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If someone has the time can someone take Dolphins' 2008 NON-Wildcat pass and run averages and TDs.

then replace the Wildcat plays and TDs for EACH game with the averages from above.

then see how many games we would have won without Wildcat and how many yards we would have lost/gained without Wildcat.


I'm wondering if the pundits are right and last year's success was due to a surprise formation..... I know the above formula isn't perfect but it's something to give us an idea if the Wildcat formation truly was our offensive weapon.

zor
 
Yes someone should do all the work for you, where do I sign up. Anything else you need done, your grade 3 homework too?
 
don't get your panties in a wad.......if someone wants to do it they'll do it - if not they won't.


geez, not even a minute and you replied with that - no wonder you have so many posts.

:lol2:
 
Maybe you'll learn to create a real thread and do the homework that makes it appealing for everyone to read. Instead you'd rather someone else do what your leg work, not really a way to get any positive responses.

Good luck with post number 11, unless you want someone to post it for you!
 
It is nothing more then a run play really. If you take those averages out then u have to see if any team can win a game without the occasional Reverse, or Play action fake really. It is just a deceiving run play. Not a gimmick or trick play.

If we used the offense more then 10 plays or so a game then I could see this holding more relevance.

But I don't have the time to look it up. Plus, our success became average or a little better then average out of it the 2nd half of the season.

So you could argue our 1st 2 games or so using it was a fluke or gave us an advantage. But nothing more really.
 
MIA only ran the wildcat 90 times including when they unleashed it on NE.So that's about 7 times a game. Also only 8 of MIA's 40 tds came out of the Wildcat formation.
 
they say miami ran 90 Wildcat plays for 8TDs which resulted in 56 points.

in 2008 miami ran a total of 965 plays....for 345 points. subtract the Wildcat offensive numbers and you get 875 plays for 289 points for an average of .330 points per play. the Wildcat package provided 56 points from 90 plays resulting in almost double the average above.....56/90 = .622. substituting the .622 avg with the .330 avg for 90 plays would have cost us about 26 points for the year.

now if only we can find how many times the Wildcat was run for each game we could have a pretty good idea on how the Wildcat avg helped us per game and if there's any legitimacy with crediting our entire 2008 season to the Wildcat trickery.

i for one do not think so.... take a look at our turnover ratio, the number of penalties, pennington's careful play and you start to see what critics are overlooking - the fact that miami played a very careful game last year. they took care of their ball and played disciplined football.

granted, the Wildcat provided some help in the points department and helped to keep defenses on their toes - it should not take away from the other things that miami did RIGHT in 2008 and will improve on this season.

1. pennington. he will play better this year, how can he not? better receivers, better rapport, better knowledge of the plays. how many extra TDs is that worth for 2009?

2. running backs. the fact the offensive line is better this year will give these backs a higher YPC average and perhaps make them more effective in the red zone resulting in more TDs. how many more extra is that worth?

3. defense. last year's defensive line was good. this year they should be great. i felt JP could have done much better..on plays where he didn't get sacks he sometimes played soft. now that he can't be double-teamed as much it should open up for him and JT...and make it even easier for the middle to apply pressure. these pressures result in more erratic passes, more INTs which give our offense more opportunities. look for 2009 to give the dolphins more time of possession and consequently more TDs.

4. wildcat. i truly feel the dolphins will have to continue running this occasionally if only to keep the opposing teams preparing for it each week. i don't think they're going to run it more than 90 times though...i think the offense feels good about running a base offense now. remember, they NEEDED trickery last year to help its offense. this year it will help more as a decoy, i think.


last year's record may have been overachieving and making the most of opportunities.....this year will be tough to match last year's record but i see us improving as a total team and that has to count for something...how many wins, though? not sure.
 
The Wildcat had a disproportionate effect on the success of the Miami offense last year.

It provided almost 25 percent of the teams TDs even though it was only used around 12 percent of offensive snaps [note: I don't have the exact numbers]. And this is not counting the field goals that it figured primarily in, with the key play of the drive responsible.

It was disproportionate not only in the statistical effects, but in huge off-the-stat sheet effects on flow of game and game preparation. It provided opposing teams a headache of preparation, it provided a change of pace, allowing Penny to be more effective, it stretched the horizontal field whenever the talent at QB could not stretch the vertical field.

The offense was doing NOTHING until the Wildcat. After the Wildcat jumped them in gear, it provided a spark, where it all wasn't on Penny's shoulders... and they went from there.

People credit Penny for turning this team around -- and there is an amount of credit due him, but the reality is that the Wildcat pulled his butt out of the fire, along with the rest of the offense.

Disproportionate. Huge.

LD
 
LDaniel7 said:
The Wildcat had a disproportionate effect on the success of the Miami offense last year.

It provided almost 25 percent of the teams TDs even though it was only used around 12 percent of offensive snaps [note: I don't have the exact numbers]. And this is not counting the field goals that it figured primarily in, with the key play of the drive responsible.

It was disproportionate not only in the statistical effects, but in huge off-the-stat sheet effects on flow of game and game preparation. It provided opposing teams a headache of preparation, it provided a change of pace, allowing Penny to be more effective, it stretched the horizontal field whenever the talent at QB could not stretch the vertical field.

The offense was doing NOTHING until the Wildcat. After the Wildcat jumped them in gear, it provided a spark, where it all wasn't on Penny's shoulders... and they went from there.

People credit Penny for turning this team around -- and there is an amount of credit due him, but the reality is that the Wildcat pulled his butt out of the fire, along with the rest of the offense.

Disproportionate. Huge.

LD
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nice to see that not everyone has inane comments to post.... great comments, LD.
 
Penny was lighting up that pats D before we used that wildcat that game. I think it was a matter of time before he was going to play well here. Wildcat or not.
 
zor said:
If someone has the time can someone take Dolphins' 2008 NON-Wildcat pass and run averages and TDs.

then replace the Wildcat plays and TDs for EACH game with the averages from above.

then see how many games we would have won without Wildcat and how many yards we would have lost/gained without Wildcat.


I'm wondering if the pundits are right and last year's success was due to a surprise formation..... I know the above formula isn't perfect but it's something to give us an idea if the Wildcat formation truly was our offensive weapon.

zor
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http://www.finheaven.com/forums/f2/breakdown-wildcat-vs-non-wildcat-251444.html

I wrote this thread over the summer with a break down of the Wildcat and my opinions about its impact. Enjoy! :up:
 
LDaniel7 said:
The Wildcat had a disproportionate effect on the success of the Miami offense last year.

It provided almost 25 percent of the teams TDs even though it was only used around 12 percent of offensive snaps [note: I don't have the exact numbers]. And this is not counting the field goals that it figured primarily in, with the key play of the drive responsible.

It was disproportionate not only in the statistical effects, but in huge off-the-stat sheet effects on flow of game and game preparation. It provided opposing teams a headache of preparation, it provided a change of pace, allowing Penny to be more effective, it stretched the horizontal field whenever the talent at QB could not stretch the vertical field.

The offense was doing NOTHING until the Wildcat. After the Wildcat jumped them in gear, it provided a spark, where it all wasn't on Penny's shoulders... and they went from there.

People credit Penny for turning this team around -- and there is an amount of credit due him, but the reality is that the Wildcat pulled his butt out of the fire, along with the rest of the offense.

Disproportionate. Huge.

LD
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Not trying to down your post.But how can u say it was the wildcat? Honestly?

What about the whole 2nd half of last season where it became just an average running play? The great success came mostly in the first3 games we used it, after that it just became a solid play for the Phins.

How can you also say the wildcat pulled Penny's butt out of the fire? The wildcat didn't make him the most accurate passer last year. Nor did the Wildcat make him the 2nd highestrated passer last year. Nor did the Wildcat make him the runner up in MVP voting.

This sounds more like when people based what Ronnie will due off of his 6 game stint 2 years ago and when Ginn had 3 good games last year. It's as if some expect it to be the norm.

Outside of SD and NE the Wildcat no longer was hugely successful. It became an average play for the Phins.

How does that pull Penny's butt out of the fire.

Sounds like someone really doesn't want to admit one of the main reasons for our team totally turning around. 3 people. Sparano/Parcells and Pennington. Not the Wildcat
 
LDaniel7 said:
People credit Penny for turning this team around -- and there is an amount of credit due him, but the reality is that the Wildcat pulled his butt out of the fire, along with the rest of the offense.
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Actually, the Wildcat didn't help Pennington a whole lot. Miami threw a lot on first down, mostly because we had a very poor average in the Wildcat and base formations on frist down. Chap D played spectacular last year and deserves a lot of credit, given the type of WRs he had around him.
 
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