jumbo vs long? info would be nice plz!
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he was a good steady player for the giants...I'm pretty sure he went to the probowl tho not sure how many times....not sure they relate....players are so different now so is hard to say.
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I pro bowl. No all-pro selections.
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Thought he was with the Redskins.
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Jumbo Elliott was the starting LT for the NY Giants under Bill Parcells. He was the cornerstone of the offensive line that Parcells built while at the Giants that helped them win the Superbowl against the Bills (when they missed the winning field goal in the Bills only Superbowl that they could have and should have won IMHO).
Elliott was widely regarded as a solid pass protector, and in that Superbowl he was facing none other than the best DE in the NFL, Bruce Smith. The Bills defense also featured a good OLB in Cornelius Bennett known for his pass rushing skills. Elliott was known as the best run blocking LT in the NFL. Elliott was a tall (6'6 or 6'7 if I recall correctly) and very strong lineman from Michigan who was quick enough to play LT but not the quickest. He was definitely a dominant run blocker, which was crucial to Bill Parcells' Giant's success on offense.
Coming out in the draft things were different then. While today the scouts seem to have figured out how to project tackles at the NFL level, back then they were far more hit-and-miss. Elliott was widely regarded as too slow to handle the speed rushers and therefore unable to play LT at the NFL level. This lead the projected 1st round talent to slipping down in the draft. Off the top of my head, I think he ended up being a 2nd round pick by the Giants, but if I'm wrong please someone correct that point. Regardless, he was picked faaaaaaar lower than hindsight would have selected him.
Once in the NFL, Elliott proved his detractors wrong. He was never the best pass protector, but he showed he was good enough to play solid pass pro as a LT in the NFL. His run blocking--particularly against the lightweight speed rushers predominant on the right side of most NFL defenses--meant that his run blocking became legend. The Giants tended to have 2 primary running plays, down the center and running left over Jumbo Elliott. Both were very effective.
Parcells' system then and today is predicated on shortening the game. He wants to take as much time off the clock as he can, thereby bleeding the life out of the game and keeping the score low. He employs a smashmouth offense to grind plays and clock thereby wearing the opponent's defense down and tiring them in the 4th quarter so Parcells can salt away the win. This slow but steady approach also keeps the opponent's offense off the field and tends to make it very difficult for a hot QB to ever find his rythem. Also, Parcells' defense is protected and always fresh with the energy to rush the QB "like mad dogs" as Lawrence Taylor put it. If Parcells' defense had to defend too many snaps they would have a very tough time shutting down the opponent's offense late in the game. Parcells depends upon his defense to shut down the opponents offense late in the game, and his offense to grind out the clock and victory late in the game. For this, you absolutely must have a dominant run blocking line.
For Parcells, he only won the Superbowl once with the Giants, and Jumbo Elliott lead his dominating running game. If I recall correctly, Otis "OJ" Anderson won the Superbowl MVP despite being the 2nd string running back.
Parcells' has never been one to invest heavily in the RB position, but he depends heavily on having an OL that are dominating run blockers. One reason Parcells is considered to prefer big strong QB's isn't because of their arms, but rather their ability to hold onto the ball (not fumble or force throws) when they're hit and/or hurried in the pass rush ... because Parcells is willing to sacrafice a little pass protection in his OL to get dominant run blockers.
As for Jake Long, I'm one of the people who has been mentioning how he reminds me of Jumbo Elliott and how I'm certain he reminds Parcells of Jumbo Elliott as well. I don't know if I'm the first, but I've been touting Jake Long as the pick since Parcells was hired by Miami, and I've been making the Elliott Comparison since Jake Long's freshman season. To me, Parcells is going to see Jake Long as the obvious pick, but I'm sure he'd still prefer to trade down to as low as 5 to select any of the top blue-chip picks.
Hope this helps.
Elliott was widely regarded as a solid pass protector, and in that Superbowl he was facing none other than the best DE in the NFL, Bruce Smith. The Bills defense also featured a good OLB in Cornelius Bennett known for his pass rushing skills. Elliott was known as the best run blocking LT in the NFL. Elliott was a tall (6'6 or 6'7 if I recall correctly) and very strong lineman from Michigan who was quick enough to play LT but not the quickest. He was definitely a dominant run blocker, which was crucial to Bill Parcells' Giant's success on offense.
Coming out in the draft things were different then. While today the scouts seem to have figured out how to project tackles at the NFL level, back then they were far more hit-and-miss. Elliott was widely regarded as too slow to handle the speed rushers and therefore unable to play LT at the NFL level. This lead the projected 1st round talent to slipping down in the draft. Off the top of my head, I think he ended up being a 2nd round pick by the Giants, but if I'm wrong please someone correct that point. Regardless, he was picked faaaaaaar lower than hindsight would have selected him.
Once in the NFL, Elliott proved his detractors wrong. He was never the best pass protector, but he showed he was good enough to play solid pass pro as a LT in the NFL. His run blocking--particularly against the lightweight speed rushers predominant on the right side of most NFL defenses--meant that his run blocking became legend. The Giants tended to have 2 primary running plays, down the center and running left over Jumbo Elliott. Both were very effective.
Parcells' system then and today is predicated on shortening the game. He wants to take as much time off the clock as he can, thereby bleeding the life out of the game and keeping the score low. He employs a smashmouth offense to grind plays and clock thereby wearing the opponent's defense down and tiring them in the 4th quarter so Parcells can salt away the win. This slow but steady approach also keeps the opponent's offense off the field and tends to make it very difficult for a hot QB to ever find his rythem. Also, Parcells' defense is protected and always fresh with the energy to rush the QB "like mad dogs" as Lawrence Taylor put it. If Parcells' defense had to defend too many snaps they would have a very tough time shutting down the opponent's offense late in the game. Parcells depends upon his defense to shut down the opponents offense late in the game, and his offense to grind out the clock and victory late in the game. For this, you absolutely must have a dominant run blocking line.
For Parcells, he only won the Superbowl once with the Giants, and Jumbo Elliott lead his dominating running game. If I recall correctly, Otis "OJ" Anderson won the Superbowl MVP despite being the 2nd string running back.
Parcells' has never been one to invest heavily in the RB position, but he depends heavily on having an OL that are dominating run blockers. One reason Parcells is considered to prefer big strong QB's isn't because of their arms, but rather their ability to hold onto the ball (not fumble or force throws) when they're hit and/or hurried in the pass rush ... because Parcells is willing to sacrafice a little pass protection in his OL to get dominant run blockers.
As for Jake Long, I'm one of the people who has been mentioning how he reminds me of Jumbo Elliott and how I'm certain he reminds Parcells of Jumbo Elliott as well. I don't know if I'm the first, but I've been touting Jake Long as the pick since Parcells was hired by Miami, and I've been making the Elliott Comparison since Jake Long's freshman season. To me, Parcells is going to see Jake Long as the obvious pick, but I'm sure he'd still prefer to trade down to as low as 5 to select any of the top blue-chip picks.
Hope this helps.
This is about as spot on as u can get. Excellent Post!!
People keep saying how Jumbo was a 2nd round prospect . . . and if Jake is Jumbo . . . we are crazy for selecting him #1 overall. I laugh at the notion . . . he is IDEAL for what Parcells is trying to do. I think Jake ALSO can become legendary for his run blocking on the left side of the line . . . but also be a BETTER pass protector than Elliot . . . making him an ELITE LT in this league. I keep hearing . . . he is a RT in this league because of his run blocking . . . . what nonsense . . . I would love to have his run blocking skills on the left side of the line . . . to go along with solid pass pro.
If Jake can be equal/better than Jumbo Elliot . . . I will take him right now knowing that. He is a VERY safe pick . . . and u want that if you are investing so much on a guy. I don't feel comfortable paying a guy so much guaranteed money to struggle w/ a playbook or to be groomed behind another guy.
Obviously Jake WILL be tested early and often by the NFL's best DE's . . . . and he will more than likely lose some battles . . . but I guarantee every one of those DE's will marvel at how he tossed them aside in the run game . . . and while he learns from NFL coaches about his pass pro technique and what can be improved . . . he will dominate in other parts . . . and I love the idea of having Brown and Williams run behind him.
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Also, the addition of Smiley--a guard who is at his best pulling--means that running left would be a very solid setup. Having another pretty good run blocking RT in Carey means that the Dolphins would have the versatility to run in any direction, with the only remaining missing piece (besides Jake Long at LT I mean) would be a pulling LG.
dude giving RB about 4 yards of space PAST THE LINE OF scrimage with steam has always resulted in about 10 yard runs and 4 ppl on him. imagine doing that 25 times a game the D is goin to die of pain and u have Ginn thats goin to bruise u deep n out if not Wilford and hopefully a rookie are there for a simple 8 to 10 yard completion.
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What have you to say about his apparent tendency to play "top heavy" and get knocked on his butt by a good bullrush? This really does concern me from what film I've seen of him.
One correction, Parcells won the SuperBowl twice with the Giants ( vs. Broncos & vs. Bills), although I honestly don't know if Jumbo Elliot was on both teams.
Elliot was around only the second time in Super Bowl in Super Bowl XXV. And Bruce Smith did sack Holsteter for a safety although I couldn't find out if Elliot allowed the sack.
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I use to cut "JUMBO" John Elliot's lawn here in Peapack/Gladstone New Jersey while I was in college in 1989, 90 and 91. Let me tell you something, this guy was huge, real huge an dhe coould move. He had a chocalate lab that he would call in before I started mowing. He would have to turn his head sideways and duck to get out the back door. Now this is what I was totally amazed about. At the very back of his yard he had at least 75 yrd run that I could barely put my mower on because of the angle, no joke and the grass was worn where he would run up and down this slope. First I thought it was his crazy lab until the one day when I caught him running up and down this thing. The best is my Boss was a real ahole and Jumbo new it by the way he treated us. The one day my boss asked him if he could call him Jumbo and he said no way my name is Mr Elliot to you, we were all laughing. My boss left the job and John came back out and asked us if we wanted burgers and a beer and of course we accepted. My brother called him Mr Elliot and he told us his name was "Jumbo" with a laugh. He was really cool guy and that hillside run in the back was always worn. I can only hope that Jake Long can be the same calliber player as Jumbo. What a great player to watch....Had to share the experience with you guys...