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was it REALLY a home run draft?? just because we had a good season doesnt mean we drafted well. In fact, considering WHERE we were drafting (the top of each round) and the fact we had an additional 2nd round pick did we even have a good draft????

look at it OBJECTIVELY and dont be a homer.

Jake Long though a very good player was not the best player in the draft (Matt Ryan was) and he may not have even been the best Left Tackle (Ryan Clady)

Phillip Merling was part of the rotation but he was quiet all year and made only one big play (favre interception) He seems a little soft, may not be strong enough at the point of attack, and the jury is still out on this guy.

Chad Henne - sure you need qb talent, and he looks like he MAY be the real deal. However, he is now buried on the bench for probably two years now, and we really can still only speculate what kind of QB he MAY become while its pretty obvious what kind of qb matt ryan is.

Kendall Langford - At this point the only bonafide fantastic pick made by this regime. good against the run and will improve. started and made plays. good value

Shawn Murphy. looks to be a wasted pick at this point and he isnt young either (27 next year)

Jalen Parmele might have been a good pick. too bad we wasted 2 picks on running backs we didnt need, and only showcased the guy so he could end up on baltimores roster. with some of the garbage we had on the roster (derek smith) this guy should have been protected. at this point he was a bad pick cause he isnt with the team

Donald Thomas looked promising but the fact of the matter is the guy has barely played a down in the NFL because he got injured right away. If he has talent but never plays then he cant help us can he?

Lex Hilliard terrible pick complete waste of a pick, and drafted too many backs. Will never play for this team

Lional Dotson might actually turn out ok. time will tell. but then again weve actually found defensive lineman in the past in the seventh. we just decided to let them contribute for other teams (fred evans, vickerson)

So what do we have? Two guys we know can play (Long, Langford) and, at this point, nothing but question marks and what ifs.

Im as big a Parcells fan as there is. but truthfully, unless two more players from this draft turn into very good players, or Henne becomes a TRUE franchise QB (meaning he is consistently one of the ten best in the league) This draft was simply mediocre considering what there was to work with.
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You can always look at each pick pessimistically and call it a bad draft. With rookies, I think you have to evaluate them through the prism of their potential and their immediate contributions. I think our 2008 class grades out very well under those criteria.
 
Orange_Crush said:
Getting Davone Bess as a free agent made up for the 2 backs they drafted :D
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The running back picks in the 6th round can be looked at now as a bad move, but at the time of the draft they were good moves. Ronnie was coming off an ACL tear, Ricky hadn't played since 2005(not including his 6 carries in 07') and was one failed drug test away from being booted from the league, and Cobbs was looked at as just a mediocre special teams player. So, drafting two running backs to compete with what we already had was a good move.

Lucky for us though, Ronnie came back 100% healthy, Ricky was playing very well and Cobbs turned into a special situation back.

I hate losing Jalen to the Ravens, but I do think there is hope for Lex. Ricky isn't going to play forever, and it is nice to have a fourth back now that we can continue to develop.
 
Jake was no mistake and I think you are undervaluing Merling. He rotated very well with no dropoff in production... Considering how bad we were and how many holes we needed to fill, I think the draft was a very good one... You cannot get depth in one draft...

We got a jump on both lines and can finish the job on the Offensive side of the ball while beginning the LB overhaul this year... We need horses and by that I mean Clydesdales those bad boys that pull the Budweiser wagon... :lol: Just as the man said 'Build from the line out'.
 
the draft wasn't necessarily a home run, but all the aspects that lead from the draft like the others stated fasano, ayodele, bess, jake long, merling and langford. That is pretty good. All of them should be significant pieces for a while.

so the draft wasnt a homerun but it lead to a homerun
 
afishfan said:
was it REALLY a home run draft?? just because we had a good season doesnt mean we drafted well. In fact, considering WHERE we were drafting (the top of each round) and the fact we had an additional 2nd round pick did we even have a good draft????

look at it OBJECTIVELY and dont be a homer.

Jake Long though a very good player was not the best player in the draft (Matt Ryan was) and he may not have even been the best Left Tackle (Ryan Clady)

Phillip Merling was part of the rotation but he was quiet all year and made only one big play (favre interception) He seems a little soft, may not be strong enough at the point of attack, and the jury is still out on this guy.

Chad Henne - sure you need qb talent, and he looks like he MAY be the real deal. However, he is now buried on the bench for probably two years now, and we really can still only speculate what kind of QB he MAY become while its pretty obvious what kind of qb matt ryan is.

Kendall Langford - At this point the only bonafide fantastic pick made by this regime. good against the run and will improve. started and made plays. good value

Shawn Murphy. looks to be a wasted pick at this point and he isnt young either (27 next year)

Jalen Parmele might have been a good pick. too bad we wasted 2 picks on running backs we didnt need, and only showcased the guy so he could end up on baltimores roster. with some of the garbage we had on the roster (derek smith) this guy should have been protected. at this point he was a bad pick cause he isnt with the team

Donald Thomas looked promising but the fact of the matter is the guy has barely played a down in the NFL because he got injured right away. If he has talent but never plays then he cant help us can he?

Lex Hilliard terrible pick complete waste of a pick, and drafted too many backs. Will never play for this team

Lional Dotson might actually turn out ok. time will tell. but then again weve actually found defensive lineman in the past in the seventh. we just decided to let them contribute for other teams (fred evans, vickerson)

So what do we have? Two guys we know can play (Long, Langford) and, at this point, nothing but question marks and what ifs.

Im as big a Parcells fan as there is. but truthfully, unless two more players from this draft turn into very good players, or Henne becomes a TRUE franchise QB (meaning he is consistently one of the ten best in the league) This draft was simply mediocre considering what there was to work with.
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Matt Ryan was NOT the best player in the draft. I didn't continue to read beyond that sentece, for obvious reasons. As for our draft, It's too soon to tell. However this coaching staff actually knows how to coach, so maybe that had something to do with the number of players from our draft that actually played and played well.

As for your opinion of Matt Ryan, it's just amazing how people look at the game of football. The mass number of fans actually believe you're a better player if you're a QB, RB or WR than if you're a Olinemen, Dlineme or DB. Obviously the media helps this misconception, nevertheless just because a player throws the ball into the endzone or runs the ball into the endzone doesn't make them better players than those who don't.

If anyone here watched what Matt Ryan did this year a large part of what he was able to do was about his Oline and RB's, without them Matt Ryan might have looked more like Ryan Leaf. Actually watching and understanding the game of football isn't that hard, it's just not as glamorus to be a LT as it is to be a QB. I laugh when I read peoples opinions about who was the "best" and who was "OK", cause 9 times out of 10 the QB's are gonna be "the best" and the linemn are gonna be "OK".
 
afishfan said:
was it REALLY a home run draft?? just because we had a good season doesnt mean we drafted well. In fact, considering WHERE we were drafting (the top of each round) and the fact we had an additional 2nd round pick did we even have a good draft????

look at it OBJECTIVELY and dont be a homer.

Jake Long though a very good player was not the best player in the draft (Matt Ryan was) and he may not have even been the best Left Tackle (Ryan Clady)

Phillip Merling was part of the rotation but he was quiet all year and made only one big play (favre interception) He seems a little soft, may not be strong enough at the point of attack, and the jury is still out on this guy.

Chad Henne - sure you need qb talent, and he looks like MAY be the real deal. However, he is now buried on the bench for probably two years now, and we really can still only speculate what kind of QB he MAY become while its pretty obvious what kind of qb matt ryan is.

Kendall Langford - At this point the only bonafide fantastic pick made by this regime. good against the run and will improve. started and made plays. good value

Shawn Murphy. looks to be a wasted pick at this point and he isnt young either (27 next year)

Jalen Parmele might have been a good pick. too bad we wasted 2 picks on running backs we didnt need, and only showcased the guy so he could end up on baltimores roster. with some of the garbage we had on the roster (derek smith) this guy should have been protected. at this point he was a bad pick cause he isnt with the team

Donald Thomas looked promising but the fact of the matter is the guy has barely played a down in the NFL because he got injured right away. If he has talent but never plays then he cant help us can he?

Lex Hilliard terrible pick complete waste of a pick, and drafted too many backs. Will never play for this team

Lional Dotson might actually turn out ok. time will tell. but then again weve actually found defensive lineman in the past in the seventh. we just decided to let them contribute for other teams (fred evans, vickerson)

So what do we have? Two guys we know can play (Long, Langford) and, at this point, nothing but question marks and what ifs.

Im as big a Parcells fan as there is. but truthfully, unless two more players from this draft turn into very good players, or Henne becomes a TRUE franchise QB (meaning he is consistently one of the ten best in the league) This draft was simply mediocre considering what there was to work with.

Sorry, but some of your analysis is ridiculous to say the least

1.) We needed a Left Tackle, we got a left tackle that will be very good to great. Matt Ryan is already being overrated. He had a good year, how do we know it is not a fluke? Clady is great, but were we going to draft him with the 1 pick? Long WAS and IS the best pick there.

2.) Philip Merling was a big factor in solidifying the line against the run. Please point out some rookie DL men on a 3-4 defense that make a bunch of plays. How did Gleen Dorsey look this year?

3.) Donald Thomas, we need to wait on. He is a rookie and became a starter. The coaches loved him and he got injuried... I guess he is a bust then

4.) Henne same thing ... We need to groom him. We dont know what we have in him, but what is wrong with him sitting on the bench for 2 more years? It worked out for Rodgers didnt it. What would Ryan have done here? SIT .. So in drafting Ryan we would have been in the same position and without our LT
You kinda bash people for being too optimistic about the class and proceed to the exact opposite. You need to give the class a few years before doing either
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afishfan said:
was it REALLY a home run draft?? just because we had a good season doesnt mean we drafted well. In fact, considering WHERE we were drafting (the top of each round) and the fact we had an additional 2nd round pick did we even have a good draft????

look at it OBJECTIVELY and dont be a homer.

Jake Long though a very good player was not the best player in the draft (Matt Ryan was) and he may not have even been the best Left Tackle (Ryan Clady)

Phillip Merling was part of the rotation but he was quiet all year and made only one big play (favre interception) He seems a little soft, may not be strong enough at the point of attack, and the jury is still out on this guy.

Chad Henne - sure you need qb talent, and he looks like he MAY be the real deal. However, he is now buried on the bench for probably two years now, and we really can still only speculate what kind of QB he MAY become while its pretty obvious what kind of qb matt ryan is.

Kendall Langford - At this point the only bonafide fantastic pick made by this regime. good against the run and will improve. started and made plays. good value

Shawn Murphy. looks to be a wasted pick at this point and he isnt young either (27 next year)

Jalen Parmele might have been a good pick. too bad we wasted 2 picks on running backs we didnt need, and only showcased the guy so he could end up on baltimores roster. with some of the garbage we had on the roster (derek smith) this guy should have been protected. at this point he was a bad pick cause he isnt with the team

Donald Thomas looked promising but the fact of the matter is the guy has barely played a down in the NFL because he got injured right away. If he has talent but never plays then he cant help us can he?

Lex Hilliard terrible pick complete waste of a pick, and drafted too many backs. Will never play for this team

Lional Dotson might actually turn out ok. time will tell. but then again weve actually found defensive lineman in the past in the seventh. we just decided to let them contribute for other teams (fred evans, vickerson)

So what do we have? Two guys we know can play (Long, Langford) and, at this point, nothing but question marks and what ifs.

Im as big a Parcells fan as there is. but truthfully, unless two more players from this draft turn into very good players, or Henne becomes a TRUE franchise QB (meaning he is consistently one of the ten best in the league) This draft was simply mediocre considering what there was to work with.
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Mediocre in comparison to who/what? I would like to see how other teams drafts have turned out? Also I think you need to give about 3 years before you can start evaluating the draft talent, I think its a little too soon. But pretty good post over all.:up:
 
also remember we gave up chris chambers and lo booker for 2 of those picks.
 
It really is too early. I just recently re-read an '07 draft mag, part of which looked back at the '06 draft, and gave Matt Leinart an A+ and said something like "A future star, not much else to say". But I will counter some of your points.

afishfan said:
was it REALLY a home run draft?? just because we had a good season doesnt mean we drafted well. In fact, considering WHERE we were drafting (the top of each round) and the fact we had an additional 2nd round pick did we even have a good draft????

look at it OBJECTIVELY and dont be a homer.

Jake Long though a very good player was not the best player in the draft (Matt Ryan was) and he may not have even been the best Left Tackle (Ryan Clady). You'd always like to get the best player in the draft, but you don't always have to for a pick to be a success. They clearly liked Jake Long better than Clady from the gate, and considering the style Miami plays vs the style Denver plays, I highly doubt that either team would swap their LT for the other at this point. I'd be very surprised if the Miami FO feels anything less than complete satisfaction with this pick

Phillip Merling was part of the rotation but he was quiet all year and made only one big play (favre interception) He seems a little soft, may not be strong enough at the point of attack, and the jury is still out on this guy. Looked to me that Merling was asked to put on weight to play 3-4 DE. that was an adjustment for him...there is certainly no guarantee that he becomes an elite 3-4 DE as they are hoping, but I am very encouraged by what I saw. Quiet all year? Most 3-4 DE's are.

Chad Henne - sure you need qb talent, and he looks like he MAY be the real deal. However, he is now buried on the bench for probably two years now, and we really can still only speculate what kind of QB he MAY become while its pretty obvious what kind of qb matt ryan is.while the team and fans sure seem to like what they've seen so far....he's still a huge question mark. Don't be so sure that he's on the bench for 2 years. A full year out of Chad Pennington has been the exception, not the rule.

Kendall Langford - At this point the only bonafide fantastic pick made by this regime. good against the run and will improve. started and made plays. good value. Definately a great value.

Shawn Murphy. looks to be a wasted pick at this point and he isnt young either (27 next year) I don't think that the team is going to judge this pick based off of his contribution this year....despite his age, he was viewed by most as a project, I really don't think that they had any expectation that he would contribute at all this year.

Jalen Parmele might have been a good pick. too bad we wasted 2 picks on running backs we didnt need, and only showcased the guy so he could end up on baltimores roster. with some of the garbage we had on the roster (derek smith) this guy should have been protected. at this point he was a bad pick cause he isnt with the team You can't knock them for preparing in case Ronnie Brown was not healthy enough, or in case Ricky Williams flaked out agian, or for not knowing that P.Cobbs was that versatile on offense and that valuable on ST. Any one of those things goes the other way and this is looking like a very good pick. That all those things went right, it was acceptable IMO to try and stash JP on the PS.

Donald Thomas looked promising but the fact of the matter is the guy has barely played a down in the NFL because he got injured right away. If he has talent but never plays then he cant help us can he? Looks like a great pick, regardless of the injury. to my knowledge there was no injury history, so I can't fault them for not anticipating an injury. Any 6th round pick that winds up an opening day starter is a success in my book.

Lex Hilliard terrible pick complete waste of a pick, and drafted too many backs. Will never play for this team I wouldn't be so sure that he never plays for us. I believe that the way the HB situation shook out that he was being asked to become a FB. That we did a lot of churning of the PS, but Hilliard was never moved, says that there must be something they like about him.

Lional Dotson might actually turn out ok. time will tell. but then again weve actually found defensive lineman in the past in the seventh. we just decided to let them contribute for other teams (fred evans, vickerson) Could obvioulsy go either way, but still around. Not much else I'd ask for a 7th round pick

So what do we have? Two guys we know can play (Long, Langford) and, at this point, nothing but question marks and what ifs.

1 Pro Bowl caliber player, 3 who can play (Langford, Thomas and Merling). 2 who were not expected to contribute yet (Henne and Murphy), and 2 late picks with enough potential to stick around all year and compete next year.

Im as big a Parcells fan as there is. but truthfully, unless two more players from this draft turn into very good players, or Henne becomes a TRUE franchise QB (meaning he is consistently one of the ten best in the league) This draft was simply mediocre considering what there was to work with.
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ANY draft can go either way after just year....but I am not discouraged about this one in the least at this point.
 
Sofa_King_Drunk said:
I would also throw in what we got for our fourth rounder in Fasano and Ayodele.
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VERY GOOD POINT!!! and also the ferguson trade. yes fasano was originally a second rounder and played like it. he is also young.

this actually changes things. it was a GOOD draft at this point with this considered. To truly become a terrific draft we do need a couple more of these players to develop and produce however.

Fasano, Long, Langford at WORST....by most years standards that would be a pretty darn good haul, and its still early...

So i change my tune a little bit here
 
feelthepain said:
Matt Ryan was NOT the best player in the draft. I didn't continue to read beyond that sentece, for obvious reasons. As for our draft, It's too soon to tell. However this coaching staff actually knows how to coach, so maybe that had something to do with the number of players from our draft that actually played and played well.

As for your opinion of Matt Ryan, it's just amazing how people look at the game of football. The mass number of fans actually believe you're a better player if you're a QB, RB or WR than if you're a Olinemen, Dlineme or DB. Obviously the media helps this misconception, nevertheless just because a player throws the ball into the endzone or runs the ball into the endzone doesn't make them better players than those who don't.

If anyone here watched what Matt Ryan did this year a large part of what he was able to do was about his Oline and RB's, without them Matt Ryan might have looked more like Ryan Leaf. Actually watching and understanding the game of football isn't that hard, it's just not as glamorus to be a LT as it is to be a QB. I laugh when I read peoples opinions about who was the "best" and who was "OK", cause 9 times out of 10 the QB's are gonna be "the best" and the linemn are gonna be "OK".
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you are wrong on this one...sorry my friend. Matt Ryan was the best player in the draft. He proved it on the field. His rookie year puts him up there with Rothlisberger, and Marino. and Ben had a TON of talent and experience around him.

For Ryan to accomplish what he did, help to turn around the culture with his leadership, and poise as a rookie, turn in the kind of numbers and wins he did including a pro-bowl and playoff berth as a rookie Qb....are you KIDDING ME?????

In addition he plays BY FAR THE MOST IMPORTANT POSITION ON THE FIELD. sorry bro. he is the best player in that draft. we wanted to limit our risk with the top pick, and that might have been the intelligent football decision considering the amount of money the top pick makes. Long might have been the CORRECT pick. in retrospect it doesnt make him the BEST pick available at the time.

maybe you should read the rest of the post
 
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