I always view the posts on this site but never really comment or put my own opinion here. This isnt a gloomy post so dont worry. The facts are that Daunte hasn't been the same since the injury.We all hate Nick Satan but he was right it wasn't the knee that was really keeping him. For the C-pep supporters I understand your points and he does deserve a chance but i truthfully think we need another qb just in case c-pep cant do it. With that being said theres a reason the rumors of cam not being satisfied with c-pep are floating around. carr would be a nice sign but not trent green.We all know he had one great year but We need a long term answer not a short term he is 37 and we would be wasting a draft pick. I know this can be repeptitive for some of you and im sorry if it is. We need a #1 receiver imo. Chambers is a decent receiver but he is not a number 1. He is more like a slot or # 2. I think we should trade booker and pick up a 3rd for him. Hopefully that can give us enough picks to move up and get either calvin johnson which would be saying we are ok with c-pep or green/carr or draftquinn/russel.Hopefully we can have a great draft and this was just to state my opinion, no expert here.Also who do you guys really want with the 9th pick if we stay there?
Lets face the facts
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It seems as though no one outside of the organization truly knows how Culpepper is actually progressing in his recovery efforts. We have read various reports that his knee is not 100% healthy. Most of them, if not all, have been posted somewhere in the annals of this site. There is no question, nor should there be, as to the level of commitment and professionalism exhibited by Dante in his rehabilitation. I am confident that all of us are supportive of Culpepper and wish for him to recover from his severe injury. However, the mere thought that he isn't ready to play has led to much speculation as to the course of action our front office will take regarding the quarterback position.
There has been much banter about the possibilities of Trent Green coming to Miami in a trade with Kansas City, the prospects of adding free agent David Carr, or the possibilities of drafting [insert name here]. Surely, Cleo Lemon is on the roster, but is it reasonable to assume that he would be the anointed starter for the 2007 season? One should hope not. I am all in favor of exuding potential and converting it into wins, but reality will preclude me from assuming that Lemon will achieve just that.
Rather, I heed the words of our very own coach and he stated that [FONT=Verdana,Arial, Helvetica] "whoever our quarterback winds up being, it will be a guy who has earned the job[/FONT][FONT=Verdana,Arial, Helvetica]." It is in this author's opinion that the reason David Carr isn't already a Miami Dolphin is that the team doesn't want a "Joey Harrington" situation on its hands. Harrington had much potential while playing at Oregon, as did Carr playing at Fresno State. Carr gets drafted #1 overall in 2002 (Houston), while Harrington goes to the Lions at #3 overall. It's as though their NFL careers were mirror images of one another. So, the Dolphins trade a conditional draft pick to the Lions hoping that Harrington could lead the team in the event that Culpepper isn't capable of starting. Well, we know what happened next.
I don't even want to get into the whole release-Frerotte-trade-for-Dante-instead-of-signing-Brees fiasco of last off-season. Hindsight can be 20-20, but I never did nor will I accept that chaos. Sorry, I'm just venting here...
Fast-forward to present day and the Dolphins are apparently where they left off -- searching for a franchise quarterback since the days of, well, you know who. Carr may still become a serviceable quarterback, but why take a chance on him at this point? Arguments may be made that he played behind a terrible offensive line and had the highest completion percentage in the league last year. Sure, I would, too, if I'm dumping the ball inside ten yards to avoid getting thrashed around the field by an opposing defense. To be honest, it isn't as though he is going to be playing behind a better offensive line in Miami (at least, not at the moment). Carr could be no more effective than Harrington. So, the idea that Green could come here for, hopefully, a mid- to late-round draft pick and a restructured contract makes more sense. He understands the system and has established a genuine rapport with Terry Shea and Coach Cameron. However, Green would only be a temporary solution to the problem. Therefore, the answer may be found in the draft. The problem with that is finding that proverbial diamond in the rough.
Here are some statistics I compiled together for all of you savvy Dolfans (thanks to [/FONT]http://www.drafthistory.com)[FONT=Verdana,Arial, Helvetica]:
TOTAL # OF PLAYERS DRAFTED (1936-2006): 21,859
TOTAL # DRAFTED AS A QB (1936-2006): 852 (3.9%)
TOTAL # OF PLAYERS DRAFTED BY MIAMI (1966-2006): 501
TOTAL # DRAFTED AS A QB (1966-2006): 23 (4.6%)
TOTAL # OF PLAYERS DRAFTED BY LEAGUES (1966-2006, not incl. Miami): 13,119
TOTAL # DRAFTED AS A QB (1966-2006, not incl. Miami): 616 (4.7%)
So, the Dolphins have essentially drafted quarterbacks at nearly the same rate as the rest of the NFL. However, statistics are known to lie. A good question to ask is how often are the Dolphins drafting quarterbacks?
[/FONT][FONT=Verdana,Arial, Helvetica]It is interesting to note that the team drafted 14 quarterbacks in the pre-Marino era (1966-1982). Following the greatest QB draft of all time (1983), the team has only drafted eight (8) quarterbacks. Even more interesting is that of those eight (8) draft picks, seven (7) of them came when Marino was still playing! It is no wonder why the team has been trying to find replacements via free agency/trades since Marino retired. It is as if there has been reluctance to draft a player and develop him into a starter. The only problem is that most of the quarterbacks brought to Miami, whether via trade or free agency, have not been the long-term answer to the quarterback quandary.
Even so, how does one determine if a draft pick possesses the ability to avoid the "bust" label? Winning percentage? NFL records? Super Bowl appearances and/or wins? Hall of Fame "bust"? Well, if you go by winning Super Bowls, only 26 QBs have ever hoisted Lombardi (Kurt Warner was undrafted; Steve Young was drafted in 1984 from the USFL). History will show that Rex Grossman was the losing quarterback in Super Bowl XL, but that's not to say he was the catalyst to the Bears' appearance in the game (ahem, defense). I even doubt that Bears fans love the idea of him returning as the starter in 2007.
Even Peyton Manning had the "Can't Win The Big One" label until actually winning the Super Bowl. He never defeated the Florida Gators while playing college football at Tennessee. He hadn't defeated the New England Patriots in the playoffs until this post-season. Needless to say, his new label is "Super Bowl Champion." Coincidentally, references have been made to quarterbacks like Brady Quinn saying that "he doesn't show up for big games." Perhaps, if he had a better defense, then he may have won some more games at Notre Dame.
All of the scouting, analysis and scrutiny that college players are subjected to may or may not translate into greatness at the next level. The opinions of players will vary from team to team for a variety of reasons. It is inherently difficult to determine whether [/FONT]JaMarcus Russell (LSU), Brady Quinn (Notre Dame), Drew Stanton (Michigan State), John Beck (BYU), Trent Edwards (Stanford), Kevin Kolb (Houston) or anyone else will be a franchise quarterback. Could the quarterback drafted after Quinn be the future our team needs?
It just makes sense to follow the course of action taken by our front office at this point. I have trust in our general manager and offensive-minded head coach to find that "diamond in the rough." While Quinn may be most qualified to run an NFL-style offense, he may not be the right quarterback for this team. I'm not implying that the Dolphins shouldn't draft him if he was available. I'm merely suggesting that we don't sacrifice anything to get him. Remember, there are other positions of need still open (OL, WR, S).
In summary, this franchise has been relatively negligent in solidifying the most critical position on the team since Marino retired. If Dante Culpepper is the long-term answer, then he has a limited amount of time to prove his worth. If Trent Green is (sigh) the stopgap, then may he be traded in a short amount of time. Time will tell whether or not our first Coach/GM regime will yield a successful draft. It's about time, though, that this team draft a quarterback.
In reference to the 9th overall pick, I'd hope that the best player available based on talent is also a position of need.
There has been much banter about the possibilities of Trent Green coming to Miami in a trade with Kansas City, the prospects of adding free agent David Carr, or the possibilities of drafting [insert name here]. Surely, Cleo Lemon is on the roster, but is it reasonable to assume that he would be the anointed starter for the 2007 season? One should hope not. I am all in favor of exuding potential and converting it into wins, but reality will preclude me from assuming that Lemon will achieve just that.
Rather, I heed the words of our very own coach and he stated that [FONT=Verdana,Arial, Helvetica] "whoever our quarterback winds up being, it will be a guy who has earned the job[/FONT][FONT=Verdana,Arial, Helvetica]." It is in this author's opinion that the reason David Carr isn't already a Miami Dolphin is that the team doesn't want a "Joey Harrington" situation on its hands. Harrington had much potential while playing at Oregon, as did Carr playing at Fresno State. Carr gets drafted #1 overall in 2002 (Houston), while Harrington goes to the Lions at #3 overall. It's as though their NFL careers were mirror images of one another. So, the Dolphins trade a conditional draft pick to the Lions hoping that Harrington could lead the team in the event that Culpepper isn't capable of starting. Well, we know what happened next.
I don't even want to get into the whole release-Frerotte-trade-for-Dante-instead-of-signing-Brees fiasco of last off-season. Hindsight can be 20-20, but I never did nor will I accept that chaos. Sorry, I'm just venting here...
Fast-forward to present day and the Dolphins are apparently where they left off -- searching for a franchise quarterback since the days of, well, you know who. Carr may still become a serviceable quarterback, but why take a chance on him at this point? Arguments may be made that he played behind a terrible offensive line and had the highest completion percentage in the league last year. Sure, I would, too, if I'm dumping the ball inside ten yards to avoid getting thrashed around the field by an opposing defense. To be honest, it isn't as though he is going to be playing behind a better offensive line in Miami (at least, not at the moment). Carr could be no more effective than Harrington. So, the idea that Green could come here for, hopefully, a mid- to late-round draft pick and a restructured contract makes more sense. He understands the system and has established a genuine rapport with Terry Shea and Coach Cameron. However, Green would only be a temporary solution to the problem. Therefore, the answer may be found in the draft. The problem with that is finding that proverbial diamond in the rough.
Here are some statistics I compiled together for all of you savvy Dolfans (thanks to [/FONT]http://www.drafthistory.com)[FONT=Verdana,Arial, Helvetica]:
TOTAL # OF PLAYERS DRAFTED (1936-2006): 21,859
TOTAL # DRAFTED AS A QB (1936-2006): 852 (3.9%)
TOTAL # OF PLAYERS DRAFTED BY MIAMI (1966-2006): 501
TOTAL # DRAFTED AS A QB (1966-2006): 23 (4.6%)
TOTAL # OF PLAYERS DRAFTED BY LEAGUES (1966-2006, not incl. Miami): 13,119
TOTAL # DRAFTED AS A QB (1966-2006, not incl. Miami): 616 (4.7%)
So, the Dolphins have essentially drafted quarterbacks at nearly the same rate as the rest of the NFL. However, statistics are known to lie. A good question to ask is how often are the Dolphins drafting quarterbacks?
[/FONT][FONT=Verdana,Arial, Helvetica]It is interesting to note that the team drafted 14 quarterbacks in the pre-Marino era (1966-1982). Following the greatest QB draft of all time (1983), the team has only drafted eight (8) quarterbacks. Even more interesting is that of those eight (8) draft picks, seven (7) of them came when Marino was still playing! It is no wonder why the team has been trying to find replacements via free agency/trades since Marino retired. It is as if there has been reluctance to draft a player and develop him into a starter. The only problem is that most of the quarterbacks brought to Miami, whether via trade or free agency, have not been the long-term answer to the quarterback quandary.
Even so, how does one determine if a draft pick possesses the ability to avoid the "bust" label? Winning percentage? NFL records? Super Bowl appearances and/or wins? Hall of Fame "bust"? Well, if you go by winning Super Bowls, only 26 QBs have ever hoisted Lombardi (Kurt Warner was undrafted; Steve Young was drafted in 1984 from the USFL). History will show that Rex Grossman was the losing quarterback in Super Bowl XL, but that's not to say he was the catalyst to the Bears' appearance in the game (ahem, defense). I even doubt that Bears fans love the idea of him returning as the starter in 2007.
Even Peyton Manning had the "Can't Win The Big One" label until actually winning the Super Bowl. He never defeated the Florida Gators while playing college football at Tennessee. He hadn't defeated the New England Patriots in the playoffs until this post-season. Needless to say, his new label is "Super Bowl Champion." Coincidentally, references have been made to quarterbacks like Brady Quinn saying that "he doesn't show up for big games." Perhaps, if he had a better defense, then he may have won some more games at Notre Dame.
All of the scouting, analysis and scrutiny that college players are subjected to may or may not translate into greatness at the next level. The opinions of players will vary from team to team for a variety of reasons. It is inherently difficult to determine whether [/FONT]JaMarcus Russell (LSU), Brady Quinn (Notre Dame), Drew Stanton (Michigan State), John Beck (BYU), Trent Edwards (Stanford), Kevin Kolb (Houston) or anyone else will be a franchise quarterback. Could the quarterback drafted after Quinn be the future our team needs?
It just makes sense to follow the course of action taken by our front office at this point. I have trust in our general manager and offensive-minded head coach to find that "diamond in the rough." While Quinn may be most qualified to run an NFL-style offense, he may not be the right quarterback for this team. I'm not implying that the Dolphins shouldn't draft him if he was available. I'm merely suggesting that we don't sacrifice anything to get him. Remember, there are other positions of need still open (OL, WR, S).
In summary, this franchise has been relatively negligent in solidifying the most critical position on the team since Marino retired. If Dante Culpepper is the long-term answer, then he has a limited amount of time to prove his worth. If Trent Green is (sigh) the stopgap, then may he be traded in a short amount of time. Time will tell whether or not our first Coach/GM regime will yield a successful draft. It's about time, though, that this team draft a quarterback.
In reference to the 9th overall pick, I'd hope that the best player available based on talent is also a position of need.
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Wow I dont know if its possible to add anything to this post....Very interesting points and the draft stats where amazing...but can you find out the percentage per team in which teams draft a QB in the First Round???
finsforce
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I'll try to work on that now. I'll post a reply on this board ASAP. [NOTE: Thanks for the donation! I'm glad you enjoyed the post :D]
Great Post. My only problem with what you have said is what makes you think that with our OL that Trent Green will be able to scramble better, faster then David Carr. I believe that Carr's problem was his OL and i believe our OL from last season was better then the Texans. I also think that Carr would be a much better QB with our new OL then Green could be. Green is a pocket passer and by what you say I believe that he wouldn't stand a chance staying in the pocket with the OL that we are trying to put together this season. And thats why i think Carr would be a better fit for the Dolphins then Green. Hopefully we will have a good enough OL this season that our OB's won't get sacked so much but having a QB that can scramble to me is far better then one who can't. I also believe that given the same time to throw the ball that Green would have Carr can make all of the same throws. Just my Opinion.
finsforce
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Your wish has been fulfilled, your majesty...
KEY: Team, R1 QB picks/total QB picks in team history (%)
49ers, 7/34 (20.6)
Bears, 9/45 (20)
Bengals, 5/31 (16.1)
Bills, 2/24 (8.3)
BOS/NY Yanks/NY Bulldogs/DAL Texans, 2/3 (66.7)
Brooklyn Dodgers/Tigers, 0/2 (0)
Broncos, 2/24 (8.3)
Browns, 4/41 (9.8)
Buccaneers, 4/20 (20)
Cardinals, 7/42 (16.7)
Chargers, 3/24 (12.5)
Chiefs, 2/18 (11.1)
Colts, 8/44 (18.2)
Cowboys, 2/30 (6.7)
Dolphins, 2/23 (8.7)
Eagles, 4/34 (11.8)
Falcons, 4/22 (18.2)
Jaguars, 1/4 (25)
NY Giants, 3/31 (9.7)
NY Jets/Titans, 4/18 (22.2)
Lions, 9/32 (28.1)
Packers, 7/42 (16.7)
Panthers, 1/5 (20)
Patriots, 3/21 (14.3)
Raiders, 4/22 (18.2)
Rams, 4/44 (9.1)
Ravens, 1/7 (14.3)
Redskins, 10/42 (23.8)
Saints, 1/17 (5.9)
Seahawks, 2/14 (14.3)
Steelers, 6/42 (14.3)
Texans, 1/4 (25)
Titans/Oilers, 4/19 (21.1)
Vikings, 2/19 (10.5)
I'd break it down even further, but compiling this list was time consuming enough!
finsforce
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I'm only saying that Green is more familiar with the system and would be able to work with the offensive players more efficiently than Carr. I know that mini-camps and training camp can help Carr become better acclimated, but Green's readiness implies that he would be a better alternative.