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A number of brothers have suggested that Grier's has either not been trying because he's been hamstrung by ownership, or alternately, he's just too dumb to know which players he should be signing... some of the theories have been vaguely conspiratorial.

So I wondered...

Who would you have signed that has already been signed by someone else? And be reasonable... we would have had to outbid the team he signed with... say 10-20% more, and that assumes the player you want isn't joining an old coach or going home (that'll cost extra). ...and as a bonus, who would you have restructured to pay for him.

Listening...
Okay, I'll bite.

First off if I had been the GM for the last couple of seasons, we wouldn't find ourselves in this mess to begin with.

If I had recently been hired after the 2024 season, signing free agents would not be a priority for the Dolphins. It would be clearing up the cap, trading off assets that don't project to be impact players in 2027 and beyond. Guys like Ramsey, Chubb, Tyreek, Tua would all be traded and I'd eat the dead cap hits in 25 & 26.

My view, this team cannot be fixed in one or even two offseasons.

Id be looking to accumulate as many picks as possible in 25, 26 & 27. With the eye on having massive cap space in 2027. This would lead me to trade guys like Waddle, Achane & anyone else who has great value. The goal would be to hit rock bottom in 25 & 26.

In the draft, the emphasis would be on trench players who project to 10 year "good" starters, less project players based on what they can do at the combine and more focused on production and leadership traits.

We need a culture change and unless most of the guys who've been indoctrinated into the current culture get jettisoned, the team will continue to struggle.

Build the next iteration of the Dolphins through the draft and key free agency signings in 2027 with the goal to start a dynasty in 2028 through 2032.
 
I think many people here are not upset and what grier has done THIS off season but rather, they’re upset at to what he's done in the past that got us here. Grier was given a blank canvas to build this team. He was given the go ahead to trade all the top players for picks and to clear the cap and THEN, he was supposed to use those picks and money to build the team. The question is, has he done a good job of building the team? Well, he's made a lot of mistakes trying to build the team and it started by him trying to take a short cut right away. He wasted a 2nd round pick on Rosen when everyone knew this team wasn’t ready to carry a young QB that had no confidence at that time. Then he went and got Fitz in order to win a few games that meant nothing and hence, they ended up picking 5th instead of getting the top pick in every round. Then he tried taking yet another short cut by trading a bunch of picks for some very expensive players which did two things. It messed up our cap situation and left us with a grand total of 8 picks for the 2022 and 2023 drafts combined. What did we get in two years worth of drafts? Achane and nothing else. Yes I know people are going to say we got Hill/Chubb and Ramsey with those picks and yes, they’re all good players but again, it got us to this off season with not much cap space and the team going in the wrong direction.

For people thinking that he's been "smart" with the money this off season. What choice did he have with our cap situation and before you tell me that he could have restructured some more deals to create cap space, I will say that's part of the reason why our cap situation was as bad as it was going into this off season. At this point we're going to need not a good draft but a great draft along with everyone staying healthy just to try to get a wildcard spot in the playoffs.

What I would have done differently is what Detroit did. They built thru the draft. They didn’t trade picks for expensive nor by moving up in the draft. They drafted smart.....they had more injuries last year than we did and yet they won 15 games before all those injuries caught up to them and that's a team going in the right direction
All true.

We tried to hurry the process, and took a few shortcuts. We brought in high $ players at the cost of multiple high draft picks before the foundation was in place. Even that might have worked out better had we not kept changing HCs/DCs?philosophies/systems.

Even since McD has been here, a different DC every year with different schemes.

Hard to build and progress year over year.
 
Overall he’s done a solid job.

The reality is this was a super weak free agent class.

Love the Daniels, punter and NWI along with resigning Dodson

The safeties and Artie burns are solid signings.

Only thing I hate is Zach Wilson at 6 million.

A lot of people say Dre greenlaw was a miss but you’d be crying if we paid him 11.5 million coming off that injury. Dodson at 4 million is better and safer for the price.

Maybe becton at 10 million, not a scheme fit but the idea of some power on the left and finesse on the right is interesting at that price. Still have will hernendez and Tevin smith out there as well so we’ll see. One of those or going two cheaper guys together like Isiah Wynn and Trystan colon and I’d be happy.

We need DT’s but it’s one of the deepest DT classes in history maybe ever. Kenneth Grant still my target at 13 but we should get some good rotational guys in 3rd to 7th if we decide to go Membou/ oline
 
A number of brothers have suggested that Grier's has either not been trying because he's been hamstrung by ownership, or alternately, he's just too dumb to know which players he should be signing... some of the theories have been vaguely conspiratorial.

So I wondered...

Who would you have signed that has already been signed by someone else? And be reasonable... we would have had to outbid the team he signed with... say 10-20% more, and that assumes the player you want isn't joining an old coach or going home (that'll cost extra). ...and as a bonus, who would you have restructured to pay for him.

Listening...

I'm a big proponent of the "it's Ross" explanation because of what our problems have been.

I generally don't mind the low-key stuff which common sense tells us is coming from people below the Owner. I think most fans would agree. The small moves which the GM, HC and Scouts make possible really aren't what kill the Dolphins, in fact we generally love a lot of it. We often profit from our short-term / low-cost signings: Seiler, Mostert, Jonnu, etc.

We consistently turn up players who can play without signing big deals. We plug our holes surprisingly well. Moreover, we've been able to pull some really good talent from the top of the draft: Minkah, Wilkins, Tua, Ajax, Hunt, Waddle, Phillips, etc.



What I've had a problem with are the bigger "strategic" decisions:

- Should we have traded away a stud LT in his prime for a couple of picks? Meh. Draft picks are hit-and-miss. Stud LTs are valuable pieces, good for any offense and any young QB. Bird in hand is probably worth more than 2 in the bush.

- Should we have tanked our roster in '19 to the extent we did? I don't think so. Who else has done that and not ended up floundering? I understood it as a way to brute force our way into a QB but most of the top QBs were drafted naturally at positions all across R1, not just at the very top of R1: Allen at #7, Mahomes at #10, Jackson at #32, Hurts at #53, etc.

* Btw, the trend among QBs isn't that the best ones are taken at the top, rather that the most successful ones are those that are drafted by organizations that are generally stable and already quite strong. My survey a year ago showed that almost anyone who's anyone at QB in the NFL went to a team that was very recently in the Playoffs the year or 2 prior.

- Should we have begun our rebuild with a QB before the team itself was ready? It's generally dangerous.

- Should we have hired a HC that didn't see eye-to-eye with the entire strategy? It doesn't seem logical. Should he have been forced to work with a QB he didn't want? In hindsight, the facts don't make Flores seem like a sensible hire given the team's agenda.

- Should we have taken a more balanced approach to spending in the Flores era instead of concentrating on heavy defensive contracts like Xavien Howard, Kyle Van Noy and Byron Jones? It seems so. Our best players on offense were Parker and Gesicki...not exactly luxury pieces for a young QB.

- Should we have acquired Tyreek Hill considering the picks and money it cost us? I would not have signed off on that considering he's a WR. It's ludicrous to do such a thing in today's NFL. He's a great player but I wouldn't try to build an entire offense around 1 superstar WR.

- Should we have broken the rules and tampered with Sean Payton? No. It cost us multiple picks. Or at least make sure to ink the deal if you cheat. The history of tampering, only to lose out on the guy seems common: Harbaugh, Watson, Payton, etc.

- Should we have traded for Bradley Chubb to help ensure we could make a run in '22 after Emmanuel Ogbah went on IR? I get the motivation but you've got to trust your internal pieces (e.g. Andrew Van Ginkel). Chubb is another good player who probably wasn't the best move for us to make in the long run. His cost and injury concerns just don't help us.



At the end of the day, I disagree with a lot of the philosophical, strategic and reactionary moves the team makes. Every few years we seem to decide that everything's wrong and we need to "fix everything" by uprooting what we're doing and completely re-starting with moves that take us in another direction.

First, we're about fixing our QB and our offense (Gase), then defense is our focus (Flores). Now we're back to being an offense-first franchise (McDaniel). At one point we're tanking but also about building a culture with tons of picks. Later, we're firing the HC who's supposed to be the source of that culture and we're off buying expensive pieces from around the NFL in FA/trade and our culture is very opposite of what Flores was installing which was much harsher on the players.

You can pick and choose because we've had everything. We've been the opposite of stable.

Nothing ever makes sense because nothing holds for more than 2-3 years at a time.

This doesn't point to a GM whose strategy is flawed. There are a million strategies going on at once...which one is supposed to be Grier's?!

This pattern of behavior points to an Ownership group that gets its hands dirty by getting involved in the affairs of the team. It sounds like Jerry Jones and his Cowboys, doesn't it?

Sad reality is that Ross probably has the team he wants...one he can constantly manipulate.
 
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I guess it depends on one's context definitions.

I don't think JG or Jones are reclamation projects. They have played to their ceiling. They are what they are.

In my thinking of the term, it's a guy who could potentially be better than what we have seen.

Also I consider the sample size. JG, in particular has played a lot, and on some decent teams.

Wilson, for example, hasn't played all that much, and when he did it was on a crap team (offensively at least) with crap coaching.

Not advocating for anything, just commenting on use of the term.
Quit trying to "fine tune" the meaning of a word until it doesn't mean anything.

At this point you can either "run for congress" or just admit that "Ray is Right". - LOL
 
A number of brothers have suggested that Grier's has either not been trying because he's been hamstrung by ownership, or alternately, he's just too dumb to know which players he should be signing... some of the theories have been vaguely conspiratorial.

So I wondered...

Who would you have signed that has already been signed by someone else? And be reasonable... we would have had to outbid the team he signed with... say 10-20% more, and that assumes the player you want isn't joining an old coach or going home (that'll cost extra). ...and as a bonus, who would you have restructured to pay for him.

Listening...

I would have signed Jimmy G instead of Wilson.

I would never have re-signed Eichenberg. The "experience at multiple OL positions" thing just doesn't make sense to me when the guy is bad at all of them. His best snaps have come at RG, and even then, they weren't all that good.

if I had Grier's track record with injury-prone players, I would have signed Zeitler over Daniels. This one may prove to be a brilliant signing by Grier, but it might blow up in his face. Again.

I wouldn't have done any more restructures than have been done.
 
I would have signed Jimmy G instead of Wilson.

I would never have re-signed Eichenberg. The "experience at multiple OL positions" thing just doesn't make sense to me when the guy is bad at all of them. His best snaps have come at RG, and even then, they weren't all that good.

if I had Grier's track record with injury-prone players, I would have signed Zeitler over Daniels. This one may prove to be a brilliant signing by Grier, but it might blow up in his face. Again.

I wouldn't have done any more restructures than have been done.

The "Eichenberg" situation just goes to show how hard it is to find really good OL players in the NFL.

Sometimes a team - any team- just has to make the most with whom they have.

Thats that facts, Jack. - LOL
 
All true.

We tried to hurry the process, and took a few shortcuts. We brought in high $ players at the cost of multiple high draft picks before the foundation was in place. Even that might have worked out better had we not kept changing HCs/DCs?philosophies/systems.

Even since McD has been here, a different DC every year with different schemes.

Hard to build and progress year over year.
and that's another thing....it seems like every year they come up with a different idea. There's never been a real vision/plan in place as to what they want this team to be......but one thing is for sure, we've had different coaches and different players and different systems and we still haven’t won a playoff game in 25 years and there's been one constant in all these years. Grier
 
The "Eichenberg" situation just goes to show how hard it is to find really good OL players in the NFL.

Sometimes a team - any team- just has to make the most with whom they have.

Thats that facts, Jack. - LOL

If Teven Jenkins signs for anywhere near what Miami is eventually revealed to be paying Eichenberg, I will strongly disagree.
 
Things I would have did differently.
Not signed Zach Wilson. Instead Mason Rudolph. Cheaper contract and I feel more confident that he can win games if tua is out. That is the point of a backup qb. Not to work on a long term project because he has a cannon arm. If we lose tua for 4 games I have more faith that Rudolph could win two games compared to Wilson. Again he was cheaper and we could use that money for my next move

With that extra money I would have signed Azee OJulari from the giants. He gets about 8 sacks per year. He just signed a 1 year 4 million deal with eagles. With Weaver coaching I think he would be great depth incase of injury at edge. We are currently looking to bring back ogbah and I rather have Ojulari instead of ogbah or bosa who we offered 8 million

I would have also used some of that free money from zach wilson to resign hand that went to chargers.

I would have upped the money to greenlaw from the niners. Maybe two million more. I think we could have got him instead of broncos.
I am not a fan of Dodson at a second linebacker.

Those are my big three differences for this offseason.
 
Tevin and Greenlaw...

I like the Tevin idea... still do...

No way I pay Greenlaw what he got.

But you answered the question and I agree with half of it.
I’m not near as passionate about Grier as some others. I just don’t like trading picks for players in their primes unless you’re a contender already or if it’s a proven QB or OT. It’s not how modern SB contenders are built, and the Dolphins were not SB contenders when the moves were made.

The 2025 FA class was more good than bad, but the roster has holes at too many starting positions today. You can’t build a team through FA, but you shouldn’t have 4 totally open starting positions after FA for a team with playoff aspirations.

The mistakes were made years ago, and those limit what can be done now. I’m not trying to avoid the question, but your question only tells part of the story IMO
 
and that's another thing....it seems like every year they come up with a different idea. There's never been a real vision/plan in place as to what they want this team to be......but one thing is for sure, we've had different coaches and different players and different systems and we still haven’t won a playoff game in 25 years and there's been one constant in all these years. Grier
Meh, I can't blame Grier for things before he was in charge and calling the shots. What was that, 6 years ago? Seven?
 
Things I would have did differently.
Not signed Zach Wilson. Instead Mason Rudolph. Cheaper contract and I feel more confident that he can win games if tua is out. That is the point of a backup qb. Not to work on a long term project because he has a cannon arm. If we lose tua for 4 games I have more faith that Rudolph could win two games compared to Wilson. Again he was cheaper and we could use that money for my next move

With that extra money I would have signed Azee OJulari from the giants. He gets about 8 sacks per year. He just signed a 1 year 4 million deal with eagles. With Weaver coaching I think he would be great depth incase of injury at edge. We are currently looking to bring back ogbah and I rather have Ojulari instead of ogbah or bosa who we offered 8 million

I would have also used some of that free money from zach wilson to resign hand that went to chargers.

I would have upped the money to greenlaw from the niners. Maybe two million more. I think we could have got him instead of broncos.
I am not a fan of Dodson at a second linebacker.

Those are my big three differences for this offseason.

I don't understand the fascination with Rudolph, particularly when presented as a better option than Wilson. They both have a history of bad decision-making, but the exception to me is that Wilson has shown some signs of improving, while Rudolph hasn't. Wilson's also five years younger.

At the moment, neither of them is particularly appealing to me as a winning option at QB2, but I believe Wilson has more potential to improve.
 
Quit trying to "fine tune" the meaning of a word until it doesn't mean anything.

At this point you can either "run for congress" or just admit that "Ray is Right". - LOL
You’re right? You’ve been completely wrong about everything 🤣 you are hilarious
 
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