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PhinFan0202

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Both sides need to get this deal done a little faster because it's not helping anyone to disagree. Allen wants a 5 year deal and the Dolphins want a 6 year deal right? Why don't they just put the option for a 6th year in his contract? It's probably about more than just the amount of time that he wants to sign for as well. I understand Jason Allen is trying to get paid but seriously it's annoying as hell. All of the 1st rounders who haven't played a single down in the NFL get wayyyy to much power when it comes to negotiations.
 
im gonna have to say i completely agree with you, there rookies, thats why i think so many vets hate havin rookies come in, they are in experienced and they want too much power, good post
 
PhinFan0202 said:
Both sides need to get this deal done a little faster because it's not helping anyone to disagree. Allen wants a 5 year deal and the Dolphins want a 6 year deal right? Why don't they just put the option for a 6th year in his contract? It's probably about more than just the amount of time that he wants to sign for as well. I understand Jason Allen is trying to get paid but seriously it's annoying as hell. All of the 1st rounders who haven't played a single down in the NFL get wayyyy to much power when it comes to negotiations.

That statement is funny in how seriously not true it is...

Weapons at the disposal of a draft pick include 1) training camp holdout, 2) signing a series of one year tenders, and 3) re-entering the next year's draft.

Options 2 and 3 are pyrrhic in nature. If you hold out the full year and re-enter, your rep goes to **** and your draft standing probably gets severely downgraded. If you sign a series of one year tenders you transfer ALL injury risk onto yourself, with no cushion.

Option 1 is basically their only weapon that keeps teams from running rough shod all over them in negotiations...and make NO mistake that is exactly what Miami is doing to Jason Allen. The market has clearly been set at a 5 year contract, and Nick Saban brazenly says he doesn't care what other clubs do he only cares what his club does. They're asking for a 6 year deal even though the rest of the clubs picking around us have all given 5 year deals. That's running rough shod over the player right there.

From the team's point of view, the player holding out is just one player. The team has many more players and can easily replace the holdout with someone else who maybe isn't quite as good but is still workable.

From the player's point of view, where is he going to get money if not from the team? The team controls his entire financial destiny.

Way too MUCH power? Rookies practically have none.
 
ckparrothead said:
That statement is funny in how seriously not true it is...

Weapons at the disposal of a draft pick include 1) training camp holdout, 2) signing a series of one year tenders, and 3) re-entering the next year's draft.

Options 2 and 3 are pyrrhic in nature. If you hold out the full year and re-enter, your rep goes to **** and your draft standing probably gets severely downgraded. If you sign a series of one year tenders you transfer ALL injury risk onto yourself, with no cushion.

Option 1 is basically their only weapon that keeps teams from running rough shod all over them in negotiations...and make NO mistake that is exactly what Miami is doing to Jason Allen. The market has clearly been set at a 5 year contract, and Nick Saban brazenly says he doesn't care what other clubs do he only cares what his club does. They're asking for a 6 year deal even though the rest of the clubs picking around us have all given 5 year deals. That's running rough shod over the player right there.

From the team's point of view, the player holding out is just one player. The team has many more players and can easily replace the holdout with someone else who maybe isn't quite as good but is still workable.

From the player's point of view, where is he going to get money if not from the team? The team controls his entire financial destiny.

Way too MUCH power? Rookies practically have none.

Despite having other players to fill in when Allen isn't there it's not like they don't want him there. As far as i can tell the organization wants the best possible players to be out on the field so that they have the best chance of winning. They want him to be there as bad as he wants to have his contract done the way he wants to which gives him some leverage because the organization wants something that he has which is his talent.
 
PhinFan0202 said:
Despite having other players to fill in when Allen isn't there it's not like they don't want him there. As far as i can tell the organization wants the best possible players to be out on the field so that they have the best chance of winning. They want him to be there as bad as he wants to have his contract done the way he wants to which gives him some leverage because the organization wants something that he has which is his talent.

And how is that too much leverage? Are you saying that rookies should not have the right to withhold their services if the team is trying to run rampant over them in contract negotiations?

That would be downright silly.
 
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ckparrothead said:
And how is that too much leverage? Are you saying that rookies should not have the right to withhold their services if the team is trying to run rampant over them in contract negotiations?

That would be downright silly.

I'm not saying that they don't have the right to withhold their services but at the same time it's not constructive for both sides when a player holds out. The player misses valuable playing time and information and the organization is missing chances to help develop a player. Jason Allen has every right to do what he wants but IMO if you look at the overall picture it would help everyone if both sides could work to get the deal got done a little faster.
 
I dont think rookies have too much power by any means, but their contracts are rediculous. Someone needs to put a cap on these contracts ASAP.
 
I hate to say it but this holdout is the Dolphins fault and not Jason Allens. Every player around him signed 5 year deals the phins are being greedy trying to get the 6th year sign the 5 like everyone else and everyone wins
 
PhinFan0202 said:
I'm not saying that they don't have the right to withhold their services but at the same time it's not constructive for both sides when a player holds out. The player misses valuable playing time and information and the organization is missing chances to help develop a player. Jason Allen has every right to do what he wants but IMO if you look at the overall picture it would help everyone if both sides could work to get the deal got done a little faster.

From Jason Allen's point of view, it isn't constructive for the team to make unruly contract demands that aren't supported by precedent.
 
This is why the nfl needs to adopt the system the nba uses to pay rookies so we can put an end to these ridiculous holdouts.:tantrum:
 
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