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popularwar

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I have a few points to make, so please bear with me. I'll gladly accept any opposing opinions, but please try to make sense and refrain from "u r stoopid lolz" and things of that manner.
1. We're going to lose some games. If you expected us to win most of our games, you're in for a surprise. There are games like Buffalo and the Jets games where we killed ourselves with penalties and poor play, but there will be times when we just play a better team, simple and plain. I think the Chiefs are a better team than us, or at least match us very well against us. We couldn't stop them on the ground and we couldn't stop the long pass plays, so we basically let one of the strongest O's run wild. Meanwhile, our offense got off to a slow start and had problems moving the chains and crossing the goal line.
2. Nick Saban is not an idiot. He is not another Spurrier, and he certainly didn't have the "brook trout look" in yesterday's press conference. Just because he's a good coach doesn't mean he's going to come in and go 16-0. He inherited a 4-12 team with a severe lack of depth and a lot of worthless players. If our past regime had been any good, he wouldn't have been hired. There would have been no need for him. Instead, he's starting over and adapting to the pro's.
3. Gus vs. Sage vs. Lemon. Stop it, please. Like I said, Saban is no idiot, he knows who he has a good shot with, and that happens to be Gus. Sage Rosenfels has had two huge career first plays from scrimmage, both to Chambers, both for touchdowns. I don't think a career back-up is our answer at QB. That includes Gus as well, we have two career back-ups right now, but at least one of them knows the system well. If Sage starts, I would expect him to struggle and lose the starting job. Some of you guys want Lemon to start, which is ridiculous because he hasn't been on the team a whole week, there's no way he knows the system.
4. Our defense doesn't suck, but we do have a problem with depth in the secondary. How bad? The second they put a third receiver in the game, we all know he'll catch the ball. Travis Daniels is a rookie and Reggie Howard is just awful, if our safeties are a second late then we can virtually allow a big play on just about every pass.
5. Ronnie Brown is doing great. I think we should run the ball more, because he's shown he can make plays. I don't understand why we don't run the ball, that's my biggest knock on the coaching staff.
6. We had like.... what was it, six penalties? That's the first time we're under 10. Not ideal, but much better. We stayed in the game until the third quarter, partly because of our discipline. Maybe Vernon Carey is the solution?
 
We need to stop the pass first to set up the run. Brown needs 20 plus touches, Ricky needs to be a backup, that's it. If we run the ball, the defense is not on the field as much.

Case in point, 3rd quarter, Brown runs for 9 on first down, then we pass (okay fine), third and one you need to get the first down and let our defense rest, but no, we go deep again? The Defense just sat down and picked up their water, and they are back out.
 
OK, I didnt get to see the game. But as soon as I saw the stat line I started screaming!!!! Why are we allowing Gus to beat us??? Why are we throwing the ball 30 times and only running it 14? Last week we were far from playing catch up and we still almost abandoned the running game. The game prior to Rickys return Ronnie had what 20+ carries, now hes getting 8. I am a big fan of the Nictator but he needs to play to his strengths and that is those two guys in the backfield not the guy under center!
 
popularwar said:
I have a few points to make, so please bear with me. I'll gladly accept any opposing opinions, but please try to make sense and refrain from "u r stoopid lolz" and things of that manner.
1. We're going to lose some games. If you expected us to win most of our games, you're in for a surprise. There are games like Buffalo and the Jets games where we killed ourselves with penalties and poor play, but there will be times when we just play a better team, simple and plain. I think the Chiefs are a better team than us, or at least match us very well against us. We couldn't stop them on the ground and we couldn't stop the long pass plays, so we basically let one of the strongest O's run wild. Meanwhile, our offense got off to a slow start and had problems moving the chains and crossing the goal line.
2. Nick Saban is not an idiot. He is not another Spurrier, and he certainly didn't have the "brook trout look" in yesterday's press conference. Just because he's a good coach doesn't mean he's going to come in and go 16-0. He inherited a 4-12 team with a severe lack of depth and a lot of worthless players. If our past regime had been any good, he wouldn't have been hired. There would have been no need for him. Instead, he's starting over and adapting to the pro's.
3. Gus vs. Sage vs. Lemon. Stop it, please. Like I said, Saban is no idiot, he knows who he has a good shot with, and that happens to be Gus. Sage Rosenfels has had two huge career first plays from scrimmage, both to Chambers, both for touchdowns. I don't think a career back-up is our answer at QB. That includes Gus as well, we have two career back-ups right now, but at least one of them knows the system well. If Sage starts, I would expect him to struggle and lose the starting job. Some of you guys want Lemon to start, which is ridiculous because he hasn't been on the team a whole week, there's no way he knows the system.
4. Our defense doesn't suck, but we do have a problem with depth in the secondary. How bad? The second they put a third receiver in the game, we all know he'll catch the ball. Travis Daniels is a rookie and Reggie Howard is just awful, if our safeties are a second late then we can virtually allow a big play on just about every pass.
5. Ronnie Brown is doing great. I think we should run the ball more, because he's shown he can make plays. I don't understand why we don't run the ball, that's my biggest knock on the coaching staff.
6. We had like.... what was it, six penalties? That's the first time we're under 10. Not ideal, but much better. We stayed in the game until the third quarter, partly because of our discipline. Maybe Vernon Carey is the solution?

Carey has to play, all the kids should be on the field all the time! We are going to lose, badly most times but Gus is the present and not the future and he is not totally to blame. The o-line has NO push, the secondary is transparent and Nick Saban needs time to solve that. Lemon was a money deal, not an answer and the offense is in it's first year. I agree with eveything you said.
 
Exactly.

Another thing that people here dont seem to realize is that in order to have success running the football, teams have to ALSO respect our passing game. And how to you accomplish this? By throwing the football.

Had the offense not thrown the ball so much yesterday and just ran the ball, we may have not got any running yards at all.

You cant be one deminsional and just run the ball, because defenses will know what you are going to do, and youll get stuffed.

Our offensive line is piss poor at run blocking. If they cant make holes, you have to make them another way, by keeping teams on their toes wondering what youre going to do.
 
I think you should just change the title of this thread to "whiny little 13 year old teeney boppers," instead of ladies and gentlemen.
 
Jnaledu3 said:
Exactly.

Another thing that people here dont seem to realize is that in order to have success running the football, teams have to ALSO respect our passing game. And how to you accomplish this? By throwing the football.

Had the offense not thrown the ball so much yesterday and just ran the ball, we may have not got any running yards at all.

You cant be one deminsional and just run the ball, because defenses will know what you are going to do, and youll get stuffed.

Our offensive line is piss poor at run blocking. If they cant make holes, you have to make them another way, by keeping teams on their toes wondering what youre going to do.

True, but we are one deminsional throwing the ball now!
 
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Jnaledu3 said:
I think you should just change the title of this thread to "whiny little 13 year old teeney boppers," instead of ladies and gentlemen.

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NJFINSFAN1 said:
True, but we are one deminsional throwing the ball now!

I dont think weve reached that point yet. I dont think our offensive line can handle a 'run first' offense and have success at at.

We have to throw the ball even if we are bad at it. If we dont, its back to Wanny ball again where we hand it off 80 percent of the time and get stuffed.

I expect that they will have more balance between run and pass as Ricky and Ronnie get more experience. But we still have to throw the ball to open up holes for these guys because the Oline wont do it.
 
I have to respectfully disagree. Sage is better than Gus. As a matter of fact he has outplayed every qb since he has came to the Dolphins. Saban may not of had the brook trout look but he was very humbled and his panies wasn't wadded up as usual. Also Saban better take control of the offense. I beleive he must have promised linehan full control of the offense or hes scared of him. This is the worst playcalling I've seen in my 22 years of football. I agree with your other points though.
 
popularwar said:
I have a few points to make, so please bear with me. I'll gladly accept any opposing opinions, but please try to make sense and refrain from "u r stoopid lolz" and things of that manner.
1. We're going to lose some games. If you expected us to win most of our games, you're in for a surprise. There are games like Buffalo and the Jets games where we killed ourselves with penalties and poor play, but there will be times when we just play a better team, simple and plain. I think the Chiefs are a better team than us, or at least match us very well against us. We couldn't stop them on the ground and we couldn't stop the long pass plays, so we basically let one of the strongest O's run wild. Meanwhile, our offense got off to a slow start and had problems moving the chains and crossing the goal line.
2. Nick Saban is not an idiot. He is not another Spurrier, and he certainly didn't have the "brook trout look" in yesterday's press conference. Just because he's a good coach doesn't mean he's going to come in and go 16-0. He inherited a 4-12 team with a severe lack of depth and a lot of worthless players. If our past regime had been any good, he wouldn't have been hired. There would have been no need for him. Instead, he's starting over and adapting to the pro's.
3. Gus vs. Sage vs. Lemon. Stop it, please. Like I said, Saban is no idiot, he knows who he has a good shot with, and that happens to be Gus. Sage Rosenfels has had two huge career first plays from scrimmage, both to Chambers, both for touchdowns. I don't think a career back-up is our answer at QB. That includes Gus as well, we have two career back-ups right now, but at least one of them knows the system well. If Sage starts, I would expect him to struggle and lose the starting job. Some of you guys want Lemon to start, which is ridiculous because he hasn't been on the team a whole week, there's no way he knows the system.
4. Our defense doesn't suck, but we do have a problem with depth in the secondary. How bad? The second they put a third receiver in the game, we all know he'll catch the ball. Travis Daniels is a rookie and Reggie Howard is just awful, if our safeties are a second late then we can virtually allow a big play on just about every pass.
5. Ronnie Brown is doing great. I think we should run the ball more, because he's shown he can make plays. I don't understand why we don't run the ball, that's my biggest knock on the coaching staff.
6. We had like.... what was it, six penalties? That's the first time we're under 10. Not ideal, but much better. We stayed in the game until the third quarter, partly because of our discipline. Maybe Vernon Carey is the solution?[/QUOTE

great post:up:
 
I'm so tired of hearing about saban getting a 4-12 ball club. he got a ball club that was full of injuries last year and still managed to win 50% of its' last 6 games.

saban's stragey so far has been a step back to what we were. But in Saban's defense, he probably knew this team would take a step back first so it it go forward. At least that's what I hope...
 
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