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La Canfora: Dolphins exploring Dion Jordan, Mike Wallace and Cameron Wake trade

where's th'fish said:
There are different kinds of bonuses. Some are paid upfront, some are delayed. Jordan has about 4 million in future bonuses plus 800k due this year that I don't know if they have been paid or not. All of that would be inherited by the new team, along with base salaries.

But the brunt of Jordan's salary is in prorated bonus money and, yes, it would count 10 million against the cap this year.
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I do understand that. What I am not sure of is if his contract can be re-structured to change the signing bonus back to salary, as both are guaranteed, and if a trading team can agree to pay some of the pro-rated signing bonus?

No one has been able to give me an answer.
 
where's th'fish said:
It still wouldn't make any sense at all to me. Cap dollar vs production Wake is one of the best players in the league. How could we possibly justify moving him? We wouldn't free up any cap space, we wouldn't get equivalent talent in return. It's lose-lose for us.

Of course it's a matter of price. A top 15 pick would work for Wake, but no team is going to pay that much for a veteran when the name of the game is cheap draft picks. I mean, last time that happened in the NFL I think Al Davis pulled the trigger on Seymour.
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Walrus said it better than I could, but to reiterate it comes down to short term pain for long term gain.

Wake has how many years left in him as a top performer, realistically? 2 at best. You trade that away for a 1st or 2nd round pick (much like Jason Taylor to Washington) and you try to use that ammunition to find a contributor who can help this team over the course of 5-8 years, even if it is never at the level of a Cam Wake.

I'd take 5-8 years of solid FS play vs top tier pass rushing from Cam Wake for 2.
 
Mogwai said:
Straight bull****. Just more incredibly irresponsible sports "reporting." The problem is several months down the road people here will forget the useless source and start quoting this as some kind of fact that they were made available.
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I agree that almost all sports reporting is irresponsible. However, what are the writers saying here? That we want to see what Jordan is worth? That we might consider trading Wake or Wallace? What's the big deal?
 
TheWalrus said:
The justification would be that he's aging. He's 32 now and despite what people might think, he does not have any less tread on his tires than anyone else. He's getting older, and getting older has consequences. Look at the injury he had this year, how it took him a while to recover. That's only going to happen more frequently, not less. I think it's definitely worth exploring what you can get for him, especially since -- at least in my opinion -- this is a team going absolutely nowhere in the short term.
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Why not explore trade possibilities for any player? However, if we are exploring for Wake as well as Jordan, we have OV and Shelby, with strength becoming weakness.
 
Southbeach 2 said:
Why not explore trade possibilities for any player? However, if we are exploring for Wake as well as Jordan, we have OV and Shelby, with strength becoming weakness.
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Neither OV or Shelby are very good, imo. Try hard guys, for sure. But not good enough.
 
Oliver Vernon's sacks were more of him working extra hard for it then him actually having elite pass rushing skill..

He's no Wake
 
The few actual insights I have heard from Hickey when he actually says anything of substance is that he is assigning a value (worth) for each player on the team. Therefore, there may be some truth to some of this. I agree with the Walrus assessment on Wake. It's a business decision. There is another team in our division (NE) who loves to separate themselves from veterans as they age. An argument maybe could be made for Wallace (cost vs return).
 
Southbeach 2 said:
I agree that almost all sports reporting is irresponsible. However, what are the writers saying here? That we want to see what Jordan is worth? That we might consider trading Wake or Wallace? What's the big deal?
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What possible advantage would we have in expressing a willingness to trade a player we just took at the top of the draft a year ago? It diminishes his value, makes us look like confused fools, and shakes a young player's confidence. There is no reason for us to release this to the public and letting anything legitimate slip to a hack like Canfora is an impossibility or a huge flaw in our ability to keep these conversations quiet, as they need to be. It's bull****. I don't believe there is any truth to it, yet due to the culture of sports reporting now that's not going to stop it from affecting how our team and players are perceived.
 
Mogwai said:
What possible advantage would we have in expressing a willingness to trade a player we just took at the top of the draft a year ago? It diminishes his value, makes us look like confused fools, and shakes a young player's confidence. There is no reason for us to release this to the public and letting anything legitimate slip to a hack like Canfora is an impossibility or a huge flaw in our ability to keep these conversations quiet, as they need to be. It's bull****. I don't believe there is any truth to it, yet due to the culture of sports reporting now that's not going to stop it from affecting how our team and players are perceived.
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Yeah but, you can say what you truly feel here, without hiding how you truly feel. lol
 
It's crazy that most of this fanbase don't think this team is a joke. When sports are discussed, the Marlins and Dolphins are usually the butts of the jokes in South Florida. The Heat are usually the only team in town worth mentioning and having any kind of pride/winning culture. This team has been mediocre for decades and people dislike when I call them a joke. Please take off your goggles and see this current team for what they are, not what they once were.
 
Southbeach 2 said:
I do understand that. What I am not sure of is if his contract can be re-structured to change the signing bonus back to salary, as both are guaranteed, and if a trading team can agree to pay some of the pro-rated signing bonus?

No one has been able to give me an answer.
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I've never heard of such a thing. It doesn't really make sense. Prorated bonus is money that's already been paid, so how can you change it into anything if it's in the player's pocket? And if one team paid it, how could it count against another's cap?
 
where's th'fish said:
I've never heard of such a thing. It doesn't really make sense. Prorated bonus is money that's already been paid, so how can you change it into anything if it's in the player's pocket? And if one team paid it, how could it count against another's cap?
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Same here, and posted a link explaining that the paying of the signing bonus is not paid in full at signing but, pro-rated, which I did not know. That was what raised the question.
 
I like Wake a lot and I think he can still play at a high level. Having said that, it can't be ignored that he is aging and has had injuries. I think these factors reduce his trade value to the point that we would never get something in return that we would all be happy with.
 
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