Jordan Phillips?

[jimthefin]

There seemed to be a lot of unrest from Fin Nation when they heard Mimi was looking at Jordan Phillips but from what I have read about him(granted I have not seen any tape of him beyond the standard youtube highlight stuff)he looks like the real deal to me.Granted he would not fill a need but he could be a stud next to Suh.

The scouting reports i have read talk about his absurd size and athleticism and his ability to play DT in any front.

So what is not to like?

Is #14 too high?
Is taking a DT too much of a "luxury" pick?
Do you just not like the guy?

 

[xXwarXx]

His back injury problems are the big worry here. without them he's a 1st rnd pick, but back injuries are tricky and unpredictable.

As far as his ability, he has crazy natural talent. Almost always wins off the snap. There's still a lot of upside left there too.

I personally think well be looking to draft a corner in rnd 1, and a DT in rnd 2. We seem to be looking at a lot of 2nd tier DTs, which quite frankly have the talent to be in the 1st tier, but it's a deep position this year.

 

[FearTheBeard]

What is up with everyone's infatuation with grabbing a DT early? We got freaking Suh...Mitchell is solid and will only improve next to him, and Anthony Johnson is extremely promising. I would rather go the FA route, otherwise a mid-rounder, but really what is the difference between a mid-rounder and AJ Francis?

Kenrick Ellis got freaking 1/1.5M contract...would've loved that here.

Jordan Phillips at 14 would be crazy. Great overall athlete. Bad back and plays with really poor pad level. I just don't see us needing to prioritize DT by any stretch. No DT outside of Leonard Williams is worthy of pick 14.

 

[Fintastic2124]

I'm excited for Anthony johnson myself

 

[LordTua]

What is up with everyone's infatuation with grabbing a DT early? We got freaking Suh...Mitchell is solid and will only improve next to him, and Anthony Johnson is extremely promising. I would rather go the FA route, otherwise a mid-rounder, but really what is the difference between a mid-rounder and AJ Francis?

Kenrick Ellis got freaking 1/1.5M contract...would've loved that here.

Jordan Phillips at 14 would be crazy. Great overall athlete. Bad back and plays with really poor pad level. I just don't see us needing to prioritize DT by any stretch. No DT outside of Leonard Williams is worthy of pick 14.

Have to agree.

The more I play the draft in my head the more I think Waynes, Scherff or Parker is the pick.

 

[PSU Cane]

I haven't seen the medical on him, but if he has a bad back, that's a HUGE red flag for me. I know how it is, i've had back surgery myself and continue to have recurring eposides. The bigger/taller you are, the worse it is.

The label of a guy who lacks consistency/effort is another issue for me. I haven't had the time this year to watch a lot of tape, so i've seen little on him in particular to know how serious of an issue it is. But too many times i have seen dlinemen with that label washout in the NFL. In college, it's easier to turn it on for a series or two for a "highlight play" and look good against inferior talent. Against the best of the best in the NFL, that just doesn't work, especially after being beat on play after play and being demoralized.

I'd rather have a guy like Carl Davis. He's solid in all aspects of the game and a disruptor. If you want a run stuffer next to Suh, looking at Shelton and Goldman makes sense. Pass rusher? Xavier Cooper is quick and non-stop.

 

[jimthefin]

I was not aware of the back injury.

As for wanting a DT at #14, a couple of years ago I rallied for Miami to take Sheldon Richardson with their 1st pick.he was not a need but Solia and Stark's contracts were coming up and I thought it would be smart to address that early.

I think Miami would be better off now had they stayed in their spot and taken a non need in Richardson than in doing what they did.

Now i am not comparing Phillips to Richardson or anything like that i just think the 1st Round is for drafting talent not filling needs.

 

[Fin Thirteen]

I'd like us to snag a DT later on. Grady Jarrett of Clemson is a smaller athletic guy with a bit of Atkins to his game. Like him a lot in round 4 or maybe even 3.

Christian Ringo of ULL is one of my favourite players in the draft. Both guys explosive one-gap penetrators who could complement what we have in Suh and Mitchell.

 

[xXwarXx]

What is up with everyone's infatuation with grabbing a DT early? We got freaking Suh...Mitchell is solid and will only improve next to him, and Anthony Johnson is extremely promising. I would rather go the FA route, otherwise a mid-rounder, but really what is the difference between a mid-rounder and AJ Francis?

Kenrick Ellis got freaking 1/1.5M contract...would've loved that here.

Jordan Phillips at 14 would be crazy. Great overall athlete. Bad back and plays with really poor pad level. I just don't see us needing to prioritize DT by any stretch. No DT outside of Leonard Williams is worthy of pick 14.

A DT isn't as much a need as it's a way to maximize Suh's ability and effect on the field.

Johnson, Mitchell are serviceable players and should do fine next to Suh, but if you get a real beast next to Suh, you basically have 2 players in the middle of your defense that can by themselves drag you into the playoffs.

All you have to do is look at Detroit last year, offense was ok at best, linebackers and cornerbacks are nobody's, but Suh with the right parts around him, dominated. Got them into playoffs.

Drafts deep at DT are also pretty rare, so taking advantage of it while you can makes a lot of sense.

 

[xXwarXx]

I was not aware of the back injury.

As for wanting a DT at #14, a couple of years ago I rallied for Miami to take Sheldon Richardson with their 1st pick.he was not a need but Solia and Stark's contracts were coming up and I thought it would be smart to address that early.

I think Miami would be better off now had they stayed in their spot and taken a non need in Richardson than in doing what they did.

Now i am not comparing Phillips to Richardson or anything like that i just think the 1st Round is for drafting talent not filling needs.

Loved Richardson that draft and never imagined he would drop where he did.

But I Would more compare Phillips to Wilkerson who was drafted late in the 1st rnd. He wasn't a big name znd people thought he was over drafted, but he's having a HOF career.

 

[PSU Cane]

Loved Richardson that draft and never imagined he would drop where he did.

But I Would more compare Phillips to Wilkerson who was drafted late in the 1st rnd. He wasn't a big name znd people thought he was over drafted, but he's having a HOF career.

I loved Richardson as well. It's rare to find a guy that big/athletic who's able to play both DT and DE and plays with a high energy motor. His biggest issues in college were staying academically eligible and keeping his mouth shut.

 

[j-off-her-doll]

A DT isn't as much a need as it's a way to maximize Suh's ability and effect on the field.

Johnson, Mitchell are serviceable players and should do fine next to Suh, but if you get a real beast next to Suh, you basically have 2 players in the middle of your defense that can by themselves drag you into the playoffs.

All you have to do is look at Detroit last year, offense was ok at best, linebackers and cornerbacks are nobody's, but Suh with the right parts around him, dominated. Got them into playoffs.

Drafts deep at DT are also pretty rare, so taking advantage of it while you can makes a lot of sense.

I think that's exactly it. If you can grab a DT who can eat up space and command double teams, that frees up Suh to have a great impact on the game. I hated the Nick Fairley pick for Detroit - HATED it, because he should have been a 3-Tech, and Suh should be a 3-Tech. Had the Lions drafted a legitimate 1-tech with First Round Talent, rather than Fairley, Suh would have put up huge numbers in Detroit. If Jordan Phillips pans out, he's that guy, and he'd be a perfect fit. He's raw, and the back is scary, so I'd go a different direction, but he'd absolutely be a fit. At 47, the gamble looks a lot better, and that's the range where I have him. I do think someone in the 1st will gamble on him.

To me, the best 1-tech in the draft is Carl Davis, and he's the DT I'd target for Miami. Goldman would be the other good fit.

 

[Tannenbombs]

I think that's exactly it. If you can grab a DT who can eat up space and command double teams, that frees up Suh to have a great impact on the game. I hated the Nick Fairley pick for Detroit - HATED it, because he should have been a 3-Tech, and Suh should be a 3-Tech. Had the Lions drafted a legitimate 1-tech with First Round Talent, rather than Fairley, Suh would have put up huge numbers in Detroit. If Jordan Phillips pans out, he's that guy, and he'd be a perfect fit. He's raw, and the back is scary, so I'd go a different direction, but he'd absolutely be a fit. At 47, the gamble looks a lot better, and that's the range where I have him. I do think someone in the 1st will gamble on him.

To me, the best 1-tech in the draft is Carl Davis, and he's the DT I'd target for Miami. Goldman would be the other good fit.

Except for the fact Detroit played Suh on the left side and Fairley played the right side. They didn't flop them and switch sides. One would be aligned as a 3 technique, and the other as a shade or a 2 depending on the strength of the defense

 

[j-off-her-doll]

Except for the fact Detroit played Suh on the left side and Fairley played the right side. They didn't flop them and switch sides. One would be aligned as a 3 technique, and the other as a shade or a 2 depending on the strength of the defense

Right, and they both SHOULD have been 3-techniques. Suh SHOULD have been playing with a guy that eats up blockers. Do you understand what I'm saying, or SHOULD I say it again?

 

[Tannenbombs]

Right, and they both SHOULD have been 3-techniques. Suh SHOULD have been playing with a guy that eats up blockers. Do you understand what I'm saying, or SHOULD I say it again?

There are two ways to beat a double team. With quickness or strength. You can play as a shade or a 2 if you can get up the field. It's a common misconception you have to be 320+ pounds to play as a 2 or a shade in a 4-3.