Just let this sink in for a minute

[WinterIsComing]

Wrap your head around this fact. The six lowest scoring teams in the NFL this season are:

1. San Francisco
2. St. Louis
3. Tennessee
4. Dallas
5. Cleveland
6. Miami

Now consider the QBs of these teams and the QB situation of each team in general.

1. The 9ers started Kaepernick for most of the season. He played horribly and was benched in favor of BLAINE GABBERT!

2. The Rams started Nick Foles, who put up huge numbers last season in the same system Lazor employed mind you, was benched in favor of Case Keenum.

3. Tennessee has started a rookie for most of the season. He missed some time with injury. So they have employed a QB combo of rookie Marcus Mariota/Zach Mettenberger for all 11 games.

4. Dallas lost their starter due to injury after just 3 games. Since that time, the proceeded to lose 7 straight behind BRANDON WEEDEN, who was benched in the middle of that 7 game stretch for Matt Cassel. Dallas has barely managed to score 200 points in 11 games despite THE BEST OL IN THE LEAGUE!!!

5. Cleveland has played most of their games with a starting QB of Josh McCown. During his injury, they played Johnny Manziel at QB. They are currently playing Austin Davis.

6. The Dolphins have started the same QB for all 11 of their games. No other QB has taken a snap for the Dolphins.

Does anything standout? Like a sore thumb, of the teams who can not score points in the NFL, the Dolphins are the only one who has not had issues at QB this season. By issues, I obviously am not referring to poor play. I mean either injuries, benching, or both. Dallas had a good QB, but despite that awesome OL, they just could not generate any points with the backups they have rotated in and out.

Of those 6 teams, only the Titans and Dolphins have truly stuck with their starting QB. The Titans have likely only been so supportive of their starter because he is a rookie. So why have the Dolphins been so insistent on sticking with Tannehill? I can not figure it out. It seems as though any other team struggling so badly to score would give another QB an opportunity. What makes Tannehill so special in the minds of the Dolphins FO and staff? He is not a rookie. He is in his 4th season. Why are there not more expectations out of him? I just can not understand what the Dolphins are thinking.

Lastly, consider that of the 225 points the Dolphins have scored, 82 of them came in a 2 game stretch vs. Tennessee and Houston. That means in the other 9 games, the Dolphins have scored 143 points. That is not even 16 points per game. That is fairly close to the scoring average that the 49ers have generated with Kaepernick/Gabbert.

It is just really bad QB play no matter how you slice it. Even if you consider every other variable in the equation to be sub-par, whether it be coaching or OL, it still equals very bad QB play. Only teams with some of the worst QB play in the league score on levels this low. Yet, every other team in the league seems to hold the QB accountable when this happens, except for the one that is starting a rookie.

How can Tannehill be considered on the level of good and average QBs that get bantered about, when his scoring numbers consistently group him in with some of the leagues worst players at the position? Guys produce more points than Tannehill does and get benched for it. Why are the Dolphins the only team that would seem to believe they should stand pat at the QB position with this type of scoring production?

 

[Hayden Fox]

That is why RT needs to have success to end the season. Five games is a lot of time to turn things around.

 

[Krateness]

The only thing that stands out, is that truly this is just another thread that is going to keep the same continuous circle of discussion that is taking place in 5 to 6 other threads. You think he blows, we think otherwise.

Starting up a thread every 5 minutes to discuss the same thing going on in countless other threads is just pointless...

 

[Travis34]

"Even if you consider every other variable, coaching / OL, it still is bad qb play"

F***ing revolutionary man. Who would think bad coaches and a bad line would equal an anemic offense. This has totally been the thread to change my opinion on our qb!!!

A lot of effort into this post trying to throw shade at Tannehill and wow.... Just wow.

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The only thing that stands out, is that truly this is just another thread that is going to keep the same continuous circle of discussion that is taking place in 5 to 6 other threads. You think he blows, we think otherwise.

Starting up a thread every 5 minutes to discuss the same thing going on in countless other threads is just pointless...

Exactly

 

[Krateness]

F***ing revolutionary man. Who would think bad coaches and a bad line would equal an anemic offense. This has totally been the thread to change my opinion on our qb!!!

A lot of effort into this post trying to throw shade at Tannehill and wow.... Just wow.

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Exactly

What kills me is the fact that some try so hard to just act like the QB was the problem and totally denounce that the entire scheme was absolute trash.

I'm sorry, I don't care who you ask. If someone says that throwing the ball 6 times for every single time you call 1 running play is the key to success, you shouldn't be taking their advice. Everyone knows that throwing the ball 60 times is moronic...

Then act like the offensive line is in any what way helping. Rolling snaps back to your QB in shotgun and refusing to put him under center to solve the problem. In what realm does any of that make good football sense? I mean really...

 

[SoCal Finatic]

 

[WinterIsComing]

F***ing revolutionary man. Who would think bad coaches and a bad line would equal an anemic offense. This has totally been the thread to change my opinion on our qb!!!

A lot of effort into this post trying to throw shade at Tannehill and wow.... Just wow.

You're missing the point. The point is that even teams with bad coaching and bad OLs do not produce points at this low of a level. It seems as though the only other teams lacking production on this level all seem to have QB play that has warranted benching. That is the point.

I would debate that our OL is really bad, but it does not matter. I could grant that point to anyone who cares to use it as an excuse for Tannehill's inept play and the point still stands that any other QB would be held accountable for point production this low.

 

[WinterIsComing]

What kills me is the fact that some try so hard to just act like the QB was the problem and totally denounce that the entire scheme was absolute trash.

I'm sorry, I don't care who you ask. If someone says that throwing the ball 6 times for every single time you call 1 running play is the key to success, you shouldn't be taking their advice. Everyone knows that throwing the ball 60 times is moronic...

Then act like the offensive line is in any what way helping. Rolling snaps back to your QB in shotgun and refusing to put him under center to solve the problem. In what realm does any of that make good football sense? I mean really...

The Philadelphia Eagles are using a very similar offensive system and yet they seem to generate more points with QBs named Bradford and Sanchez. Tannehill fails to indicate he is better than those QBs with his production.

 

[Krateness]

You're missing the point. The point is that even teams with bad coaching and bad OLs do not produce points at this low of a level. It seems as though the only other teams lacking production on this level all seem to have QB play that has warranted benching. That is the point.

I would debate that our OL is really bad, but it does not matter. I could grant that point to anyone who cares to use it as an excuse for Tannehill's inept play and the point still stands that any other QB would be held accountable for point production this low.

Unless that everyone else can see as plain as day like we can that it's more than just his playing, it's that the whole scheme is trash. As I said before, no coach should willingly throw the ball 60 times and expect to win. You need balance, we have NONE...

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The Philadelphia Eagles are using a very similar offensive system and yet they seem to generate more points with QBs named Bradford and Sanchez. Tannehill fails to indicate he is better than those QBs with his production.

And remind me, what is their record again? Perhaps its because they have more balance in actually RUNNING THE BALL!!!

 

[Travis34]

The Eagles play with tempo which makes a huge difference

And also this gem you just posted "we have a really bad OL, but it does not matter?" What in the literal f***? I can't even count the times a nice drive has been derailed by bad OL play & penalties

 

[FinfanInBuffalo]

You're missing the point. The point is that even teams with bad coaching and bad OLs do not produce points at this low of a level. It seems as though the only other teams lacking production on this level all seem to have QB play that has warranted benching. That is the point.

I would debate that our OL is really bad, but it does not matter. I could grant that point to anyone who cares to use it as an excuse for Tannehill's inept play and the point still stands that any other QB would be held accountable for point production this low.

Should Teddy Bridgewater be benched? He has the league's leading rusher and the Vikings have scored 6 more points than the Dolphins. Of course, they've allowed 93 fewer points too, but does that matter?

Tannehill is tied for 10th in the league in TD passes.

 

[WinterIsComing]

Should Teddy Bridgewater be benched? He has the league's leading rusher and the Vikings have scored 6 more points than the Dolphins. Of course, they've allowed 93 fewer points too, but does that matter?

Tannehill is tied for 10th in the league in TD passes.

Bridgewater is certainly not playing well. He is also not the reason for the Vikings success this year. However, Bridgewater is not killing them and he is making some plays when it matters.

Are you saying that Tannehill's play is on par with Bridgewater's?

As for how few points the Vikings defense is allowing, consider how few points the Dolphins defense allowed in 2013. What was the Dolphins record again that season? Did the Dolphins qualify for the playoffs that season as the Vikings will do this year?

 

[Krateness]

I mean just let this sink in for a minute...

Tannehill is:

8th in total yardage
8th in total attempts
10th (tied) in TDS
7th (Tied) in INTS
9th in yards per game
21st in completion percentage (62%)
20th in rate
18th in yards per attempt
2nd (Tied) in 40+ yard plays
8th in 20+ yard plays

Now what about any of that says that he sucks? or should be benched?

Rate is what it is and I expect him to finish higher that his rate of 92.4 last year.

62% completion is still damn good, especially with the fact that he added distance to his game this year.

Yards per attempt for him is also up from last year's 6.9ypa. You want to see progression, it's there. You just have to stop looking the bottom of that glass of haterade long enough to actually see it.

And before you mention it, every QB adds to their stats in "garbage time". It's not an exclusive club to be in...

 

[whizafriz]

Can't blame anemic offense on just the QB. I know it seems enticing to pin down the scapegoat, and the fact that Tannehill isn't exactly a gunslinging winner certainly puts the spotlight on him, but there are so many terrible things going on around him, the playcalls, the inability to audible at great lengths, the forced passing game that clogs up the short-game -- it's all a giant fiasco. Yeah he should be escaping the pocket more, using his legs, hitting guys in stride more often, I'm right there with calling him out on those things, but to have THAT low-scoring average is part of a huge offensive/personnel mis-philosophy.

 

[Philbin's Polo]

What kills me is the fact that some try so hard to just act like the QB was the problem and totally denounce that the entire scheme was absolute trash.

I'm sorry, I don't care who you ask. If someone says that throwing the ball 6 times for every single time you call 1 running play is the key to success, you shouldn't be taking their advice. Everyone knows that throwing the ball 60 times is moronic...

Then act like the offensive line is in any what way helping. Rolling snaps back to your QB in shotgun and refusing to put him under center to solve the problem. In what realm does any of that make good football sense? I mean really...

I'm with this. I don't think that RT was put in a position to succeed and I think that the run game should be the identity of this offense. The problem is that RT doesn't fit well with that. If we're going to be a power run team (which is what I think we need, others may disagree) we need a QB that is a threat to take the top off of a defense with the deep play action game. That doesn't jive with RT's physical abilities. I just don't see him as a good fit for the roster that is around him.