Lazor Philosophy

[futurescout]

He is a WCO guy and so is Philbin, but hopefully he can mesh some of what Chip was doing in Philly with, Lazor's and Philbin's versions of the WCO. Some elements I would love to see from the Chip Kelly system are 1. Tempo- I would love to see us actually use a no huddle system and use the South Florida weather our advantage. It would also help the OL play because the opposition's DL would have to play a rotation. 2. Space- The biggest thing about Chip's offense is space, numbers, and leverage. They rarely run on 7 man boxes (unless in run situations like, redzone, shortyardage, backed up on own goalline, or 4 minute offense) And when flat defenders split the difference between the inside receiver and the end man on the line of scrimmage, Chip throws bubble screens to widen that defender out so you have optimal running lanes. 3. Zone read- I'm not saying we run Tannehill to death but there are 2 reasons why I love the zone read. The first is if you are facing a 6 man box, with the zone read you are getting 6 on 6 blocking. your 5 olineman blocking 5 box defenders and the QB essentially blocking the "read" defender. This can be the end man on the line of scrimmage, or a stacked linebacker. The 2nd reason is it makes edge defenders tentative. They are not so quick to get up the field, so it really slows down their pass rush. All three of these elements would go towards not only improving our offense, but really helping out our offensive line play, the biggest weakness on the team. In summary, I would love to see those 3 elements from the Chip Kelly system merged with Lazor and Philbin's WCO.

 

[So Be]

He is a WCO guy and so is Philbin, but hopefully he can mesh some of what Chip was doing in Philly with, Lazor's and Philbin's versions of the WCO. Some elements I would love to see from the Chip Kelly system are 1. Tempo- I would love to see us actually use a no huddle system and use the South Florida weather our advantage. It would also help the OL play because the opposition's DL would have to play a rotation. 2. Space- The biggest thing about Chip's offense is space, numbers, and leverage. They rarely run on 7 man boxes (unless in run situations like, redzone, shortyardage, backed up on own goalline, or 4 minute offense) And when flat defenders split the difference between the inside receiver and the end man on the line of scrimmage, Chip throws bubble screens to widen that defender out so you have optimal running lanes. 3. Zone read- I'm not saying we run Tannehill to death but there are 2 reasons why I love the zone read. The first is if you are facing a 6 man box, with the zone read you are getting 6 on 6 blocking. your 5 olineman blocking 5 box defenders and the QB essentially blocking the "read" defender. This can be the end man on the line of scrimmage, or a stacked linebacker. The 2nd reason is it makes edge defenders tentative. They are not so quick to get up the field, so it really slows down their pass rush. All three of these elements would go towards not only improving our offense, but really helping out our offensive line play, the biggest weakness on the team. In summary, I would love to see those 3 elements from the Chip Kelly system merged with Lazor and Philbin's WCO.

So, ya got no idea what his philosophy is, and you're guessing like the rest of us? Misleading title.

 

[futurescout]

So, ya got no idea what his philosophy is, and you're guessing like the rest of us? Misleading title.

First five words of thread.....

 

[TheWalrus]

Yeah, I like the idea of using tempo, especially in the running game. People think of the hurry up passing game but I think it works better with the run. The Patriots have been doing this for a few years now. Kelly did it at Oregon and Malzahn does it at Auburn.

Unfortunately we do not have the RAC receivers that they have in Philly to help widen out those defenders between the end man and the slot.

 

[futurescout]

So, ya got no idea what his philosophy is, and you're guessing like the rest of us? Misleading title.

Coached with Holmgren one of the masters of the WCO and Heckert added some elements of it with Philly. Also Philbin wasn't gonna hire an OC without a WCO background

 

[futurescout]

Yeah, I like the idea of using tempo, especially in the running game. People think of the hurry up passing game but I think it works better with the run. The Patriots have been doing this for a few years now. Kelly did it at Oregon and Malzahn does it at Auburn.

Unfortunately we do not have the RAC receivers that they have in Philly to help widen out those defenders between the end man and the slot.

Gibson and Mathews or even Clay could be used for that. [video=youtube;S8spfdfzGUA]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=S8spfdfzGUA[/video] in this video Gus talks about only trying to run the ball between the tackles against Alabama when they are in tempo. They couldn't match Alabama's physicality at the point of attack, or the run fits by the LBs.. but when Dlineman get gassed and stand straight up it's easy to get movement that way. I wasn't necessarily implying to go tempo to throw, rather use it in all aspects of the offense.

 

[Awsi Dooger]

Hurry up and run the ball is a cleanser. If Lazor brings that, then we'll be on the uptick without changing much of anything else. I'm not a big fan of Oregon or Auburn or Chip Kelly but there's no denying that faced past offense is effective as long as it's based on high volume runs and not merely an excuse to line up quickly and wing it mindlessly. The Patriots were the recent team to bring up tempo running to the NFL, particularly after a big play or upon entering the red zone. Very effective.

One caution is that you need to be physical to pull off that type of approach. Oregon suffers because it is narrow on both sides of the ball and can be overpowered. Stanford pushed them around physically the past two seasons. Auburn is more rugged than Stanford. Philadelphia was not as physical as ideal, with McCoy as the feature back.

When the Eagles faltered this season they panicked and got away from running the ball. There were several games with 20 rushes or fewer, which I never would have expected from a Kelly offense. Even the playoff game was poorly executed, allowing the Saints to run the ball 14 more times than they did, 36 to 22. Foles strangely passed often on first and second down in the first half despite New Orleans' strength in pass defense and a weak rushing defense, allowing 4.6 yards per rush. I had Saints +3 via my Yards Per Pass Differential system and my primary concern before the game was that the Eagles would relentlessly run the ball at fast tempo. When that wasn't happening at all and halftime ended with the Eagles up only 1 point and with a meager 11 rushing attempts, I was very confident New Orleans would win straight up.

 

[So Be]

First five words of thread.....

Which thread?

 

[Awsi Dooger]

Yeah, I like the idea of using tempo, especially in the running game. People think of the hurry up passing game but I think it works better with the run. The Patriots have been doing this for a few years now. Kelly did it at Oregon and Malzahn does it at Auburn.

Sorry. I didn't mean to repeat your themes. Your post wasn't here when I began mine.

 

[So Be]

Coached with Holmgren one of the masters of the WCO and Heckert added some elements of it with Philly. Also Philbin wasn't gonna hire an OC without a WCO background

No doubt but, there are so many versions of a WCO. From what I read from Sherman, Philbin would like to throw the ball every play.

 

[TheWalrus]

Sorry. I didn't mean to repeat your themes. Your post wasn't here when I began mine.

No worries. You said it better than I did. Well, except about not caring for Malzahn. One of the few upsides of keeping Philbin is that once Malzahn has another year at Auburn he'll be looked at as more of a reasonable coach of an NFL team. Only the Browns have been sniffing around him this year but ultimately I think they'll be risk adverse and hire someone else. His ability to adapt his scheme and game plan before and during games is unique among coaches I've seen. Belichick is the gold standard for this but it doesn't seem like it's a talent Dolphins fans appreciate enough even though we should. It'd be nice to have a coach at least approaching his level at that.

 

[Danny]

We needto remember that not every offense is going to work unless you have the players to run it.Philly has way more speed than we do. You have to use what you have and make the most of it.

Ozzy rules!!

 

[Mudder1310]

I've been trying to tell people that Kelly's offense isn't super exotic. He uses speed and motion to create mismatches and gaps for guys to run through. Did anyone notice how often Foles threw to wide open dudes? It's not because Riley Cooper can't be covered.

 

[futurescout]

No worries. You said it better than I did. Well, except about not caring for Malzahn. One of the few upsides of keeping Philbin is that once Malzahn has another year at Auburn he'll be looked at as more of a reasonable coach of an NFL team. Only the Browns have been sniffing around him this year but ultimately I think they'll be risk adverse and hire someone else. His ability to adapt his scheme and game plan before and during games is unique among coaches I've seen. Belichick is the gold standard for this but it doesn't seem like it's a talent Dolphins fans appreciate enough even though we should. It'd be nice to have a coach at least approaching his level at that.

Beyond their offensive scheme.. Chip and Gus are amazing football coaches who will be legends for a long, long time

 

[Awsi Dooger]

Walrus, I wanted the SEC streak to end. That's the primary reason I wasn't pulling for Malzahn and Auburn. Besides, they've been incomparably fortunate in both of their recent big years. That's an annoyance. In 2011, Clemson dropped a simple winning touchdown pass in overtime in the opener at Auburn. Otherwise that title shot ends before it starts. Auburn wasn't highly rated in preseason and could not have advanced to the BCS championship game above TCU with one loss. People tend to forget how high TCU's power rating was that year. They were favored over 1-loss Wisconsin in the Rose Bowl.

Also, Alabama contributed greatly to Auburn's huge comeback win in that 2010 game. It got to be a 24-0 deficit but rightfully should have been much greater than that. Ingram fumbled deep in Auburn territory and the ball somehow straddled the sideline and went into the end zone for a touchback instead of normally going out of bounds for Alabama to retain possession. Then Trent Richardson dropped an easy touchdown pass at the 2 yard line, leading to a field goal instead of a 28-0 lead.

Normally I don't like adjustments but Malzahn has benefited immensely from oddities in both 2010 and 2013. Kind of weird that Auburn has has poor breaks in weaker seasons like 2011 and 2012 but in their big years they get all the breaks, instead of relative obscurity via 2 regular season losses.