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I want to compare our 3 QB's from lat year to prove a point. I am going to post numbers in this order. Games played, Completion Percentage, Yards per completion, and TD's to int's.

Trent Green: GP-5, CP-60.3%, YPC-7, TD-int- 5-7
Cleo Lemon: GP-9, CP-56.0%, YPC-5.7, TD-int- 6-6
John Beck: GP-5, CP-56.1%, YPC-5.2, TD-int- 1-3

Trent had the luxery of Brown and Chambers, and Lemon had Chambers for a lot of his games. My point is these numbers are very similar, with Green slightly better as to be expected, but not that much better.
So really this post is to anyone who said Trent or Cleo looked a lot better with our O-line last year... Um, no they didn't, here is the proof, along with our record. We as a team were pretty bad as a whole. So get off of Beck's jock.
 
67Stang said:
I want to compare our 3 QB's from lat year to prove a point. I am going to post numbers in this order. Games played, Completion Percentage, Yards per completion, and TD's to int's.

Trent Green: GP-5, CP-60.3%, YPC-7, TD-int- 5-7
Cleo Lemon: GP-9, CP-56.0%, YPC-5.7, TD-int- 6-6
John Beck: GP-5, CP-56.1%, YPC-5.2, TD-int- 1-3

Trent had the luxery of Brown and Chambers, and Lemon had Chambers for a lot of his games. My point is these numbers are very similar, with Green slightly better as to be expected, but not that much better.
So really this post is to anyone who said Trent or Cleo looked a lot better with our O-line last year... Um, no they didn't, here is the proof, along with our record. We as a team were pretty bad as a whole. So get off of Beck's jock.
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You do realize you're only referring to probably 3 posters, and consequently probably the 3 lowest wonderlic scorers! :sidelol:
 
You're right, a small turd thrown in your face is better than a massive turd thrown in your face.
 
Um i don't believe Lemon had Chambers for any of his games like you say. B/c he would of had to of been traded before week 6 which is the trade deadline, and Green played the first 5 games.
 
67Stang said:
I want to compare our 3 QB's from lat year to prove a point. I am going to post numbers in this order. Games played, Completion Percentage, Yards per completion, and TD's to int's.

Trent Green: GP-5, CP-60.3%, YPC-7, TD-int- 5-7
Cleo Lemon: GP-9, CP-56.0%, YPC-5.7, TD-int- 6-6
John Beck: GP-5, CP-56.1%, YPC-5.2, TD-int- 1-3

Trent had the luxery of Brown and Chambers, and Lemon had Chambers for a lot of his games. My point is these numbers are very similar, with Green slightly better as to be expected, but not that much better.
So really this post is to anyone who said Trent or Cleo looked a lot better with our O-line last year... Um, no they didn't, here is the proof, along with our record. We as a team were pretty bad as a whole. So get off of Beck's jock.
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Lemon only had Chambers for one game this year and after that he got traded
 
67Stang said:
I want to compare our 3 QB's from lat year to prove a point. I am going to post numbers in this order. Games played, Completion Percentage, Yards per completion, and TD's to int's.

Trent Green: GP-5, CP-60.3%, YPC-7, TD-int- 5-7
Cleo Lemon: GP-9, CP-56.0%, YPC-5.7, TD-int- 6-6
John Beck: GP-5, CP-56.1%, YPC-5.2, TD-int- 1-3

Trent had the luxery of Brown and Chambers, and Lemon had Chambers for a lot of his games. My point is these numbers are very similar, with Green slightly better as to be expected, but not that much better.
So really this post is to anyone who said Trent or Cleo looked a lot better with our O-line last year... Um, no they didn't, here is the proof, along with our record. We as a team were pretty bad as a whole. So get off of Beck's jock.
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Great job cherry picking the stats to fit your argument. Of course you didn't mention the sacks, sack yardage or the fumbles lost.
 
Breed said:
Great job cherry picking the stats to fit your argument. Of course you didn't mention the sacks, sack yardage or the fumbles lost.
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Green sacked 7 times for 53 yards thats 7.57 yards lost per sack, 1.4 sacks a game

Lemon sacked 25 times for 166 yards thats 6.64 yards lost per sack, 2.8 sacks a game.

Beck sacked 10 times for 69 yards thats 6.9 yards lost per sack, 2 sacks a game.

Green fumbled 2 times in basically 4 games
Lemon fumbled 6 times in nine games
Beck fumbled 7 times in 5 games.

Drastic difference.... um no.

How about doing some research.

Ya drastic difference.
 
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67Stang said:
Green sacked 7 times for 53 yards thats 7.57 yards lost per sack, 1.4 sacks a game

Lemon sacked 25 times for 166 yards thats 6.64 yards lost per sack, 2.8 sacks a game.

Beck sacked 10 times for 69 yards thats 6.9 yards lost per sack, 2 sacks a game.

Green fumbled 2 times in basically 4 games
Lemon fumbled 6 times in nine games
Beck fumbled 7 times in 5 games.

Drastic difference.... um no.

How about doing some research instead of posting uneducated ignorance?

Ya drastic difference.
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As I posted in another thread....

Adjusted QB ratings:
Trent Green: 69.4
Cleo Lemon: 67
John Beck: 43.2

Trent Green
Completion %: 85 completions + 7 rushing attempts/141 passing attempts + 7 rushing attempts + 7 sacks

YPA: 987 passing yards + 32 rushing yards - 53 sack yards/141 passing attempts + 7 rushing attempts + 7 sacks

TD %: 5 passing touchdowns + 0 rushing touchdowns/141 passing attempts + 7 rushing attempts + 7 sacks

Turnover %: 7 interceptions + 0 fumbles lost/141 passing attempts + 7 rushing attempts + 7 sacks
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Cleo Lemon
Completion %: 173 completions + 31 rushing attempts/309 passing attempts + 31 rushing attempts + 25 sacks

YPA: 1,773 passing yards + 102 rushing yards - 166 sack yards/309 passing attempts + 31 rushing attempts + 25 sacks

TD %: 6 passing touchdowns + 4 rushing touchdowns/309 passing attempts + 31 rushing attempts + 25 sacks

Turnover %: 6 interceptions + 3 fumbles lost/309 passing attempts + 31 rushing attempts + 25 sacks

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John Beck
Completion %: 60 completions + 9 rushing attempts/107 passing attempts + 9 rushing attempts + 10 sacks

YPA: 559 passing yards + 12 rushing yards - 69 sack yards/107 passing attempts + 9 rushing attempts + 10 sacks

TD %: 1 passing touchdown + 1 rushing touchdown/107 passing attemtps + 9 rushing attempts + 10 sacks

Turnover %: 3 interceptions + 5 fumbles lost/107 passing attempts + 9 rushing attempts + 10 sacks
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Completion %
Trent Green: 60.3%
John Beck: 56.1%
Cleo Lemon: 56%

YPA (net yardage)
Trent Green: 6.23 (987 passing yards + 32 rushing yards - 53 sack yards/155 attempts)
Cleo Lemon: 4.68 (1,773 passing yards + 102 rushing yards - 166 sack yards/365 attempts
John Beck: 3.98 (559 passing yards + 12 rushing yards - 69 sack yards/126 attempts)

TD rate
Trent Green: 1 touchdown every 31 attempts (155 attempts/5 total touchdowns)
Cleo Lemon: 1 touchdown every 36.5 attempts (365 attempts/10 total touchdowns)
John Beck: 1 touchdown every 63 attempts (126 attempts/2 total touchdowns)

Turnover rate
Cleo Lemon: 1 turnover every 40.56 attempts (365 attempts/9 turnovers)
Trent Green: 1 turnover every 22.14 attemtps (155 attempts/7 turnovers)
John Beck: 1 turnover every 15.75 attempts (126 attempts/8 turnovers)

If you can't tell the difference, then you're blind.
 
67Stang said:
Green sacked 7 times for 53 yards thats 7.57 yards lost per sack, 1.4 sacks a game

Lemon sacked 25 times for 166 yards thats 6.64 yards lost per sack, 2.8 sacks a game.

Beck sacked 10 times for 69 yards thats 6.9 yards lost per sack, 2 sacks a game.

Green fumbled 2 times in basically 4 games
Lemon fumbled 6 times in nine games
Beck fumbled 7 times in 5 games.

Drastic difference.... um no.

How about doing some research.

Ya drastic difference.
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the fumbles differance is quite drastic
 
Breed said:
As I posted in another thread....

Adjusted QB ratings:
Trent Green: 69.4
Cleo Lemon: 67
John Beck: 43.2

Trent Green
Completion %: 85 completions + 7 rushing attempts/141 passing attempts + 7 rushing attempts + 7 sacks

YPA: 987 passing yards + 32 rushing yards - 53 sack yards/141 passing attempts + 7 rushing attempts + 7 sacks

TD %: 5 passing touchdowns + 0 rushing touchdowns/141 passing attempts + 7 rushing attempts + 7 sacks

Turnover %: 7 interceptions + 0 fumbles lost/141 passing attempts + 7 rushing attempts + 7 sacks
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Cleo Lemon
Completion %: 173 completions + 31 rushing attempts/309 passing attempts + 31 rushing attempts + 25 sacks

YPA: 1,773 passing yards + 102 rushing yards - 166 sack yards/309 passing attempts + 31 rushing attempts + 25 sacks

TD %: 6 passing touchdowns + 4 rushing touchdowns/309 passing attempts + 31 rushing attempts + 25 sacks

Turnover %: 6 interceptions + 3 fumbles lost/309 passing attempts + 31 rushing attempts + 25 sacks

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John Beck
Completion %: 60 completions + 9 rushing attempts/107 passing attempts + 9 rushing attempts + 10 sacks

YPA: 559 passing yards + 12 rushing yards - 69 sack yards/107 passing attempts + 9 rushing attempts + 10 sacks

TD %: 1 passing touchdown + 1 rushing touchdown/107 passing attemtps + 9 rushing attempts + 10 sacks

Turnover %: 3 interceptions + 5 fumbles lost/107 passing attempts + 9 rushing attempts + 10 sacks
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Completion %
Trent Green: 60.3%
John Beck: 56.1%
Cleo Lemon: 56%

YPA (net yardage)
Trent Green: 6.23 (987 passing yards + 32 rushing yards - 53 sack yards/155 attempts)
Cleo Lemon: 4.68 (1,773 passing yards + 102 rushing yards - 166 sack yards/365 attempts
John Beck: 3.98 (559 passing yards + 12 rushing yards - 69 sack yards/126 attempts)

TD rate
Trent Green: 1 touchdown every 31 attempts (155 attempts/5 total touchdowns)
Cleo Lemon: 1 touchdown every 36.5 attempts (365 attempts/10 total touchdowns)
John Beck: 1 touchdown every 63 attempts (126 attempts/2 total touchdowns)

Turnover rate
Cleo Lemon: 1 turnover every 40.56 attempts (365 attempts/9 turnovers)
Trent Green: 1 turnover every 22.14 attemtps (155 attempts/7 turnovers)
John Beck: 1 turnover every 15.75 attempts (126 attempts/8 turnovers)

If you can't tell the difference, then you're blind.
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I don't understand why all of these John Beck apologists keep trying to spin what occurred last year. Beck was flat out terrible.

Let's hope he has learned fom his horrific play last year and will come in and compete well for the job this year. If he is able to beat out McCown and Henne then great...................the Dolphins have three young QBs that competition should bring out the best in this year.
 
Let's not. Let's look forward to this year. Last year was so bad it made people long for the days of Feeley.
 
67Stang said:
Um, no it isn't. and beck had a 62 QB rating with minimal reps with the number 1 squad.
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minimal reps lol, after preseason , Lemon had no reps and was thrust into the staring role.

You cannot decypher your own stats I spoke only on fumbles and Beck averaged like two a gamewhich was a much higher rate than either of the other qb's
 
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