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[inFINSible]

So fans that post on here know nothing, sports media know nothing and NFL analysts opinions are invalid but Vegas oddsmakers' opinions ARE valid enough to cite as good sources on Phinheaven. :confused:

exactly, fans who post here know NOTHING about what's going to happen when the season is played out....If you do, by all means, place your bets now. You should be rich by this time next year.

And yes, media outlets know NOTHING about how the season is going to play out.

And Yes, the oddsmakers are valid, it's their job to be as accurate as possible given that they'll lose money if they are not.

Any media or fans going to lose money if they're wrong?

 

[Gonzo]

I NEVER bet on the Phins. If they lose, I not only lose the money that I bet, but have to pay for a new TV, and new whatever I threw at the TV, because I am twice as pissed off.

Though I guess the opposite is true too. I was in Louisiana this year during the national championship, watching the game with a bunch of LSU fans who were betting thousands. It was absolutely insane. I had an escape route already planned in case of a loss. I have never seen celebration like that after a game (wasn't alive the last time my Phins won it...). Nevertheless, I still won't bet on them.

 

[Coral Reefer]

exactly, fans who post here know NOTHING about what's going to happen when the season is played out....If you do, by all means, place your bets now. You should be rich by this time next year.

And yes, media outlets know NOTHING about how the season is going to play out.

And Yes, the oddsmakers are valid, it's their job to be as accurate as possible given that they'll lose money if they are not.

Any media or fans going to lose money if they're wrong?

Just a little insight into the mentality of this board.
Do with it as you chose.
I simply find it funny that you have been one of the many citing fans, media and NFL analysts as sources whose opinions are not to be trusted because they have little knowledge of what is really going on..... then only to see you cite oddsmakers in Vegas as valid sources to justify an opinion. :confused:

Vegas oddsmakers have no more insight or have access to anymore information than media or NFL analysts. I would bet they have less access.
A percentage of the odds take into effect what betters (fans) are placing their bets on and hence the odds are a derivitive of what us "know nothing" fans think. The other variables on setting these odds are best guesses that are no better than the guesses any of us who follow football can come up with.

Look up the odds last year for the Carolina Panthers winning the NFC and tell me if oddsmakers know anymore than we do.

 

[inFINSible]

Just a little insight into the mentality of this board.
Do with it as you chose.
I simply find it funny that you have been one of the many citing fans, media and NFL analysts as sources whose opinions are not to be trusted because they have little knowledge of what is really going on..... then only to see you cite oddsmakers in Vegas as valid sources to justify an opinion. :confused:

Vegas oddsmakers have no more insight or have access to anymore information than media or NFL analysts. I would bet they have less access.
A percentage of the odds take into effect what betters (fans) are placing their bets on and hence the odds are a derivitive of what us "know nothing" fans think. The other variables on setting these odds are best guesses that are no better than the guesses any of us who follow football can come up with.

Look up the odds last year for the Carolina Panthers winning the NFC and tell me if oddsmakers know anymore than we do.

They're guesses are better...their business depends on it and if they're using bettors to more accurately determine their odds, then that's another sign that most fans don't believe the doom and gloom scenarios thrown out right and left by the vocal minority. This is a good sign.

I don't need to look up the odds for Carolina, I can tell you that the oddsmakers are not infallible.

Could they be wrong? absolutely. Do I believe that they have a better chance of being right than you or I, yes I do, absolutely.

 

[Pope Shula XIV]

Are you sure it's not 500,000-1.....I've been reading a lot of posts on this board and 11-1 odds of making the SB doesn't jibe with the "comlete turmoil" that is the Miami Dolphins offseason?

Is it possible that Vegas understands that the players don't give a rats' a$$ what happens in the offseason?

Maybe they understand that when the season starts it's going to come down to who has the most talent, not who had the most smooth offseason?

Nahhh, Vegas must be wrong....Obviously they don't read FinHeaven.

The opinions of the oddsmakers in Las Vegas mean absolutely nothing to me. Hell, they've had the Dolphins as one of the favorites to win the Super Bowl in the last five years.

I don't believe this organization is in "complete turmoil", but it's wrought with incompetence and poor communication. That starts at the top. We won't go 2-14 as some of the doom harbingers say. Just don't expect more than 9-7 or 10-6. We're really lucky to get that far with Jay Fiedler and Dave Wannstedt.

 

[SmokeyPhinz]

Again, more odds and predictions in May. NE wasnt ranked high when they won super bowls, neither was Carolina, the NY Giants, and the Ravens when they went to their super bowls. bah! :yell:

 

[FIN-IN-RI]

If we're 5-2 and the Bills and Jets are 7-2, that would rank us ahead of them, would it not?

well yes, it would.

 

[Jeep]

Oh btw...is there somewhere I can view those futures lines that isn't a gambling site?

Could anyone post the current futures super bowl odds for the teams, not just the Phins?

I could not find a non-gambling line on future bets..


NFL 2005 Regular Season Wins - Team Must Play 16 Games
Sep 13, 2004 09:00 pm ET
Arizona Cardinals Over 5.5 (-125)
Under 5.5 (-105)
Atlanta Falcons Over 9 (-140)
Under 9 (+110)
Baltimore Ravens Over 9 (-115)
Under 9 (-115)
Buffalo Bills Over 7.5 (-135)
Under 7.5 (+105)
Carolina Panthers Over 8.5 (-115)
Under 8.5 (-115)
Chicago Bears Over 7 (Even)
Under 7 (-130)
Cincinnati Bengals Over 7.5 (-130)
Under 7.5 (Even)
Cleveland Browns Over 7.5 (-110)
Under 7.5 (-120)
Dallas Cowboys Over 9.5 (+125)
Under 9.5 (-155)
Denver Broncos Over 9 (-120)
Under 9 (-110)
Detroit Lions Over 6.5 (-130)
Under 6.5 (Even)
Green Bay Packers Over 9.5 (+105)
Under 9.5 (-135)
Houston Texans Over 6.5 (-110)
Under 6.5 (-120)
Indianapolis Colts Over 10.5 (+120)
Under 10.5 (-150)
Jacksonville Jaguars Over 7.5 (-150)
Under 7.5 (+120)
Kansas City Chiefs Over 10 (-115)
Under 10 (-115)
Miami Dolphins Over 9 (-150)
Under 9 (+120)
Minnesota Vikings Over 8.5 (-150)
Under 8.5 (+120)
New England Patriots Over 10.5 (-115)
Under 10.5 (-115)
New Orleans Saints Over 7.5 (-145)
Under 7.5 (+115)
New York Giants Over 6 (-150)
Under 6 (+120)
New York Jets Over 9 (-115)
Under 9 (-115)
Oakland Raiders Over 7.5 (-140)
Under 7.5 (+110)
Philadelphia Eagles Over 10.5 (+115)
Under 10.5 (-145)
Pittsburgh Steelers Over 7.5 (Even)
Under 7.5 (-130)
San Diego Chargers Over 4.5 (Even)
Under 4.5 (-130)
Seattle Seahawks Over 8.5 (-155)
Under 8.5 (+125)
St. Louis Rams Over 9.5 (+115)
Under 9.5 (-145)
Tampa Bay Buccaneers Over 9 (-145)
Under 9 (+115)
Tennessee Titans Over 9.5 (-135)
Under 9.5 (+105)
Washington Redskins Over 9 (-110)
Under 9 (-120)

Odds to win 2005 Super Bowl - Jacksonville FL
Jan 27, 2005 06:00 pm ET

Arizona Cardinals 125-1
Atlanta Falcons 25-1
Baltimore Ravens 17-1
Buffalo Bills 55-1
Carolina Panthers 20-1
Chicago Bears 45-1
Cincinnati Bengals 40-1
Cleveland Browns 50-1
Dallas Cowboys 20-1
Denver Broncos 17-1
Detroit Lions 75-1
Green Bay Packers 12-1
Houston Texans 75-1
Indianapolis Colts 12-1
Jacksonville Jaguars 40-1
Kansas City Chiefs 15-1
Miami Dolphins 20-1
Minnesota Vikings 25-1
New England Patriots 5-1
New Orleans Saints 55-1
New York Giants 40-1
New York Jets 30-1
Oakland Raiders 25-1
Philadelphia Eagles 12-1
Pittsburgh Steelers 40-1
San Diego Chargers 100-1
San Francisco 49ers 75-1
Seattle Seahawks 20-1
St. Louis Rams 17-1
Tampa Bay Buccaneers 12-1
Tennessee Titans 20-1
Washington Redskins 18-1


Odds to win 2005 NFC Championship
Jan 16, 2005 06:00 pm ET
Arizona Cardinals 55-1
Atlanta Falcons 12-1
Carolina Panthers 10-1
Chicago Bears 20-1
Dallas Cowboys 11-1
Detroit Lions 35-1
Green Bay Packers 13-2
Minnesota Vikings 12-1
New Orleans Saints 22-1
New York Giants 17-1
Philadelphia Eagles 6-1
San Francisco 49ers 40-1
Seattle Seahawks 9-1
St. Louis Rams 8-1
Tampa Bay Buccaneers 6-1
Washington Redskins 9-1


Odds to win 2005 AFC Championship
Jan 16, 2005 06:00 pm ET
Baltimore Ravens 9-1
Buffalo Bills 25-1
Cincinnati Bengals 18-1
Cleveland Browns 25-1
Denver Broncos 8-1
Houston Texans 40-1
Indianapolis Colts 6-1
Jacksonville Jaguars 20-1
Kansas City Chiefs 7-1
Miami Dolphins 11-1
New England Patriots 13-5
New York Jets 14-1
Oakland Raiders 13-1
Pittsburgh Steelers 20-1
San Diego Chargers 50-1
Tennessee Titans 10-1

 

[Jeep]

If we're 5-2 and the Bills and Jets are 7-2, that would rank us ahead of them, would it not?

Odds to win AFC East Championship
Dec 30, 2004 12:00 pm ET
Buffalo Bills 7-2
Miami Dolphins 5-2
New England Patriots 7-5
New York Jets 7-2


Odds to win AFC North Championship
Dec 30, 2004 12:00 pm ET
Baltimore Ravens 7-5
Cincinnati Bengals 12-5
Cleveland Browns 9-2
Pittsburgh Steelers 3-1


Odds to win AFC South Championship
Dec 30, 2004 12:00 pm ET
Houston Texans 5-1
Indianapolis Colts 6-5
Jacksonville Jaguars 17-5
Tennessee Titans 12-5

Odds to win AFC West Championship
Dec 30, 2004 12:00 pm ET

Denver Broncos 8-5
Kansas City Chiefs 11-10
Oakland Raiders 5-1
San Diego Chargers 8-1

Odds to win NFC East Championship
Dec 30, 2004 12:00 pm ET

Dallas Cowboys 12-5
New York Giants 5-1
Philadelphia Eagles 3-2
Washington Redskins 12-5


Odds to win NFC North Championship
Dec 30, 2004 12:00 pm ET

Chicago Bears 4-1
Detroit Lions 11-2
Green Bay Packers 6-5
Minnesota Vikings 9-5


Odds to win NFC South Championship
Dec 30, 2004 12:00 pm ET

Atlanta Falcons 12-5
Carolina Panthers 5-2
New Orleans Saints 9-2
Tampa Bay Buccaneers 8-5


Odds to win NFC West Championship
Dec 30, 2004 12:00 pm ET
Arizona Cardinals 7-1
San Francisco 49ers 7-1
Seattle Seahawks 6-5
St. Louis Rams 6-5