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I feel very strongly about this but I am sure I am gonna get a beat down for this, but I am a man who stands up for what he believes regardless how unpopular it may be. First I want to say that I am impressed with the FO so far, for the first time since Jimmy the people pulling the strings aren't playing scared and showing some guts. I think that needs to be taken one step farther and that is to make Lemon the starting quarterback. Is it alot easier to make culpepper the starter? oh yea, he has a name and not many would question the decision. I am about to make a list of the important apsects of being quarterback and lets see what people think:

1. Decision Making: Granted we haven't seen a lot of Lemon but I have seen enough of culpepper to know he simply holds onto the ball way to long and takes forever to make decisions. How many of you said the year that culpepper got hurt it was his first year without Linehan and he was in a new offense? I know I did. Well here we are again, culpepper in a new offense. Did I mention Lemon has already been in this offense under cam? ... edge = Lemon

2. Pocket Awareness/Mobility: We all know about culpeppers mobility issues and the huge amount of sacks he takes. How did cleo look against Indy last year in this apsect? I was impressed, I saw poise and a ton of awareness. edge = Lemon

3. Protecting the football: Culpeppers small hands and fumbling problems are well documented, I am not sure what else needs to be said, edge = Lemon.

4. Arm Strength: I thought cleo showed an extremely strong arm against Indy and we all know culpeeper has a strong arm. Phil simms brought it up several times in the indy game, this one is a push.

5. Experience: Culpepper has a ton more experince than Lemon there is no doubt about that. edge = Culpepper.

I think it would take a huge sack to go with Lemon over culpepper, but I truely believe it would be the better decision, both for the short term and the long term. Saban had no balls and played Harrington, it was well documented mueller wanted cleo to play instead, lets see what happens :ninja:
 
Pretty well thoughtout but the fact remains that our line is simply not that good and at the time minisota was not good at all. Don't get me wrong, I think cleo has some skills I watched him play back in tha day at ASU and he is a coaches son so he does everything pretty well but he doesn't have that over the edge skills that you need in crunch time.

If Cullpepper
 
If C-pep is healthy he should get the start, it should be clear as to who looks the best after about the second preseason game thats what they are for!
 
Todd347347 said:
I feel very strongly about this but I am sure I am gonna get a beat down for this, but I am a man who stands up for what he believes regardless how unpopular it may be. First I want to say that I am impressed with the FO so far, for the first time since Jimmy the people pulling the strings aren't playing scared and showing some guts. I think that needs to be taken one step farther and that is to make Lemon the starting quarterback. Is it alot easier to make culpepper the starter? oh yea, he has a name and not many would question the decision. I am about to make a list of the important apsects of being quarterback and lets see what people think:

1. Decision Making: Granted we haven't seen a lot of Lemon but I have seen enough of culpepper to know he simply holds onto the ball way to long and takes forever to make decisions. How many of you said the year that culpepper got hurt it was his first year without Linehan and he was in a new offense? I know I did. Well here we are again, culpepper in a new offense. Did I mention Lemon has already been in this offense under cam? ... edge = Lemon

2. Pocket Awareness/Mobility: We all know about culpeppers mobility issues and the huge amount of sacks he takes. How did cleo look against Indy last year in this apsect? I was impressed, I saw poise and a ton of awareness. edge = Lemon

3. Protecting the football: Culpeppers small hands and fumbling problems are well documented, I am not sure what else needs to be said, edge = Lemon.

4. Arm Strength: I thought cleo showed an extremely strong arm against Indy and we all know culpeeper has a strong arm. Phil simms brought it up several times in the indy game, this one is a push.

5. Experience: Culpepper has a ton more experince than Lemon there is no doubt about that. edge = Culpepper.

I think it would take a huge sack to go with Lemon over culpepper, but I truely believe it would be the better decision, both for the short term and the long term. Saban had no balls and played Harrington, it was well documented mueller wanted cleo to play instead, lets see what happens :ninja:
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What offense is that?
 
I dont think its a matter of Culppper being better in a "vs." scenario. I think Lemon simply fits and Culpepper does not. I think Cam is thinking he would never go for DC in the first place even if he was available because it is not what he looks for in a QB.

he is looking more for decision skills and being quick and knowing all your reads. That is a knock on DC plus his huge salary is a big detriment in this managements opinion I am afraid. Which would explain Trent Green.
 
The Trent green thing confused me at first, but now it makes sense. Cleo starts, Green is the backup and we draft someone to develop. Altho I doubt we get Green.
 
Todd347347 said:
I feel very strongly about this but I am sure I am gonna get a beat down for this, but I am a man who stands up for what he believes regardless how unpopular it may be. First I want to say that I am impressed with the FO so far, for the first time since Jimmy the people pulling the strings aren't playing scared and showing some guts. I think that needs to be taken one step farther and that is to make Lemon the starting quarterback. Is it alot easier to make culpepper the starter? oh yea, he has a name and not many would question the decision. I am about to make a list of the important apsects of being quarterback and lets see what people think:

1. Decision Making: Granted we haven't seen a lot of Lemon but I have seen enough of culpepper to know he simply holds onto the ball way to long and takes forever to make decisions. How many of you said the year that culpepper got hurt it was his first year without Linehan and he was in a new offense? I know I did. Well here we are again, culpepper in a new offense. Did I mention Lemon has already been in this offense under cam? ... edge = Lemon

It's not a new offense. Cam and Linehan are both Coryell/Gilbride/Turner apostles. The major difference will be the play calling, not the scheme, and Cam is noted as adjusting his scheme/calling more to the particular skill set his players have vs Linehan's more rigid approach. Lemon has more time with Cam. CPep has always been notorious for holding onto the ball, all 6 or so years with over 3600 yrds per, but he's had the mobility to do that and get away with it prior to the injury. Will he get that mobility back ?? We won't know till he plays again.


2. Pocket Awareness/Mobility: We all know about culpeppers mobility issues and the huge amount of sacks he takes. How did cleo look against Indy last year in this apsect? I was impressed, I saw poise and a ton of awareness. edge = Lemon

Mobility issues are related to his injury. How he comes back this year should finalize the question. In fact, he was known as a very mobile qb, prior to the injury. CPep's pocket awareness has never been an issue.

3. Protecting the football: Culpeppers small hands and fumbling problems are well documented, I am not sure what else needs to be said, edge = Lemon.

Ok, got us there, but it didn't stop him from throwing for a lot of yards and lot of TDs. It didn't stop him from getting to the pro bowl either...

4. Arm Strength: I thought cleo showed an extremely strong arm against Indy and we all know culpeeper has a strong arm. Phil simms brought it up several times in the indy game, this one is a push.

So, what's the deal ?? Cleo showed IN ONE GAME that he has a strong arm and that negates the fact that CPep certainly has a stronger one than he ??


5. Experience: Culpepper has a ton more experince than Lemon there is no doubt about that. edge = Culpepper.

I think it would take a huge sack to go with Lemon over culpepper, but I truely believe it would be the better decision, both for the short term and the long term. Saban had no balls and played Harrington, it was well documented mueller wanted cleo to play instead, lets see what happens :ninja:
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I'm not saying that I'd be shocked if Lemon were starting, but it would be more evidence that Cam wants to erase the slate and start over.

In the end though, we'll see Cam go with the guy that gives us the best opportunity to win and that has to be CPep, if for nothing more the fact that other than being a camp arm, Lemon's shown us next to nothing. CPep has a pro bowl or so on his resume and 8 yrs experience actually playing (as opposed to sitting the pine).

The question is simply whether CPep can get past the injury issues. There is no question who the better QB is, when healthy.
 
Todd347347 said:
Cleo played for san diego when Cam was the the OC... that offense.
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But that wasn't Cam's offense. It was Schottenheimer's. It wasn't until this past season that Marty allowed Cam to open up the offense.
 
cpep is the better qb and will be healthy and will win......and im sure of it
 
I can't wait til after the draft, then all with be set and we can have real debates about who starts. Culpepper is a goner, he doesn't fit Cameron's offense. I keep saying it but it keeps going in one ear and out the other with alot of you guys
 
nick1 said:
I can't wait til after the draft, then all with be set and we can have real debates about who starts. Culpepper is a goner, he doesn't fit Cameron's offense. I keep saying it but it keeps going in one ear and out the other with alot of you guys
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Nick...need to pay a little more attention to what some of us are saying. Linehan and Cam run the same Coryell/Gilbride/Turner offense.

The major differences are two-fold...1) Cam is more adept at adjusting the offense to fit the skill set of the players he has than Linehan is. That's not a knock on either way, just the way that Cam does it (more Turner-ish, whereas Linehan is more Gilbride-ish). I'm not opposed to either method, just the results and both have proven to be successful in their own rights.

Second is the play calling. Cam seems to be inclined to rely more on the run, particularly later in the game and Linehan is a little more wide open in his play calls with regardless to whether he's holding a lead or whatever the situation is at that time. Again, both have been pretty successful.

CPep fits this offense just fine. Being a mobile QB (as he once was) is not a prerequisite, but adds something to scheme if the QB has better mobility. This offense is notorious for statuesque QBs.

Still, the thought that Cam would choose Lemon over CPep (provided he's healthy) is pretty out there. The question is, and I don't know the numbers, but how bad would the cap be hit by dumping CPep this year versus keeping him around, seeing if he can get his old stuff back and then work out a trade next year to get some value back for the pick we gave up for him. The idea of getting Quinn is pretty far-fetched as well. It really doesn't appear as tho he'll be there. Taking a chance that the guy we want/need won't be in available to us in April is not very sound. If he happens to fall to us...by all means, jump on it and evaluate what to do with CPep then.
 
LarryFinFan said:
Nick...need to pay a little more attention to what some of us are saying. Linehan and Cam run the same Coryell/Gilbride/Turner offense.

The major differences are two-fold...1) Cam is more adept at adjusting the offense to fit the skill set of the players he has than Linehan is. That's not a knock on either way, just the way that Cam does it (more Turner-ish, whereas Linehan is more Gilbride-ish). I'm not opposed to either method, just the results and both have proven to be successful in their own rights.

Second is the play calling. Cam seems to be inclined to rely more on the run, particularly later in the game and Linehan is a little more wide open in his play calls with regardless to whether he's holding a lead or whatever the situation is at that time. Again, both have been pretty successful.

CPep fits this offense just fine. Being a mobile QB (as he once was) is not a prerequisite, but adds something to scheme if the QB has better mobility. This offense is notorious for statuesque QBs.

Still, the thought that Cam would choose Lemon over CPep (provided he's healthy) is pretty out there. The question is, and I don't know the numbers, but how bad would the cap be hit by dumping CPep this year versus keeping him around, seeing if he can get his old stuff back and then work out a trade next year to get some value back for the pick we gave up for him. The idea of getting Quinn is pretty far-fetched as well. It really doesn't appear as tho he'll be there. Taking a chance that the guy we want/need won't be in available to us in April is not very sound. If he happens to fall to us...by all means, jump on it and evaluate what to do with CPep then.
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does he have the traits Cameron values above all in QBs? no he doesn't
 
Quick reads=not CPep
 
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