Josh Johnson For NL Cy Young Award Thread

[phinphan896]

Just sign here show some love to JJ whose stats have been magnificent this year.

 

[Mike13]

He's good but would they really give the award to a rookie? Has that been down before?

 

[Nappy Roots]

Brandon Webb right now IMO.

 

[Alex44]

Josh deserves it but we have to make the playoffs IMO for him to get any consideration

He is 11-4 since becoming a starter (12-6 total) and leads the NL in ERA.

 

[djfresh47]

Chris Carpenter is 12-6 with a slightly higher ERA. Though he's started more games. If I had to give it to a guy right now eventhough his ERA is like 3.32 Carlos Zambrano is a stud. The Cubs need to fire the Lizard ASAP so he doesn't ruin his arm also.

 

[Prime Time]

Yeah we really have to push for the playoffs If he is going to win it. Reds are losing right now by the way. :wink:

 

[Alex44]

Chris Carpenter is 12-6 with a slightly higher ERA. Though he's started more games. If I had to give it to a guy right now eventhough his ERA is like 3.32 Carlos Zambrano is a stud. The Cubs need to fire the Lizard ASAP so he doesn't ruin his arm also.

You would give it to Zambrano? I agree his numbers are worth but Dontrelle should have gotten it year then.

 

[RWhitney014]

Carpenter is 12-6 with a 2.96. Johnson is 12-6 with a 2.87. Webb is 13-5 with a 2.99. Don't think Zambrano will win because the Cubs are so awful. Johnson's really got to be in it. He had one bad relief outing in April that is actually inflating his ERA, yet it still leads the majors (not just the NL).

I don't think he will win it, and he may not deserve to win it. But he definitely is a competitor for it.

 

[djfresh47]

You would give it to Zambrano? I agree his numbers are worth but Dontrelle should have gotten it year then.

I think you can be the best pitcher which I view the Cy Young as and be on an awful team. The MVP is a different story because I don't view it as an award for the best player.

 

[RWhitney014]

Yeah, but there's been no attention or pressure on Zambrano. The guy happens to be a nutcase, too, and considering the press votes for this stuff, I think, I doubt they have a great relationship.

 

[Alex44]

I think you can be the best pitcher which I view the Cy Young as and be on an awful team. The MVP is a different story because I don't view it as an award for the best player.

I agree to, in fact it should be more impressive on a losing team.

Im just saying thats not how the voters generally think

 

[MikeO]

Right now this kid gets my vote. Webb and Zambrano are there with him, but if this kid wins 16+ games there is no dobut he will win it.

 

[djfresh47]

Yeah, but there's been no attention or pressure on Zambrano. The guy happens to be a nutcase, too, and considering the press votes for this stuff, I think, I doubt they have a great relationship.

Just looking at stats if the season ended today I don't think Johnson finishes in the top 2. I think that would be Carpenter and Webb which is virtually a toss-up right now. If Oswalt can get on a roll maybe he joins the race also.

 

[Alex44]

Just looking at stats if the season ended today I don't think Johnson finishes in the top 2. I think that would be Carpenter and Webb which is virtually a toss-up right now. If Oswalt can get on a roll maybe he joins the race also.

Im not disagreeing but Im going to break down the numbers on everyone

Johnson: 12 wins 2 behind NL lead: 2.87 ERA leads the majors: 6 losses:


Webb: 14 wins tied for first in NL: 3.02 ERA 4th in Majors 3rd in NL: 5 losses:


Penny: 14 wins tied for first in NL: 3.88 ERA: 7 losses:


Zambrano: 14 wins tied for first in NL: 3.31 ERA 10th in the majors 6th in the NL: 5 losses:


Oswalt: Only 10 wins: 3.23 ERA 6th in MLB 4th in NL: 3.88 ERA 27th in Majors: 8 losses:

Carpenter: 12 wins: 2.96 ERA: 6 losses

In conclusion

Zambrano isnt on a contendor so fairly or not he wont get it, Penny hasnt dominated, his ERA is the highest of any other pitcher in line for it, Oswalt wont get it, he has almost the exact same numbers as Jason Schmidt, except Schmidt only has 7 losses to Oswalts 8.

Its between Carpenter, Webb, and Johnson

Johnson hasnt been a starter the entire year, he started out in the bullpen, he was 1-2 as a reliever before becoming a starter he is 11-4, Webb started off like 8-0 or something and has tailed of since

IMO Webb might be out of it if the DBacks dont stay in the playoff chase

So that brings it down to JJ and CC which is basically a wash, except JJ has a lower ERA

 

[RWhitney014]

Just looking at stats if the season ended today I don't think Johnson finishes in the top 2. I think that would be Carpenter and Webb which is virtually a toss-up right now. If Oswalt can get on a roll maybe he joins the race also.

If Liriano hadn't gotten hurt, continued the way he was pitching, and ended up leading the majors in ERA, would he have won the AL Cy?