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Killing Time/Was the Defense the Main Contributor in Major Losses in 2003?

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A little research using ESPN and MrNFL, it is my opinion that the lack of execution on our foundation (Defensive unit) in 2003 was the biggest contributing factor in our losses against teams with a winning record. Now in 2002, our Defensive unit caved in the last 2 games of the season when we needed them to show up, against the Vikings and the Patriots.

This somehow started to show a weakness in our highly rated Defense, and it continued in 2003 with the loss against Houston, showing its inconsistency too many times. To me, this was unacceptable, especially where the money on this team was allocated to. Some of what I deemed important stats is shown below; of course they might not show an overall picture of the team’s effort, but the outcome…

Our QBs and the Defense were equally effective in winning 5 out of 7 games against +.500 opponents in 2002

Our Offense and Defense combined in ensuring TOP in 4 of those games…
Our QBs threw for an average 7.06 YPA, and only threw a combined 4 INTS…
Our Offensive unit scored a total of 13 TDs…
The OL gave up 56% of the sacks in these games (14 sacks out of 25 in the year)…
Ricky averaged 3.53 YPA, even though he was the best RB in 2002, against better competition he had average numbers. Against the rest of the opponents that year he averaged 5.46 YPA…
Our Defense had 11 INTS and gave up 9 TDs combined…

Our QBs and the Defense were equally at fault for the team’s losses against 5 out of 7, +.500 opponents in 2003

Our Offense and Defense combined in ensuring TOP on only 3 of those games…
Our QBs threw for an average 6.16 YPA, and threw a combined 10 INTS. Even though they were not all returned for TDs, I believe 2 were (against the Bills and Green Bay). The only significant INT came against NE in December…
Our Offensive unit scored a total of 11 TDs…
The OL gave up 55% of the sacks in these games (17 sacks out of 31 in the year)…
Ricky averaged 3.8 YPA in those losses and 6.46 YPA in the 2 victories…
Our Defense had 6 INTS and gave up 14 TDs combined; 3 TDs against the Titans, the Cowboys, and 4 TDs against the Eagles in one game in December, when the season was on the line. A total of 10 TDs (70% of the TDs) in 3 games, giving up the big play at the most inopportune time was the only thing that our foundation was consistent on…

In closing we can debate that missing FG kicks, and the INTs were equally instrumental, but I feel that the foundation of your team is your bread and butter. That foundation had a very rough year in 2003 against superior opponents, and the cracks were showing in late 2002…

Here is to a better year, where I hope our foundation has been given the proper support, after all Saban is a Defensive coach…
 
Disnardo said:
A little research using ESPN and MrNFL, it is my opinion that the lack of execution on our foundation (Defensive unit) in 2003 was the biggest contributing factor in our losses against teams with a winning record. Now in 2002, our Defensive unit caved in the last 2 games of the season when we needed them to show up, against the Vikings and the Patriots.

This somehow started to show a weakness in our highly rated Defense, and it continued in 2003 with the loss against Houston, showing its inconsistency too many times. To me, this was unacceptable, especially where the money on this team was allocated to. Some of what I deemed important stats is shown below; of course they might not show an overall picture of the team’s effort, but the outcome…

Our QBs and the Defense were equally effective in winning 5 out of 7 games against +.500 opponents in 2002

Our Offense and Defense combined in ensuring TOP in 4 of those games…
Our QBs threw for an average 7.06 YPA, and only threw a combined 4 INTS…
Our Offensive unit scored a total of 13 TDs…
The OL gave up 56% of the sacks in these games (14 sacks out of 25 in the year)…
Ricky averaged 3.53 YPA, even though he was the best RB in 2002, against better competition he had average numbers. Against the rest of the opponents that year he averaged 5.46 YPA…
Our Defense had 11 INTS and gave up 9 TDs combined…

Our QBs and the Defense were equally at fault for the team’s losses against 5 out of 7, +.500 opponents in 2003

Our Offense and Defense combined in ensuring TOP on only 3 of those games…
Our QBs threw for an average 6.16 YPA, and threw a combined 10 INTS. Even though they were not all returned for TDs, I believe 2 were (against the Bills and Green Bay). The only significant INT came against NE in December…
Our Offensive unit scored a total of 11 TDs…
The OL gave up 55% of the sacks in these games (17 sacks out of 31 in the year)…
Ricky averaged 3.8 YPA in those losses and 6.46 YPA in the 2 victories…
Our Defense had 6 INTS and gave up 14 TDs combined; 3 TDs against the Titans, the Cowboys, and 4 TDs against the Eagles in one game in December, when the season was on the line. A total of 10 TDs (70% of the TDs) in 3 games, giving up the big play at the most inopportune time was the only thing that our foundation was consistent on…

In closing we can debate that missing FG kicks, and the INTs were equally instrumental, but I feel that the foundation of your team is your bread and butter. That foundation had a very rough year in 2003 against superior opponents, and the cracks were showing in late 2002…

Here is to a better year, where I hope our foundation has been given the proper support, after all Saban is a Defensive coach…

:eek: Someone was bored...
 
Disnardo said:
A little research using ESPN and MrNFL, it is my opinion that the lack of execution on our foundation (Defensive unit) in 2003 was the biggest contributing factor in our losses against teams with a winning record. Now in 2002, our Defensive unit caved in the last 2 games of the season when we needed them to show up, against the Vikings and the Patriots.

This somehow started to show a weakness in our highly rated Defense, and it continued in 2003 with the loss against Houston, showing its inconsistency too many times. To me, this was unacceptable, especially where the money on this team was allocated to. Some of what I deemed important stats is shown below; of course they might not show an overall picture of the team’s effort, but the outcome…

Our QBs and the Defense were equally effective in winning 5 out of 7 games against +.500 opponents in 2002

Our Offense and Defense combined in ensuring TOP in 4 of those games…
Our QBs threw for an average 7.06 YPA, and only threw a combined 4 INTS…
Our Offensive unit scored a total of 13 TDs…
The OL gave up 56% of the sacks in these games (14 sacks out of 25 in the year)…
Ricky averaged 3.53 YPA, even though he was the best RB in 2002, against better competition he had average numbers. Against the rest of the opponents that year he averaged 5.46 YPA…
Our Defense had 11 INTS and gave up 9 TDs combined…

Our QBs and the Defense were equally at fault for the team’s losses against 5 out of 7, +.500 opponents in 2003

Our Offense and Defense combined in ensuring TOP on only 3 of those games…
Our QBs threw for an average 6.16 YPA, and threw a combined 10 INTS. Even though they were not all returned for TDs, I believe 2 were (against the Bills and Green Bay). The only significant INT came against NE in December…
Our Offensive unit scored a total of 11 TDs…
The OL gave up 55% of the sacks in these games (17 sacks out of 31 in the year)…
Ricky averaged 3.8 YPA in those losses and 6.46 YPA in the 2 victories…
Our Defense had 6 INTS and gave up 14 TDs combined; 3 TDs against the Titans, the Cowboys, and 4 TDs against the Eagles in one game in December, when the season was on the line. A total of 10 TDs (70% of the TDs) in 3 games, giving up the big play at the most inopportune time was the only thing that our foundation was consistent on…

In closing we can debate that missing FG kicks, and the INTs were equally instrumental, but I feel that the foundation of your team is your bread and butter. That foundation had a very rough year in 2003 against superior opponents, and the cracks were showing in late 2002…

Here is to a better year, where I hope our foundation has been given the proper support, after all Saban is a Defensive coach…
nice read man way to do your homework no doubt that loss to houston was terrible it just made me sick.that is one reason i am so glad we have saban now cause this guy is a defensive guru.
 
TRUDOLFAN54 said:
nice read man way to do your homework no doubt that loss to houston was terrible it just made me sick.that is one reason i am so glad we have saban now cause this guy is a defensive guru.

And just as importantly, a DISCIPLINE guru.
 
It was the run defense for the hundred thousandth time...
 
i think a big problem was wannys conservatism...he had too much faith in our d and every d has a bad day once in a while...we never had the o to get them out of the hole...
 
Jaj said:
It was the run defense for the hundred thousandth time...
Good points all around...

Jaj concerning the losses against Colts, Titans, and Eagles in 2003 (the tread topic), it was an overall meltdown...

The Run Defense gave up an average 4.10 YPA...

The Pass Defense gave up an average 8.05 YPA...

Opponents had over had an average of over 4 minutes TOP in these games...

Against The Colts, in the 1st half, Colts had over 17 mins. of TOP...

Against the Titans, in the 1st half, Titans had over 20 mins. TOP...

But against the Eagles, in the 1st half, Miami had over 18 minutes TOP...

IMO, like other posters and team players have stated, it came down to the Miami Defensive gameplan the coaches prepared. It was very predictable and as I have heard "vanilla," where opponents new where everyone of our players would be at on any given formation...

and as we all know, when you are predictable, you are susceptible and we were...
 
jd13 said:
i think a big problem was wannys conservatism...he had too much faith in our d and every d has a bad day once in a while...we never had the o to get them out of the hole...
You are correct, all the money and talent was spent on the Defensive side...
 
Actually, I think our predictability on both sides of the ball lead to our demise each and every time. For the past three years I have been able to somewhat predict what we are gonna do on every play. My wife was amazed, because I would say "Damn they're gonna run ricky up the middle on third and three" and sure enough they did and of course didn't make it. The last two year were incredibly bad on offence. We consistantly ran on first and second down and were left with third and 5 or more then teams blitzed the hell out of us and our line never could figure out how to pick it up.

The D was so incredibly basic bump and run press coverage and rush only the 4 lineman except on long third downs then we blitz either zach or junior once in a while both.

Any NFL team that know whats coming can generally stop it and beat it. That is the reason for our losses and our dismal '04 season.
 
good points. Although in the 2002 game against NE, all the Phins needed was 1 first down on offense and the game's over and they are in the playoffs
 
How many extra possesions and three and out where granted by our most charitable offense in the cases??? go do some more numbers crunching dangit!
 
Here's the Crunching and the Offense is Excused!

zeke0123 said:
How many extra possesions and three and out where granted by our most charitable offense in the cases??? go do some more numbers crunching dangit!
Between the Colts, Titans, and Eagles games our Offense had given up 17, 3 Downs and outs; compare to our opponents of 14...

In other words a total of 3 more possesions combined in 3 games, was not the reason why we lost by a combined total of 37 points in 3 games :D ...
 
Maynard said:
good points. Although in the 2002 game against NE, all the Phins needed was 1 first down on offense and the game's over and they are in the playoffs

That's very true. However the defense and special teams melting down as well had plenty to do with that loss. The O did put up 24 or 27 ( I forget) points in that game.
 
zeke0123 said:
How many extra possesions and three and out where granted by our most charitable offense in the cases??? go do some more numbers crunching dangit!
As FD150 stated, we score enough points (24) to win the game, we were leading by 11 with 5 minutes left to end the game...

Our Defense gave up 21 straight Offensive plays to NE, 8 straight 1st Downs which ended with NE's winning FG in OT...
 
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