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KC Joyner believes WR situation is better than generally thought

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Check out this article by KC Joyner. He believes the Dolphins WR core is pretty good as is. In fact, he thinks Ginn has the tools to be solid #1 and that Cam is a solid #2 and provides some numbers to back up his opinion.

http://fifthdown.blogs.nytimes.com/...speaking-dolphins-dont-need-wideout-in-draft/

Here's an excerpt:

KC Joyner said:
I’m in the middle of Dolphins breakdowns this week, and the one thing that both my scouting and metric eyes keep seeing over and over again is that their wide receiver situation is a lot better than generally thought


For example, to give you an idea of how good Ted Ginn, Jr. is, consider this: His 8.8 YPA ranked 18th among wideouts with 80 or more pass attempts. He actually ranked 17th in YPA of WRs with 90 or more passes, but since he had only 90 attempts, I didn’t want to skew his ranking by setting him right at the bottom bar. He doesn’t need stat gimmicks to show that he truly is that good and has the skills to be a solid #1.
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i actually feel the same way.. i mean we could use another WR but nothing with the first 3 picks unless some one drops that we cant pass up on.
 
I agreed with his statement about our needing a CB over a WR, but I disagree that Ginn is a true #1. At this point, I'd say he has above average hands and clearly above average speed. And that's about it. Nothing else in his weapons cache scares anybody. True #1s are usually more well-rounded in their skill set and can beat you in multiple ways--because they have to as a D will game plan for them.

TG has plenty of things to improve upon and I hope he can do that in 2009. He would be sick in a Alvin Harper type role if we had a Michael Irvin type on the roster. I think the FO thought Wilford could be a poor man's version of Irvin, and we see they missed the mark on that one a bit. Maybe London or a draft pick will fill that role.

Other than that, the role players we have at WR are probably good enough to win a championship with. They get open, have good hands, and play smart football. But our first line threat at WR needs to continue to grow if he wants to be "the man." If Ginn isn't that by April 2010, and nobody else has stepped up, we need to draft one.
 
i believe that ginn is going to be better than santanio holmes. with that said we need a hakeem nicks or boldin to play the other side to play the role of hines ward. I think hakeem is going to last till our second pick... watch!!
 
I firmly believe Ginn can be a #1 WR. The problem is CP doesn't have the arm strength to utilize Ted's #1 strenth, his SPEED. Until we have a starting QB who can throw the ball farther than 40 yards we will never know.
I believe we are also set with 2 better than average slot receivers in Bess and Camarillo. Camarillo will always be considered a poor man's Wes Welker, but I think Bess has an upside of that equal to or greater than that of Welker.
The onle hole I believe we have in our WR corps is the tall red zone posession receiver. We all know what an atrocious year Wilford had last year never being able to make the game day roster, hopefully he can get his act together, or Brandon London can be the threat we are looking for. That being said we have two very good TE's in Fasano and Marting who are able to pick up the slack from time to time, but who are we kidding. We need a red zone receiver.
All in all I don't see our FO drafting a WR the first day, we just need to many defensive players. We could be losing 4 DB's next year to FA, Ferguson isn't getting any younger, and we all know Parcells love affair with pass rushing LB's. I look for the FO to pull the trigger on 1DB, 1LB, and 1DT the first day, coupled with BPA picks the second day.
 
Chad Henne thinks Ted Ginn Jr. is a No.1 and then some. Afterall its Ginn's fault Henne was a 2nd round pick.

Ginn was a huge reason Chad Henne just couldn't beat OSU.
 
I fully agree with KC on this. I think that Miami will wait until later on in Day 2 to take a WR. And they may take a TE before they take a WR. If you get a Brandon Pettigrew, Cornelius Ingram, James Casey or Shawn Nelson, you don't need to focus on just getting yourself a really big WR for the red zone. You can go out and get the guy you have the highest grade on...like Johnny Knox or Dudley Guice, Dominique Edison or especially Brooks Foster.
 
mnphinfan said:
I firmly believe Ginn can be a #1 WR. The problem is CP doesn't have the arm strength to utilize Ted's #1 strenth, his SPEED. Until we have a starting QB who can throw the ball farther than 40 yards we will never know.
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LOL. Never heard this one before. Why dont we just trade for Jamarcus Russell. Man, that guy can launch it like 80 yards. Ginn would be unstoppable.
 
ZachThomas76 said:
LOL. Never heard this one before. Why dont we just trade for Jamarcus Russell. Man, that guy can launch it like 80 yards. Ginn would be unstoppable.
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Becasue Russell isn't and never will be a good NFL QB. Look at last year, Ginn made it behind defenders a couple of time and CP underthrew him. If Ginn wouldn't have had to wait for the ball they would have been for sure TD's. Also there were a few more times Ginn was behind the DB's and CP didn't throw the ball because he knew he couldn't get it there. There is no better play showing CP's lack of armstrength than his throw to Cobbs against the Texans which came from the Wildcat option-pitch from Williams to CP. Cobbs was wide open 40 yards downfield and he actually had to stop and wait for the ball.

Now I'm not saying we should bench CP for Henne, because Henne has a stronger arm. I think CP should be the QB until Henne is either as good as or a better QB option. But if you are trying to tell me that CP's lack of arm strenth has no bearing on Ginn's ability to make plays downfield that is assinign.
 
ZachThomas76 said:
LOL. Never heard this one before. Why dont we just trade for Jamarcus Russell. Man, that guy can launch it like 80 yards. Ginn would be unstoppable.
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I heard United just announced if there were no empty seats next to someone that is obese they would have to pay for 2 seats. If all airlines adopt this I'm not sure Miami would want the extra expense with Russell :chuckle:
 
ckparrothead said:
I fully agree with KC on this. I think that Miami will wait until later on in Day 2 to take a WR. And they may take a TE before they take a WR. If you get a Brandon Pettigrew, Cornelius Ingram, James Casey or Shawn Nelson, you don't need to focus on just getting yourself a really big WR for the red zone. You can go out and get the guy you have the highest grade on...like Johnny Knox or Dudley Guice, Dominique Edison or especially Brooks Foster.
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Excellent post.

And funny how some of the best football minds see Ginn far differently than many people on this board!

Hmm...

Thanks, CK.

LD
 
FinHopeful said:
I disagree with you because you fail to say why. Note: I neither confirm nor deny support for Ginn as a #1.
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He isn't a number one because he isn't a great route runner. He doesn't have idea size. We have lesser talented receivers either out performing or performing at the same level. A number one receiver isn't just about the long passes. They also catch short passes and turn them into big plays. I think Ginn is a better athlete than a football player.
 
mnphinfan said:
Becasue Russell isn't and never will be a good NFL QB. Look at last year, Ginn made it behind defenders a couple of time and CP underthrew him. If Ginn wouldn't have had to wait for the ball they would have been for sure TD's. Also there were a few more times Ginn was behind the DB's and CP didn't throw the ball because he knew he couldn't get it there. There is no better play showing CP's lack of armstrength than his throw to Cobbs against the Texans which came from the Wildcat option-pitch from Williams to CP. Cobbs was wide open 40 yards downfield and he actually had to stop and wait for the ball.

Now I'm not saying we should bench CP for Henne, because Henne has a stronger arm. I think CP should be the QB until Henne is either as good as or a better QB option. But if you are trying to tell me that CP's lack of arm strength has no bearing on Ginn's ability to make plays downfield that is asinine.
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Not only asinine but a dead giveway that they don't really know what is going on on the field or haven't been trained to understand the game of football.

Sparano's answer to CP's lack of arm strength affecting Ginn: "You think we're not aware of that?"

lol. of course.

Ginn would already be in pro bowl consideration if he had a QB that could throw to the vertical thirds with any accuracy at all.

LD
 
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