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[dolpns13]

Martin is actually alot bigger than Incognito too

I want to know why Martin didn't punch Incognito in the face. They are both 300 pounds. This shows how soft Martin actually is. May explain why he has been getting manhandled for the past two years.

 

[PlexGod]

either way both these guys r out of the league for good. Martin and cog are PR nightmares now.

 

[DolfanDuBbZ~]

There is no statute of limitations on a hostile working environment accusation. It could have happened repeatedly for 2 years, with Martin keeping and gathering information and he still could have gone to his employer and at no point in time can his employer legally say, "well you should have came to us a year ago. There is nothing we can do".

Again you people are not understanding my overall POV.

A UNION rep is on every team. That Union rep is there to make sure their members are in a safe work environment. IF a coach was holding a extra practice for a few players, do you think that would fly? Don't you think the UNION and its rep on the team would have been made aware of the situation, real time? I do.

The fact he saved these things for the media, says more to me, than anything else. The fact the media and their parrots here are using the term' bully', says more about this case than anything else.

IMO, Martins blame in this is his immaturity and inability to go through the proper channels to air his grievances. He is in a UNION, the ability to do so, is there.

 

[FrankP]

Again you people are not understanding my overall POV.

A UNION rep is on every team. That Union rep is there to make sure their members are in a safe work environment. IF a coach was holding a extra practice for a few players, do you think that would fly? Don't you think the UNION and its rep on the team would have been made aware of the situation, real time? I do.

The fact he saved these things for the media, says more to me, than anything else. The fact the media and their parrots here are using the term' bully', says more about this case than anything else.

IMO, Martins blame in this is his immaturity and inability to go through the proper channels to air his grievances. He is in a UNION, the ability to do so, is there.

Again, we don't know that he didn't...

 

[PlexGod]

I want to know why Martin didn't punch Incognito in the face. They are both 300 pounds. This shows how soft Martin actually is. May explain why he has been getting manhandled for the past two years.

Cuz obviously Martin is a wuss. The thing that pisses me off is I read a report that Martin himself was pulling pranks on other linemen on the team and seemed ok with that but now its an issue.?.?

 

[FrankP]

I want to know why Martin didn't punch Incognito in the face. They are both 300 pounds. This shows how soft Martin actually is. May explain why he has been getting manhandled for the past two years.

Do you know what type of crown Ritchie hangs around with? Martin probably thought of doing it... but then what?
- Headline: Jonathan Martin suspended after punching teammate in the face.

And then the guy just threatened your family, a punch will piss him off, what happens next? Do you know?

 

[DolfanDuBbZ~]

Your assessment of the real world might be a bit off. When long term harassment happens, the victims of that harassment are almost always advised to save anything and everything in case you need it down the road. That's what flies in the "real world."

Also, you have been repeatedly asserting that Martin did not go to his union rep. On what are you basing that assertion.

The NFLPAs own statement that they are taking the MEDIA reports seriously and are watching the situation seriously.(Of course not verbatim)

If you think the Union would have waited until now to voice their opinion, then something says Unicorns exist in South Beach that aren't fruit loops.

 

[dolpns13]

Again you people are not understanding my overall POV.

A UNION rep is on every team. That Union rep is there to make sure their members are in a safe work environment. IF a coach was holding a extra practice for a few players, do you think that would fly? Don't you think the UNION and its rep on the team would have been made aware of the situation, real time? I do.

The fact he saved these things for the media, says more to me, than anything else. The fact the media and their parrots here are using the term' bully', says more about this case than anything else.

IMO, Martins blame in this is his immaturity and inability to go through the proper channels to air his grievances. He is in a UNION, the ability to do so, is there.

I understand that, but your whole premisce is based on assumptions. Kindly post the proof that Martin did not go the union rep. You do not know he did or did not. also, it was reported that Martin did report this to Philbin and Ireland in April. If Martin did tell them but not his union rep, it is Philbins/Ireland responsibility to inform both the HR department and his union rep of the abuse. Immaturity is not taken into consideration when dealing with a hostile work environment case. Immaturity certainly makes the abusee look bad, but in no way would it determine an outcome of the case.

 

[dolpns13]

That too would be taken into consideration during the investigation and could destroy Martins entire case if he decides to persue one.

Cuz obviously Martin is a wuss. The thing that pisses me off is I read a report that Martin himself was pulling pranks on other linemen on the team and seemed ok with that but now its an issue.?.?

 

[DolfanDuBbZ~]

I understand that, but your whole premisce is based on assumptions. Kindly post the proof that Martin did not go the union rep. You do not know he did or did not. also, it was reported that Martin did report this to Philbin and Ireland in April. If Martin did tell them but not his union rep, it is Philbins/Ireland responsibility to inform both the HR department and his union rep of the abuse. Immaturity is not taken into consideration when dealing with a hostile work environment case. Immaturity certainly makes the abusee look bad, but in no way would it determine an outcome of the case.

The player/employee has a duty to let his Union rep know what is going on. Period. Not the employer. Also that UNION rep is in the locker room, not some distant office in Cincinnati.

As for you needing proof. The NFLPA's own statement puts a light on the situation. Unions are rarely reactive, most are very pro active concerning their members. And when you get a statement saying they are monitoring the situation, says this is news to them. If they knew these things in April and it continued, Incog would be gone and Martin would be a media darling.

And if the NFLPA did know, and did nothing. That will be the bigger issue from the players moving forward.

 

[tay0365]

Unless these texts are totally phony, do you really still need to know?

People don't act rationally when someone is threatening to kill their family members.

Cut Richie right now.

Abso-(freaken)-lutely, this meathead needs to be shown the door, and never, ever given chance back....obviously we don't need that type of player (Ape) on our team.

 

[JTC111]

The NFLPAs own statement that they are taking the MEDIA reports seriously and are watching the situation seriously.(Of course not verbatim)

So they haven't confirmed or denied anything yet. I still don't see any evidence whereby you can be sure the rep wasn't contacted.

 

[THE OG CANEPHINS]

Martin comes from a great long line of thinkers. Since when do you hear of intellectuals getting into fist fights?

Not saying it is an excuse, because any lesser of a man would have hit Incognito first and asked questions later. He probably went through every range of emotion, thought it out and reached a point where he couldn't do anything else other than walk away.

Of course this is all an assumption, but I can't fault Martin for for doing what he did if everything is true.

 

[dolpns13]

The player/employee has a duty to let his Union rep know what is going. Period. Not the employer. Also that UNION rep is in the locker room, not some distant office in Cincinnati.

As for you needing proof. The NFLPA's own statement puts a light on the situation. Unions are rarely reactive, most are very pro active concerning their members. And when you get a statement saying they are monitoring the situation, says this is news to them. If they knew these things in April and it continued, Incog would be gone and Martin would be a media darling.

And if the NFLPA did know, and did nothing. That will be the bigger issue from the players moving forward.

I must admit I am not sure about how a union would handle this but either way, whoever is involved, the employers HR department must be made aware if the situation so they can act accordingly.

Im confused on your comment about "when you get a statement saying they are monitoring... that is news to them". Still they are admitting they know about the situation. As for your last sentence, it sure looks like Incognito will be gone.

 

[Fish-Head]

The truth is irrelevant to most of those media outlets. But they have no problem being politically correct and pushing a POV on a stupid public. Going so far that the term 'bullying' is now being used for this case. Which alot of people here are parroting.

Most people here, would handle this situation much differently than Martin. Most here couldn't walk off the job and think they still were owed something. Most here don't save text messages or VMs from April. People who refuse to understand that Martin isn't blameless in his immaturity in dealing with a professional work place, are the problem in today's society. This is the age of the purple marker and the 'participation' award, where no one wants to be offended.

Martin had a path to remedy his situation. He saved his 'proof' for the media, left his team in a tough spot during a work week. And people are suppose to feel sorry for the SOB? Nope not here. Many people have had to deal with characters at work who mutter things that would make your skin crawl. But many of us don't walk off the job. Many of us don't run to the papers. Many of us, deal with it and move on.

Incredible. Come on man.

You KNOW this situation is not that simple and you KNOW that there is a definitive hierarchy in the locker room. Vets are atop the pecking order PERIOD. THIS WAS NEVER A FAIR FIGHT. The reality is that this is a young team and INCOGNITO is one of the vets with most tenure... I think it is PAINFULLY obvious that Martin felt he had no recourse... That there was no help coming from inside the locker room, coaches office or management's boardroom.

In fact quite the opposite is true since so many think like you do... That seeking help is a 'weakness'... there is every reason to believe that actually reporting it would make matters WORSE not better. That he would have made more enemies than allies.

On one hand you say that he should have opened up and admitted it through proper channels and then on the other you crucify him for being weak minded and a p**** in a man's game... It is EXACTLY that kind of contradiction in thinking that left him with NO option at all.