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Legit QUESTION in Re Penny/Henne

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While I am a die-hard Dolphins fan, I am more of a casual NFL fan in favor of college football. I don't keep up with the rest of the league as much as some of you and I have a short memory when it comes to the going-ons of the NFL.

So I have a question that's been boiling in my head since Henne did a decent job in training camp.

Aren't most (or at least a good number) of great/legendary QBs thrust into the game too early? Don't they quickly get their act together in a season or two and then grow to shine?

If I remember correctly Marino got the start half-way through his rookie season, posted a record passer rating for a rookie, and then went on to be the greatest quarterback in the history of the game. Big Ben, whiile maybe not HoF (yet) is definitely an exciting and competitive QB, he started like his 3rd game or something and had an amazing season. Montana started his second season. Elway took a team to the playoffs his rookie season.

Here is my question: Is trial by fire really as bad as some of you make it sound?? I keep hearing "if he's not ready, he'll be horrible and we'll screw him like we did Beck!" But... maybe Beck just wasn't good enough? Maybe this should be the test for a good quaterback.... throw them to the wolves, if they come back with a wolf-hide football then we have a winner.. if he doesn't then at least we know.

I understand what some of your are saying about bringing a QB up..... but you have to at least admit that this also isn't a full-proof plan and many "brought up" QBs NEVER prosper in the league.

Even if the success rate for bringing up a quarterback rather than trial by fire is a little better..... isn't it worth knowing sooner?

I really haven't made up my mind yet, but I'm starting to fall into the camp that believes that this "bringing up a QB" talk is more talk than truth. This thread is not to talk about whether Henne/Penne should start, but about QB philosophy. I think throwing them to the wolves, might be the better way to find greatness.
 
Also look at Brady. I don't know what season he became the starter. Either first or second though.

One of the biggest things that will make or break a quarterback is if he is willing to get beat up. If he is a little ***** like beck, he won't be a good qb unless he has a stellar line in front of him.
 
Marino was a rare exception. I think most QB's do well sitting for a year or two and then getting their shot. A few examples are A. Rogers, C. Palmer, even Jay Cutler started late in his first year. I feel we'd be better off letting Henne get some limited playing time, as he did yesterday, but taking most of this year off. Get him ready to start next year. We're still a good offseason and draft away from being competative.
 
TGall13 said:
Marino was a rare exception. I think most QB's do well sitting for a year or two and then getting their shot. A few examples are A. Rogers, C. Palmer, even Jay Cutler started late in his first year. I feel we'd be better off letting Henne get some limited playing time, as he did yesterday, but taking most of this year off. Get him ready to start next year. We're still a good offseason and draft away from being competative.
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Look at Aaron Rodgers, wow, if you stand far away enough from the TV he LOOKS like Brett Farve, he has he tendacies. No boubt Rodgers has benefitted by sitting. Nice job by the Packers for now delaying his growth another year by keeping Brett Farve now. I also think when Brady Quinn finally gets in, he too will benefit from sitting, and watching.
 
Well to oppose your argument guys like Aaron Rogers and Tony Romo are guys who were brought up in a system for a few years and then got the starts, and they are looking pretty successful so far. Rogers so far looks like hes been playing in the NFL for 10 years under the same system.

But i like what i see from Henne so far.

And if penny continues to struggle, leading to 8-9 men in the box, i wouldn't be opposed to throwing henne in there because he can spread the field more than penny can. Our only TD drive came when Henne was put in. That should tell us something.
 
to me its simple, for the next four games give Henne a series or two to get his feet wet. then after those four games you let him start.
 
MiamiFinsJC said:
Well to oppose your argument guys like Aaron Rogers and Tony Romo are guys who were brought up in a system for a few years and then got the starts, and they are looking pretty successful so far. Rogers so far looks like hes been playing in the NFL for 10 years under the same system.
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Good point and those are great examples.

However, a question that can never be answer remains. Rogers/Romo sat out for years... how do you know that they wouldn't have come out just like Big Ben if Favre/Bledsoe hadn't been in the picture? Maybe all those teams did was waste 2-3 years of great quarterbacking?
 
troy aikman and both peyton and eli manning started from the beginning and were "thrown to the wolves" as you guys like to say. and look how they all turned out.


THEY ALL HAVE SUPERBOWL WINS!!!
 
dol_fan said:
troy aikman and both peyton and eli manning started from the beginning and were "thrown to the wolves" as you guys like to say. and look how they all turned out.


THEY ALL HAVE SUPERBOWL WINS!!!
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And they all had talent around them unlike this team.
 
NY8123 said:
And they all had talent around them unlike this team.
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that may be true. but troy was 1-15 his first year. peyton was i think like 3-13 his first few years. and i don't think eli and the giants were that great his first few years. so they may have had talet. but it didn't really work out.
 
you are correct in that you dont want to rush people into it, i wouldnt mind giving him a series or two here and there, but if he is looking composed, making decent reads... making throw he needs too... i am telling you that last drive was steady, it looked like he had that offense together too, the offensive line was blocking, the running game got going a bit, WR's had some SEPERATION.... it was nice to see thge ball getting there with an arm...... after bye week??? just a question.... if Henne gets in a bit against New England and shows something, maybe after bye week, maybe half way through the season.... i wouldnt mind seeing him slowly make his way into the helm.




NY8123 said:
And they all had talent around them unlike this team.
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dol_fan said:
that may be true. but troy was 1-15 his first year. peyton was i think like 3-13 his first few years. and i don't think eli and the giants were that great his first few years. so they may have had talet. but it didn't really work out.
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You are right Troy was 1-15 and the next two years were not all that better. Payton threw more interceptions than TDs his first year and Eli well Eli had a lot of growing pains even with a good team around him.

Even with all that I still think Henne will benefit from sitting this year just like Rivers in San Diego. Rivers had a much better first and second year starting than any of the QB’s above.
 
I don't understand putting a rookie Qb in half way through the season after we are eliminated from the playoffs. I think he would play better if he and his team still had a shot to make the playoffs. I mean bringing a guy into a losing atmosphere where players are pissed and fans are pissed and there is no chance to achieve anything seems risky to me.
 
Personally, Im of the opinion that QBs are not screwed up by throwing them out to the wolves. Sure, some fail miserably, but they didnt have what it takes anyway. To be successful as a QB, you HAVE to be mentally tough. The ones that crumbled simply didnt have what it took. You can say Beck had his confidence ruined because of last year, but if that shook him, what would happen when he hits a rough patch when we eventually decided to start him after keeping him on the bench for a year? He would fold in exactly the same way. You are either mentally tough or not. McNabb was booed all the time, even as soon as he was drafted, but he had what it took to be successful. Eli Manning was garbage and the fans let him know it. But he had the metal toughness. The failures simply didnt.
 
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