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Lay off Fasano.

I have to agree with most on here. Although the pass was not "ideal", it was still a very catchable ball. A pass will not always be perfect, or in stride with the receiver, but d@mn!, if you are able to put BOTH hands on the ball, you have to catch it. The ball was thrown slightly behind, but it still would've hit him in the numbers for that matter.

I am not bashing Fasano, in fact, I like Fasano but he is to blame more than Henne on that play. If people believe that is not a catchable ball for Fasano, then we desperately need to be looking for another TE who can take over the #1 spot at that position.
 
nato47 said:
I noticed the same thing. Fasano was jammed and defense was playing close to him. Clay was wide open toward the sideline. He handcuffs himself with his lack of field vision, starring down his primary target is a no no. Henne doesn't deserve all the blame though, Fasano has to catch that ball!
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This is a good post about the play. Fasano was jammed and completely covered. Had Fasano not been blanketed, Henne could have taken a little off the pass making it a little easier to catch. Also the ball was not perfect. It was between the shoulders but definitely not out in front leading the receiver. That being said Fasano should have caught the ball. Henne was not at fault for the intercepton but should have looked elsewhere. He jammed it in to a covered receiver. Sometimes it works sometimes it doesn't.
 
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Damn I can imagine all the Finheaveners at a bar critiquing every ***** that walks by . . . and in the end, nobody ends up getting any *****.
 
this to me illustrates the difference between henne lovers, henne haters and the very few realists that actually frequent this forum. henne lovers would never blame henne for this pass, henne haters would make every interception henne's fault even when the ball hits the reciever in the numbers, and a realist would say: wow, not perfect but when the ball hits you in the numbers you ****ing catch it. football 101.
 
fasano was jammed and completey covered...are you kiddin me...he was open as heck...in front of the outside squatting db and behind the trailing lb...the ball was catchable...inside shoulder he just fubbed it...although the throw was way too hard imo given the time fasano would have had to catch cradle and prepare for a hit

but jammed and covered...WRONG
 
It was definitely a poorly thrown pass. Fasano did have to a complete 180 to catch the ball. It was bad placement.

However, again, Fasano did get both hands on it.

It's one of those plays where oddly neither are to blame really. If Fasano catches it he gets praised for a great catch. It wasn't a well thrown ball, but if it was thrown leading him, then it does look as though he would have been clocked.

It's tough to place blame because it DEFINITELY is not Henne's fault. But at the same time, it's hard for me to blame Fasano when he had to do a complete 180 to get both hands on it.

I won't say it should have been caught, but it could have been caught
 
i will say it...it should have been caught...its on sparano and ireland to get a damn te who can adjust to a ball thrown to his inside shoulder by being able to turn his body...its called an athlete...we don't value athleticism at the te position...we value straight line linear guys...

yeah henne threw another fire ball from in tight but i know of plenty of te's in this league who make the adjustment and pluck that ball as if on a pillow...
 
GRYPHONK said:
It was definitely a poorly thrown pass. Fasano did have to a complete 180 to catch the ball. It was bad placement.

However, again, Fasano did get both hands on it.

It's one of those plays where oddly neither are to blame really. If Fasano catches it he gets praised for a great catch. It wasn't a well thrown ball, but if it was thrown leading him, then it does look as though he would have been clocked.

It's tough to place blame because it DEFINITELY is not Henne's fault. But at the same time, it's hard for me to blame Fasano when he had to do a complete 180 to get both hands on it.

I won't say it should have been caught, but it could have been caught
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If any of you read Hooshoops dicription of the play he is dead on. If Henne leads him he gets lit up by the squatting db. This is the best place for the ball. Fasano needed to catch it and turn but he does have the balance or the body control for that. Maybe henne should know that but the ball was were it should be. If he caught people would have said what perfect ball placement by Henne.
 
hooshoops said:
i will say it...it should have been caught...its on sparano and ireland to get a damn te who can adjust to a ball thrown to his inside shoulder by being able to turn his body...its called an athlete...we don't value athleticism at the te position...we value straight line linear guys...

yeah henne threw another fire ball from in tight but i know of plenty of te's in this league who make the adjustment and pluck that ball as if on a pillow...
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Right!! Do you acknowldge that Fasano had to do a complete 180? All you have to do is pause it at 54 secs the moment it Hits Fasanos hands he is already turned around.

I don't know how many of these TE'S that can magically pluck that out of the air like nothing. I am sure there are a few that can turn 180 degrees and catch it. I am sure they can.

But that catch is not made by a TE WITHOUT having to completely turn around.

There is throwing behind someone and then there is completely throwing behind someone.

With that said, Henne doesn't deserve blame really for that pass either.

If people were to take their biased, agenda ridden glasses off they wouldn't be blaming either really for that pass.
 
hahaha im so pumped this thread reached 60+ responses.
 
GRYPHONK said:
Right!! Do you acknowldge that Fasano had to do a complete 180? All you have to do is pause it at 54 secs the moment it Hits Fasanos hands he is already turned around.

I don't know how many of these TE'S that can magically pluck that out of the air like nothing. I am sure there are a few that can turn 180 degrees and catch it. I am sure they can.

But that catch is not made by a TE WITHOUT having to completely turn around.

There is throwing behind someone and then there is completely throwing behind someone.

With that said, Henne doesn't deserve blame really for that pass either.

If people were to take their biased, agenda ridden glasses off they wouldn't be blaming either really for that pass.
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agenda my *** how bout you know what you're talkin about...you act like plenty of te's don't go 180 degree turns with their upper bodies to make catches in this league...heck guys go over dbs down the seam all the time to go get the ball...legs pointing one way upper body turned back to the ball...and they do it with a db in thier hip...

difference is these athletes don't run boring underneath 5 yard out routes to get into second and 6...they bust you down the seam for 20 plus...or hit you with double moves in the red zone...etc

i'm sick of watching guys with loads in their pants at te...sick of it...get a real athlete and send him out down the field
 
Canadi-Phin said:
If any of you read Hooshoops dicription of the play he is dead on. If Henne leads him he gets lit up by the squatting db. This is the best place for the ball. Fasano needed to catch it and turn but he does have the balance or the body control for that. Maybe henne should know that but the ball was were it should be. If he caught people would have said what perfect ball placement by Henne.
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You sure it was dead on?

Do me a favor, pause that clip on page 4 right at 54 secs. You will see first that Fasano was completely turned around at that point.

You will also see the defender that supposedly would have lit Fasano up 3 yards off and at the moment that was hit Fasano he had just planted and begun to come back to the ball. If the ball was thrown in front of Fasano, chances are 50/50 that he can actually cut back a yard to get around that tackle and he had #31 there to help block.

SO no, it is not a dead on description.

Like I said, just pause at he 54 second mark. See what is happening on that still frame. Then watch it in live speed 3 or 4 times and you will see, that if the ball was thrown in front of Fasano it might have actually been a big play. It is not even a safe bet to say Fasano gets lit up.

It is hard to come to that conclusin when the moment Fasano touches the ball, the defender isn't moving and is about to start back. Normally, for Fasano to have gotten lit up the defender would have already been making a b-line at Fasano.

Once again, if people look at this objectively you wouldn't say it's Fasano's fault. But I wouldn't say it's Henne's either. It was just bad luck
 
hooshoops said:
agenda my *** how bout you know what you're talkin about...you act like plenty of te's don't go 180 degree turns with their upper bodies to make catches in this league...heck guys go over dbs down the seam all the time to go get the ball...legs pointing one way upper body turned back to the ball...and they do it with a db in thier hip...

difference is these athletes don't run boring underneath 5 yard out routes to get into second and 6...they bust you down the seam for 20 plus...or hit you with double moves in the red zone...etc

i'm sick of watching guys with loads in their pants at te...sick of it...get a real athlete and send him out down the field
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If you actually read my post rather then getting defensive you would have actually seen that said TE'S can make that catch. But of course, you didn't see that now did you.

You are a smart guy and a good poster. You should know that just because a catch CAN be made doesn't mean it SHOULD have been made.

So what u are now arguing, based on this last post is we should be upset with Fasano for not making a circus catch or a great catch? Majority of the TE'S in this league make that catch every time?
 
GRYPHONK said:
You sure it was dead on?

Do me a favor, pause that clip on page 4 right at 54 secs. You will see first that Fasano was completely turned around at that point.

You will also see the defender that supposedly would have lit Fasano up 3 yards off and at the moment that was hit Fasano he had just planted and begun to come back to the ball. If the ball was thrown in front of Fasano, chances are 50/50 that he can actually cut back a yard to get around that tackle and he had #31 there to help block.

SO no, it is not a dead on description.

Like I said, just pause at he 54 second mark. See what is happening on that still frame. Then watch it in live speed 3 or 4 times and you will see, that if the ball was thrown in front of Fasano it might have actually been a big play. It is not even a safe bet to say Fasano gets lit up.

It is hard to come to that conclusin when the moment Fasano touches the ball, the defender isn't moving and is about to start back. Normally, for Fasano to have gotten lit up the defender would have already been making a b-line at Fasano.

Once again, if people look at this objectively you wouldn't say it's Fasano's fault. But I wouldn't say it's Henne's either. It was just bad luck
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your missing one little tidbit in your pause the dvr analysis...all henne can see is that the db is outside of fasano...he can't judge how far away with the db is just that if he throws it out front the dbs out there and close...and will close...i'm not gonna sit here and say i know for sure what henne's thinking there but to me if all i can see is the db outside squatting and i can't judge distance i'm gonna throw the ball back inside to the inside shoulder provided the trailing backers not there which he wasn't and let my guy catch cradle and be ready for a hit in his back...instead of leading him into a potential big shot with his arms out and exposed

and if you do throw it out front and fasano tips it off his ffingers or whatever you are likely giving up a pick 6 from that squatting db...he's got nothing but real estate in front of him
 
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