skippysphins
its all about winning !
but to answer the oline or dline i say we need them both the way injuries got both lines last season
June 1st : Defense Or Offense???
- Thread starter BLITZKRIEG
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Bodzilla29
The Shiznit
How many of those ex-Bears/camp fodder actually have a shot at making our 53 man roster tho? none of them if you ask me, it will be the same as last season.
skippysphins
its all about winning !
i agree 2 ithink mayes and perry hopefully as a backup
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jd13
i would love to see the dolphins sign another ol,marco coleman,keenan mccardelland maybe another lb...
VanDolPhan
Practice Squad
Because he is on what...his 4th team since he was drafted? He's got issues on the maturity side that he absolutely has to control in the future that he hasn't in the past. Also to be an every down DE means you have to be able to stop the run and David Bowens has yet to prove he's a viable pass rusher to compliment JT let alone get into the running side of things.
ckparrothead
Premium Member
I believe Bodzilla was referring to guys that were on the 53 man active roster, not a bunch of training camp fodder who won't be paid a nickel come time for the season to start.
Don't forget that David Bowens DID have a chance before here, I believe with Green Bay. And I don't think they were the team that drafted him, I think that was Denver. He didn't show anything to them. He looks promising to us sure, but we're homers. We do know that at the very best Bowens is another JT type of player because he is undersized. But the problem is, JT plays RDE already so Deebo would have to play LDE, the spot Kenny Mixon manned...and this is a position where you absolutely NEED to be able to hold your own at the point of attack (we put up with Kenny Mixon's one dimensional play for YEARS and now are putting Daryl Gardener in there...just to give you a feel for how much importance the coaches place run stuffing ability and holding up at the point of attack at LDE) I think Deebo can be a good player someday. A good JT clone possibly (Zach Thomas seems to think so), but the problem with that is we already have a JT....and it would definitely hurt the run D to have two in there...in fact most likely we'd have to completely change the defense to stacking 8 men in the box most of the time, with hopefully the added passrush from JT and Deebo, put together with Madison and Surtain's shut down abilities, hopefully keeping us as a premium D...
As for OL depth I have to remind you guys that we've got an overabundance of depth already on the interior of the OL. We've got 3 guys capable of playing Center and playing it well (Ruddy, our draftee McKinney, and Troy Andrews). Two of those three guys are also capable of playing guard, without hardly any dropoff which adds them to a mix that already includes Mark Dixon, Todd Perry, Leon Searcy, and Anthony Cesario. Luckily for us Cesario can play RT and play it pretty well (some say he even played better than Wade in the preseason last year) so he can be a backup RT. But then we've got Brent Smith, Todd Wade, and Marcus Spriggs. Thats 10 offensive linemen where a team usually keeps 8, maybe 9 in cases of injury concern. You can only get a good look at so many players at a position at a time, lest we make the same mistake as Jimmy back when he had 13 runningbacks in training camp and overloaded the position so much that the only one worth his salt wasn't evaluated correctly and was released (Tyrone Wheatley). In my opinion having Blake Brockermeyer would be no different from having Brent Smith, there's really no significant difference between the two...except salary of course which is a negative for BB. So yeah it would be nice to have someone else in the mix that can play LT but the problem with that is, anyone who could possibly play LT, has been snatched up by an LT-starved league. Too late.
One more thing about the statement "The injury to M. Dixon was a bad one. Bad enough for him to consider retirement" by BLITZKRIEG. I've been hearing lately that Dixon's going through a divorce right now, or at least, he just went through one. He's alluded to it in the papers too. That can be hard on a guy. I'm sure when he made those original statements about not knowing if he'll make it back or retire, he had on his mind the possibility of saving his marriage. Rehabbing takes up a lot of your time during the offseason, its like not even having an offseason. So considering this, and considering Dixon's usual ridiculous penchant for pessimism (you guys ALL know what I'm talkin about there) I'm not surprised at all that he would make statements alluding to retirement because of an injury that comes nowhere CLOSE to forcing any player's retirement anywhere. The coaches publicly ridiculed the notion that his injury is a retirement-forcer, for good reason. Our new signee Larry Chester had the exact same injury, and not only was there never any talk of retirement, but there was hardly ever any mentioning of the injury either. Why? Because its NOT THAT SIGNIFICANT AN INJURY. Not even close to a torn ACL or MCL or even a slightly torn meniscus.
Don't forget that David Bowens DID have a chance before here, I believe with Green Bay. And I don't think they were the team that drafted him, I think that was Denver. He didn't show anything to them. He looks promising to us sure, but we're homers. We do know that at the very best Bowens is another JT type of player because he is undersized. But the problem is, JT plays RDE already so Deebo would have to play LDE, the spot Kenny Mixon manned...and this is a position where you absolutely NEED to be able to hold your own at the point of attack (we put up with Kenny Mixon's one dimensional play for YEARS and now are putting Daryl Gardener in there...just to give you a feel for how much importance the coaches place run stuffing ability and holding up at the point of attack at LDE) I think Deebo can be a good player someday. A good JT clone possibly (Zach Thomas seems to think so), but the problem with that is we already have a JT....and it would definitely hurt the run D to have two in there...in fact most likely we'd have to completely change the defense to stacking 8 men in the box most of the time, with hopefully the added passrush from JT and Deebo, put together with Madison and Surtain's shut down abilities, hopefully keeping us as a premium D...
As for OL depth I have to remind you guys that we've got an overabundance of depth already on the interior of the OL. We've got 3 guys capable of playing Center and playing it well (Ruddy, our draftee McKinney, and Troy Andrews). Two of those three guys are also capable of playing guard, without hardly any dropoff which adds them to a mix that already includes Mark Dixon, Todd Perry, Leon Searcy, and Anthony Cesario. Luckily for us Cesario can play RT and play it pretty well (some say he even played better than Wade in the preseason last year) so he can be a backup RT. But then we've got Brent Smith, Todd Wade, and Marcus Spriggs. Thats 10 offensive linemen where a team usually keeps 8, maybe 9 in cases of injury concern. You can only get a good look at so many players at a position at a time, lest we make the same mistake as Jimmy back when he had 13 runningbacks in training camp and overloaded the position so much that the only one worth his salt wasn't evaluated correctly and was released (Tyrone Wheatley). In my opinion having Blake Brockermeyer would be no different from having Brent Smith, there's really no significant difference between the two...except salary of course which is a negative for BB. So yeah it would be nice to have someone else in the mix that can play LT but the problem with that is, anyone who could possibly play LT, has been snatched up by an LT-starved league. Too late.
One more thing about the statement "The injury to M. Dixon was a bad one. Bad enough for him to consider retirement" by BLITZKRIEG. I've been hearing lately that Dixon's going through a divorce right now, or at least, he just went through one. He's alluded to it in the papers too. That can be hard on a guy. I'm sure when he made those original statements about not knowing if he'll make it back or retire, he had on his mind the possibility of saving his marriage. Rehabbing takes up a lot of your time during the offseason, its like not even having an offseason. So considering this, and considering Dixon's usual ridiculous penchant for pessimism (you guys ALL know what I'm talkin about there) I'm not surprised at all that he would make statements alluding to retirement because of an injury that comes nowhere CLOSE to forcing any player's retirement anywhere. The coaches publicly ridiculed the notion that his injury is a retirement-forcer, for good reason. Our new signee Larry Chester had the exact same injury, and not only was there never any talk of retirement, but there was hardly ever any mentioning of the injury either. Why? Because its NOT THAT SIGNIFICANT AN INJURY. Not even close to a torn ACL or MCL or even a slightly torn meniscus.