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K.C. Joyners : Take on Long and others

So if guys don't play great their first ever game than their not worthy of the 1st round pick. I realize he said he still could be but instant gratification on everything is pathetic. So Farve wasn't exactly stellar so was he a wasted pickup? I don't get why negative is the first reaction to things that actually look good.
 
the question with Long is and always has been his feet. I think thats what the author was referring too. He's not going to be a bust by any means but seeing how he loses balance and has trouble with speed and change of direction its hard to imagine him being a top 5 or 10 left tackle. if he's not top 5 in a couple of years, then he didnt deserve to go number 1 overall. Still early though and he's shown enough that there is no reason to close the book on him just yet
 
the question with Long is and always has been his feet. I think thats what the author was referring too. He's not going to be a bust by any means but seeing how he loses balance and has trouble with speed and change of direction its hard to imagine him being a top 5 or 10 left tackle. if he's not top 5 in a couple of years, then he didnt deserve to go number 1 overall. Still early though and he's shown enough that there is no reason to close the book on him just yet

I agree. #1 overall should always be a hall of fame type talent. If you're not drafting a guy with that in mind, then you're doing it wrong. It's way too early to tell about Jake at this point, but the weaknesses everyone knew he had were certainly evident on Sunday. Hopefully, the coaches are still working on how to cover those up.
 
http://www.palmbeachpost.com/blogs/...008/09/13/long_doesnt_look_anything_like.html

It's nice to see others saw what i saw doing the game.Hope it was just a 1st game kind of thing:unsure:


So you are pleased bc others see what you saw and agree that Jake Long was not a good player game 1? I would think people would hope the so called experts would see lots of potential in game 1 and say he was good. Although on this site people are happier if they can say they were right then if Miami has a good team.
 
I Think The Lins As A Whole Looked Bad And People Took It Out On Jake. U Guys Have 2 Understand That Chad The Little Girl Arm Pennington Is Making Our Whole Team Look Bad. The Jets Stated That They Dont Trunst Chads Arm And There Gonna Blitz Him All Day Long. So Its A Little Hard For Jake When He Has 2 Pick Up 2 Or 3 Guys Early And Often.

Chads Weak Arm Effects Jake Cause The Jets Were Blitzing Heavy

Chads Weak Arm Effects Ronnie And Ricky Cause Teams Will Stack 8 And 9 Men In The Box

Chads Weak Arm Makes Ginn Look Bad Cause Chad Defintly Cant Reach Him Donw The Feild.
But U Guys Here Love Chad And I Have No Idea Why, Cause He Is Accurate Throwning The Ball 5 Yards Down The Feild. U Have 2 Be Kidding Me.
 
So a guy who wrote a book about the LT position being overrated thinks using a #1 pick on an LT is a bad decision? Shocking.
 
I'm so sick of hearing that Jake Long does not have the feet to handle speed rushers. It is a myth. He has no problem getting in front of speed guys. He sometimes runs into trouble because he gets too aggressive and lunges at his guy and he gets off balance. He has a technique problem, not a lack of athleticisim problem. He will get it straightened out with experience.
 
I Think The Lins As A Whole Looked Bad And People Took It Out On Jake. U Guys Have 2 Understand That Chad The Little Girl Arm Pennington Is Making Our Whole Team Look Bad. The Jets Stated That They Dont Trunst Chads Arm And There Gonna Blitz Him All Day Long. So Its A Little Hard For Jake When He Has 2 Pick Up 2 Or 3 Guys Early And Often.

Chads Weak Arm Effects Jake Cause The Jets Were Blitzing Heavy

Chads Weak Arm Effects Ronnie And Ricky Cause Teams Will Stack 8 And 9 Men In The Box

Chads Weak Arm Makes Ginn Look Bad Cause Chad Defintly Cant Reach Him Donw The Feild.
But U Guys Here Love Chad And I Have No Idea Why, Cause He Is Accurate Throwning The Ball 5 Yards Down The Feild. U Have 2 Be Kidding Me.
I guess you are smarter than Henning.
 
I agree. #1 overall should always be a hall of fame type talent. If you're not drafting a guy with that in mind, then you're doing it wrong. It's way too early to tell about Jake at this point, but the weaknesses everyone knew he had were certainly evident on Sunday. Hopefully, the coaches are still working on how to cover those up.


Really? I watched the game twice and Jake made a couple of mistakes as you'd expect from a rookie especially playing LT, but he also made some damn impressive plays.

Here's a couple,

Chad's in the shotgun, TE split out wide to the left, covering the TE is Vernon Gholston, the ball is snapped and Gholston lets the TE go and Blitzes. Jake has his primary block under control, at full speed Gholston has no one on him coming down hard on Chad's blindside, to get to Chad untouched he has to get by Jake who's rather busy. Jake sees Vernon out of the corner of his eye coming full speed and Jake shoves his primary block into the pile and turns and launches his body fully extended at Gholston and gets his hands on Gholston at the last second. Gholston was able to get a hand on Chad, but Chad gets lose and throws an incomplete pass.

Now you can look at the play any way you like, but Jake is a rookie who had enough awareness to mkae a play to save his QB's *** and keep the play alive.

Play number 2, inside the Jets 5, it's a pass play Jake is lined up across from 8 year pro 6-5 285lb DE Shaun Ellis, at the snap of the ball Jake lands a monster punch that stands Ellis straight up and Shaun was neutralised in his tracks, Jake had help from Smiley but didn't need it as Smiley turned away from the block and looked to help elsewhere.

Now that's just two plays, but there were no sacks against Jake, and he pass blocked very, very well. Fans and so called "Experts" can see whatever they want but I watch the games too, and I replay the plays over and over and whatch each positin on the same play multiple times and Jake had himself a real nice debut, IMO.

And BTW, I have a real problem with these "Experts" who say Miami only had one bright spot in that game, yet we were one catch away from winning a game. Sounds like a rather uneducated or plain bias view of the fatcs. Anyone who thinks the Jets should have beaten us easily because we were 1-15 last year is simply ignorant. We have not only changed half the roster, we've made quite an upgrade to the FO and coaching staff so we aren't anywheres close to that team, so why are we going to be treated as such? I know we need to prove we're better before we get the respect, but how ignorant do people have to be to know we don't have the same players or FO this team has last year?
 
Jake needs to step up big for this Arizona game. I want to see him flash ALL the talent he's got. Dolphin Nation will feel a lot better if we feel like we got a rock solid Olineman out of the draft ... an anchor on the Oline for a LONG time.

I want to see him pancake some dudes. I want to see him stay super disciplined. If you're getting beat, don't be tripping or holding. This isn't college football. The refs in the NFL are gonna bust him. The refs like their jobs and they are very well paid, so not much is going to get past them ... usually.

Jake needs to make sure he watches lots of game film and has a good idea of ALL the moves the Dlinemen he's going to face might be trying on him. He needs to learn who his opponents are in a hurry. He'll face the best in the business this year. I want Jake to be that damned new guy on the Dolphins Oline that drives the opposing defenses crazy because they can't get around him no matter what they try. :)
 
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