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Just a Bit of Optimism Here

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There has been a lot of negativity being spewed over the last few hours on finheaven. I am not going to argue that everything that the Dolphins have done in round 2 and 3 are genius moves. I'm just here to try to calm some of you down and am asking you to relax and take a deep breath.

After the Tunsil miracle of round 1, the rest of the draft couldn't live up to the high expectations that many of us, me included, were hoping for. I really do like Howard as a player but I don't really like having to give up a 4th rounder to move up from #42 to #38. A lot of fans, NOT all, are just upset that the Dolphins didn't trade up to draft Myles Jack. It is being reported that they did, indeed, try to trade up for Jack.
http://www.miamiherald.com/sports/spt-columns-blogs/armando-salguero/article74835262.html
True, McKenzie Alexander, a fan favorite, was available had the Dolphins stayed put at #42 but the Dolphins were obviously one of the teams turned off by his supposedly negative interviews. Also, Alexander is nowhere near as big or physical as Xavien Howard, which our defensive coordinator prefers. The Dolphins would not trade up 4 spots if they weren't concerned that another team could've taken or traded ahead of them to take Howard. You always here former executives like Gil Brandt and Bill Polian say that if there is a player that you like, you take them and don't risk losing them by trading down or staying put. You secure that player.
I have said more than a few times that there is too much of a history of late round and undrafted free agent running succeeding in the NFL to draft one early, especially with the multiple needs on this team. Well, running back was a need, and it was filled by drafting, in my opinion, the best receiving running back in this draft. Drake legitimately can catch the ball downfield like a WR. Drake is also an elite KR, which the Dolphins haven't had since Ted Ginn, lol. I most certainly would have waited until the later rounds to pick a RB (Dixon, Howard, Collins, Booker, etc) but at least Drake has an elite part to his game and is a good compliment to Ajayi.
At first, I was a little surprised at the trade for Leonte Carroo. It is a 6th this year and a 3rd next year with a conditional 4th. Nobody knows what the conditions are so its pointless to speculate what they are. If it ends up being a 4th, it will likely be triggered by some sort of performance bonus so maybe we should be rooting for it to be met. Some of our 3rd and 4th round picks over the last 10 years are Derek Hagen, Joe Toledo, Patrick Turner, Clyde Gates, Michael Egnew, and Dallas Thomas. Worst case scenario, Carroo ends up being an even swap for Rishard Matthews and best case he ends up like Jarvis Landry or Anquan Boldin. Regardless of what anyone says, the Dolphins are not stacked at WR. Stills is a FA after next year and according to some on here, needs to be upgraded or replaced.
Did we have bigger needs than RB and WR, yes, but this draft is not over and the season doesn't start next week. Through 3 rounds, the Dolphins likely found 3 starters and another who should get significant playing time. There is still time and players available to get us through the next season.

Could we have avoided a hole at RB and WR by re-signing Miller and Matthews? Absolutely. However, Miller and Matthews signed for $6.5 and $5 million per year respectively and the two players drafted to replace them, can easily match their production for $10m+ less. Other than being a threat to break off a 60 yard run, Miller was often a pedestrian running back. Yes, there were stretches during some games where he ran very well and the Dolphins too frequently abandoned the run but maybe, just maybe, there was a reason other than coaching incompetence that it happened. The Hurricanes often abandoned the run while Miller was there as well so maybe those 3 coaching staffs are far more in tuned to what Lamar Miller can and can't do than anyone posting on this site. As far as Matthews is concerned, I liked him and would have like to re-sign him but he is not worth $5m. He has about 100 career catches in 4 years. Drafting a WR in the late 3rd to replace him is not a stretch.

Look at it this way:
The offensive line is now officially fixed. This alone, fixes so many other problems on the offense. Tannehill should be sacked a lot less than 50 times this year. With more time, his accuracy should raise a bit too. The running game should be more effective. There literally is no negative to having a good offensive line.

Their most glaring weakness, CB (2nd biggest weakness was OL), was addressed and if the events of the 2nd round tell us anything, it was addressed by a player that fits the defensive system very well.

With Kenyan Drake, the Dolphins replaced Miller with the best receiving RB that we have had in, well, maybe ever. Although Drake never was a featured back in college, he was extremely explosive whenever he played and seems to be a nice compliment to Ajayi regardless of who starts, not to mention Drake is an elite KR.

With Carroo, the Dolphins have at the very least, replaced Rishard Matthews with a player with a much higher ceiling. Carroo just needs to stay out of trouble.

Let's not forget that this draft is less than half over and if tonight has taught us anything, it is very probable that the Dolphins will not just sit back and draft where they are slotted tomorrow.
 
Will there be many fifth round available players that can contribute? I think lb Travis Feeney and te Tyler Higbee could help. There are still a few guards on the table and Billings the dt might be my favorite player left, but I think he'll be gone early round four. The two positions that might have the most talent left are receiver and running back, but I doubt Miami pulls the trigger on either.
 
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Thank you for the positive outlook. I'm not as upset as some but not as happy as I wanted either. Let's see how these guy play before we start grabbing the pitchforks. Remember 1-2 of our draft picks probably wouldn't have made the team this year so it's not the end of the world. Defense needs work but I'm optimistic. That offense better be damn difficult to stop or there will be problems
 
I actually liked what we did. Carroo for those picks can pay off. 4th rounder was a waste and a panick guess but if we lost Howard( you never know) then the fit with another DB satisfying Joseph would have been a reach anyway.

So for a 1,2,3,3,4,4 and a 6 we got Tunsil, Maxwell,Alonso,Howard,Drake,Caroo. Or you could look at it like giving up 1 and 6 to go up to the very first pick for Tunsil, then 2) Howard 3) Maxwell 3) Alonso 4) Drake 4) Caroo. Now don't we all feel better?
 
We can only hope

If it's only half as bad as some of us feel, I'll be okay lol

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We'll see what happens with this miraculous 5th round pick
 
I really like what we are doing. We have been at or below .500 forever! People butt hurt because we didn't overpay for Miller or Vernon.....meanwhile, we have added young talent at LB and corner in Alonso and Maxwell, then added a solid DE in Williams. We landed a steal in the first round to the O-Line that has been our biggest issue for years. Then we add 3 play makers who all have a love for the game. We need a breath of fresh air after being so stagnant for so long. A new coach and new play makers is exactly what this team needs!
 
My only concern is we need a lot of things to break right for us this season. We need Alonso to stay healthy and Maxwell to play like a stud again. We need Howard, McCain, and Lippett to develop into a good dime package with Alonso. We need Abdul-Quddus to play well. We need Phillips to focus and get on the field. We need Wake's ankle to heal. We need the line, now full of potential to be the Bizarro version of the last few seasons. We need Tanny to show Omar how stoopid most of us think he is. We need Gase to be stoic and learn quickly. And we need more than that to make strides. Not impossible, but likely to happen? I dunno.

I'm not unhappy with the draft, although I'm still smarting over the comp that we gave to get Caroo. I'm actually happy that we addressed a lot of our needs this off-season and I agree with letting Vernon, Miller, and Matthews go for the amounts that they signed for. But I have a big angsty knot building up in my belly that I hope will be gone when I wake up in the morning. I'm willing to withhold any negative judgment until I see what this is going to look like on the field. Thanks for posting. I doubt that it will abate the swirling, sucking eddy of hopelessness and despair that this place has become but it's cool that somebody at least saw a bright side.
 
It feels like the opinions of Finheaven as a whole are swayed by a select few posters who herald themselves as experts on player analysis, or have simply turned blinders on to any decision that has been made because Mike Tannenbaum is attached to each decision.

There's no convincing these people otherwise, but for those of you that are confused or undecided, I just ask you to at least hold out until preseason before you pass judgement on any of the decisions made. Let's see how this new group of coaches - veteran savvy mixed with youthful ambition - gets the most out of this cast of characters that completely gave up on Philbin last year.
 
It feels like the opinions of Finheaven as a whole are swayed by a select few posters who herald themselves as experts on player analysis, or have simply turned blinders on to any decision that has been made because Mike Tannenbaum is attached to each decision.

There's no convincing these people otherwise, but for those of you that are confused or undecided, I just ask you to at least hold out until preseason before you pass judgement on any of the decisions made. Let's see how this new group of coaches - veteran savvy mixed with youthful ambition - gets the most out of this cast of characters that completely gave up on Philbin last year.

Of that there is no doubt.
 
It feels like the opinions of Finheaven as a whole are swayed by a select few posters who herald themselves as experts on player analysis, or have simply turned blinders on to any decision that has been made because Mike Tannenbaum is attached to each decision.

There's no convincing these people otherwise, but for those of you that are confused or undecided, I just ask you to at least hold out until preseason before you pass judgement on any of the decisions made. Let's see how this new group of coaches - veteran savvy mixed with youthful ambition - gets the most out of this cast of characters that completely gave up on Philbin last year.

Couldn't agree more. It's easier to whine!
 
Happens every year. People here do their own mock drafts and get pissed when they're proven their mock was ****. When Miami drafts a player that isn't a name, it's automatically a bad move in the eyes of a lot here. It's literally the same occurrence year in and year out.
 
Thanks for the positive post. I for one am happy with what they got. I am not a scout but after reading about the players we picked they all seem to fit a need and our system. People
Complaining about the trade up for Howard have no idea if Chicago was going to pick him. As soon as the Dolphins took him Chicago traded out. Maybe it is coincidence but I would rather burn a 4th round pick and get the guy who fits the system rather than trying to put a square leg into a round hole. Nobody on this forum has any idea if any of these guys will work out. We all need to relax and wait and see.
 
Happens every year. People here do their own mock drafts and get pissed when they're proven their mock was ****. When Miami drafts a player that isn't a name, it's automatically a bad move in the eyes of a lot here. It's literally the same occurrence year in and year out.
and it doesn't matter who they pick, there is always a group that hates it. The draft is a crapshoot in every round, you just have to wait and see.
 
I for one have loved this draft. Tunsil is a stud, Howard aparently a great scheme fit, drake is a playmaker (i actually think ajayi with a good oline has a chance to be really good) and caroo looks like a stud. What i like the most is the aparent "personality" of players we drafted. Like grier said ALPHA MALES. We need some mean streak and love for football. Caroo again dont love the compensation but qont bitch about it. Rather go get your guy with conviction than sit in your ass, i believ the patriots wanted caroo as well. Best young wr core in the league! I for one have loved this entire offseason. Very deliberate and thought out, and hell a little luck is bever bad. (Tunsil)
 
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