveland as well.

But Johnny's big issue will be keeping his head in check. He admits that he let the Heisman go to his head, if he has any success right away in the pros he has to keep himself in check. Now the thing is, Johnny is a hard worker and seems smart unlike a guy like Vince Young who couldn't adjust once defenses figured out he couldn't throw.
 
I think Manziel will be a fine pro if he goes to the right spot. Jacksonville or Oakland's offenses are perfect for him. I think he'd do okay in Cleveland as well.

But Johnny's big issue will be keeping his head in check. He admits that he let the Heisman go to his head, if he has any success right away in the pros he has to keep himself in check. Now the thing is, Johnny is a hard worker and seems smart unlike a guy like Vince Young who couldn't adjust once defenses figured out he couldn't throw.

That's an excellent point, Chambers, and I think Jacksonville would be an ideal spot for him. My main concern is that he'll go to a team that either asks him to run the read/option on a regular basis or a team that asks him to throw 35 times a game. I think throwing that much is poor planning in general, but you have to do things to preserve smaller QB's (Aaron Rodgers and smaller). I don't see limiting pass attempts as a handicap, because I see it as a winning formula (even if you have a big-framed guy who can take a ton of punishment).

In fairness to Manziel, even after letting the Heisman go to his head, he improved by leaps and bounds as a passer. Going into 2013, I didn't see him as a 1st RD QB. A lot of the criticisms that I hear regarding Manziel were similar to my criticisms heading into 2013. But I had him as my #1 QB by late September. I haven't transcribed it, but I did the Alabama game, and almost all of his damage came from inside the pocket. People remember that one silly play, but that was the exception.

After calling him a prick, Switzer put him up there with Michael Jordan and Oscar Robertson and said that he'd never seen a college QB control the game the way Manziel does.
 
No one is going to point out the difference in him against the blitz? Smh, dude fell part once LSU brought there real blitz package in the 2nd half. it was like every play, you could see as soon as the snap hit johnnys hands, he was ready to run away, not really knowing where's he's going, but god dammit, he's gonna run. To me, that completey exposes him, it's going to be hard to change that mentality.

That's why Sherman and philbin last year and for a lot of this past season didn't let tannehill leave the pocket, they didn't want him to get the habit of having happy feet for no reason.

I'm not a sherman supporter by any means,but you have to respect sherm/philbin for trying to develope tannehill the right way. When guys like rg3 are still learning the basics of being a pocket qb, tannehill is going to hemlocks hears ahead of these guys.
 
No one is going to point out the difference in him against the blitz? Smh, dude fell part once LSU brought there real blitz package in the 2nd half. it was like every play, you could see as soon as the snap hit johnnys hands, he was ready to run away, not really knowing where's he's going, but god dammit, he's gonna run. To me, that completey exposes him, it's going to be hard to change that mentality.

That's why Sherman and philbin last year and for a lot of this past season didn't let tannehill leave the pocket, they didn't want him to get the habit of having happy feet for no reason.

I'm not a sherman supporter by any means,but you have to respect sherm/philbin for trying to develope tannehill the right way. When guys like rg3 are still learning the basics of being a pocket qb, tannehill is going to hemlocks hears ahead of these guys.

I didn't see this at all. 1:07 of the 3rd was against a 5-man rush; 13:42 of the 4th was against a 6-man rush, and Manziel beats it (Lambhart just fails to separate from the DB - with a ton of space and the extra time Manziel's legs afforded him); at 6:13, LSU rushes 7, and Manziel makes a perfect back-shoulder fade throw to Evans in the End Zone; on the following play he throws an INT against the blitz, but I see that as him failing to account for Loston, rather than the pressure being an issue. Overall, I think he handled the blitz well - 2 dropped TD's on plays where the D sent more than 4 rushers.
 
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