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I know most people thing Chris Long has the better overall grade, but I looks to me like Gholston is more explosive. I just finished watching the highlights of both players and Gholston seemed to have more of an impact. The force of his hits and overall speed seemed to make Long look a bit slow. Now no doubt Long is a fine player, and a sure future star, but it's hard to not to be impressed with Gholston.

It's also looking that if we do trade out of the top spot, down to the three or five let's say, Gholston probably wont be there.

I think if we are looking for speed from the outside the pick has to be Gholston. If not, O.T. J. Long should be our pick.
 
Posito said:
I know most people thing Chris Long has the better overall grade, but I looks to me like Gholston is more explosive. I just finished watching the highlights of both players and Gholston seemed to have more of an impact. The force of his hits and overall speed seemed to make Long look a bit slow. Now no doubt Long is a fine player, and a sure future star, but it's hard to not to be impressed with Gholston.

It's also looking that if we do trade out of the top spot, down to the three or five let's say, Gholston probably wont be there.

I think if we are looking for speed from the outside the pick has to be Gholston. If not, O.T. J. Long should be our pick.
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Good points and Gholston does look like a beast but if you assume that either player is going to be a 3-4 OLB for the Dolphins, Chris Long looked much more fluid and balanced in his workout at the NFL combine.

Gholston looked very explosive but he also looked very stiff, like a body builder or wieghtlifter who has maximized the size his frame can carry. Granted he is big enough, huge for an OLB, but he did not look as smooth when he did the positional type drills and Chris Long was comparable in most measurables.

They both look like they could be great.
 
Posito said:
I know most people thing Chris Long has the better overall grade, but I looks to me like Gholston is more explosive. I just finished watching the highlights of both players and Gholston seemed to have more of an impact. The force of his hits and overall speed seemed to make Long look a bit slow. Now no doubt Long is a fine player, and a sure future star, but it's hard to not to be impressed with Gholston.

It's also looking that if we do trade out of the top spot, down to the three or five let's say, Gholston probably wont be there.

I think if we are looking for speed from the outside the pick has to be Gholston. If not, O.T. J. Long should be our pick.
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YESSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSS I'm with YOU. I still think the Rams will go with J. Long at 2 or even surprise us with McFadden.
Were ok at three. Take it to the bank.
 
In Parcells system, Gholston IMO will make a better OLB . . . Chris Long really doesn't excite as an OLB or a 3-4 DE . . . he probably would be a monster 4-3 DE . . . I'm not saying he can't be successful in the 3-4, but to me Gholston or Jake on the OL just seems like better pieces.

However, I am a big fan of intangibles . . . and you can't ignore Chris Long's motor, instincts, leadership abilities, bloodlines and the Al Groh/Virginia connection . . . not to mention, he is one HELL of a football player . . . and u know you are getting a kid who will give 100% all the time and u aren't scared to give him that big contract, because he grew up in money with Howie Long being his father. He wont let it go to his head. All that combined, probably makes him a better prospect . . . even if Ghol may fit better.

This is assuming we cant move the pick . . . if we can move the pick . . . to say Atlanta . . . there is a good chance both still will be there, and I think at 3, Parcells may take Ghol over Long . . . but at 1, I think Long may be the pick . . . weird isn't it?
 
Kdawg954 said:
In Parcells system, Gholston IMO will make a better OLB . . . Chris Long really doesn't excite as an OLB or a 3-4 DE . . . he probably would be a monster 4-3 DE . . . I'm not saying he can't be successful in the 3-4, but to me Gholston or Jake on the OL just seems like better pieces.

However, I am a big fan of intangibles . . . and you can't ignore Chris Long's motor, instincts, leadership abilities, bloodlines and the Al Groh/Virginia connection . . . not to mention, he is one HELL of a football player . . . and u know you are getting a kid who will give 100% all the time and u aren't scared to give him that big contract, because he grew up in money with Howie Long being his father. He wont let it go to his head. All that combined, probably makes him a better prospect . . . even if Ghol may fit better.

This is assuming we cant move the pick . . . if we can move the pick . . . to say Atlanta . . . there is a good chance both still will be there, and I think at 3, Parcells may take Ghol over Long . . . but at 1, I think Long may be the pick . . . weird isn't it?
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well said
 
hilslo said:
Gholston just ran a 4.58 40 at his pro day. That's better than Merriman. Chris Long may be the safer pick but Gholston definitely has more potential to be an amazing player.

http://www.rotoworld.com/content/Home_NFL.aspx
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Gholston also has been known to take plays off, and who knows how he responds to that big signing bonus . . . will he be willing to improve his game, can he be coached up to be that special player . . . u know with Long, u are getting 100% motor and a technician . . . Considering we can't move the pick . . . and for some reason the Fins don't like Jake Long . . . . I think u gotta take Long over Ghol #1 overall . . . there is no risk involved . . . and its not like Ghol would leave Long in the dust . . . Long is going to be a Pro Bowler in this league. Ghol potentially could be better, but thats not a guarantee.

Don't judge a guy by a 40 time . . . especially from Ohio State, who's Pro Day's are notorious for having fast tracks and better times. I really like Ghol alot, but considering we only have the #1 overall . . . Chris Long is a better prospect and a better pick IMO . . . its more than just 40 times involved with that pick . . . u have to evaluate everything.
 
Kdawg954 said:
Gholston also has been known to take plays off, and who knows how he responds to that big signing bonus . . . will he be willing to improve his game, can he be coached up to be that special player . . . u know with Long, u are getting 100% motor and a technician . . . Considering we can't move the pick . . . and for some reason the Fins don't like Jake Long . . . . I think u gotta take Long over Ghol #1 overall . . . there is no risk involved . . . and its not like Ghol would leave Long in the dust . . . Long is going to be a Pro Bowler in this league. Ghol potentially could be better, but thats not a guarantee.

Don't judge a guy by a 40 time . . . especially from Ohio State, who's Pro Day's are notorious for having fast tracks and better times. I really like Ghol alot, but considering we only have the #1 overall . . . Chris Long is a better prospect and a better pick IMO . . . its more than just 40 times involved with that pick . . . u have to evaluate everything.
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Understood. I don't think there's any way we draft Gholston #1 and I would be disappointed if we did. He's a high risk high reward pick that we don't have the luxury of making. I just wouldn't be surprised if in 5 years time Gholston is head and shoulders above anyone else in this draft.
 
Posito said:
I know most people thing Chris Long has the better overall grade, but I looks to me like Gholston is more explosive. I just finished watching the highlights of both players and Gholston seemed to have more of an impact. The force of his hits and overall speed seemed to make Long look a bit slow. Now no doubt Long is a fine player, and a sure future star, but it's hard to not to be impressed with Gholston.

It's also looking that if we do trade out of the top spot, down to the three or five let's say, Gholston probably wont be there.

I think if we are looking for speed from the outside the pick has to be Gholston. If not, O.T. J. Long should be our pick.
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Actually, at a higher weight, C Long showed more agility and explosion at the combine, beating Gholston at both the short shuttle and the cone drill.

The 40 is overated in measuring explosion unless your considering the 10 yard split times.
 
BlueFin said:
Actually, at a higher weight, C Long showed more agility and explosion at the combine, beating Gholston at both the short shuttle and the cone drill.

The 40 is overated in measuring explosion unless your considering the 10 yard split times.
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If you consider both Gholston and Long's 10/20 splits at the combine, you will see they are very similar.
Gholston
1.58 and 2.68
Long
1.60 and 2.70

I think what it comes down to is...Which do you prefer? The football player or the athlete.
 
First I'd be happy with any of the top five or six players with the exception of Ryan...that said...if it was a choice between C. Long or Gholston...I'd select Gholston.

Here's my reasoning...Gholstom played against higher rated teams during the last two seasons. He's faster and very possibly stronger.

When you look hard at Long...he went from 4.5 sacks the year prior, to 14 sacks...when you look at Gholston he went from 8.5 sacks the year prior, to 14 sacks.

Was the large increase of sacks that C. Long aquired...from playing against lesser teams...I think so. When the only real strong teams were Connecticut and V.T....and they both lost, in their Bowl Games...it sure makes you wonder.
 
I agree with your post fishypete. That factor has been eating at me for a while. I believe Gholston's acquired more sacks the last two seasons than Long did in 4 years of playing. Consindering Gholston's given fits to Jake Long two years in a row - Jake probably the top OT prospect to come out this year - I'd take Gholston over Chris Long. I'm not really sure what it is, but I just don't see Chris Long as a dominant 3-4 OLB...a 4-3 DE, I think he'd be brilliant. A lot of the comparisons seem like Long is comparable to Mike Vrabel, and Gholston is a mix of Shawn Merriman and DeMarcus Ware. I'll take the mix of Merriman and Ware over Vrabel.
 
Thanks for the replies. To me, although Long has the pedigree, and it's true he is an outstanding player, Gholston plays more violent. You see their highlight films, which should be the best each player has to offer, and Gholston just looks flat out mean. He not only manhandles the tackles, Jake Long included, but he punishes the ball carriers. He plays with that nasty streak that gives him more of a WOW factor. To me, Chris Long plays extremely well, sound fundamentals, but plays "nice." Now with that being said I won't be disappointed if Parcels chooses Long over Gholston. He's the expert not me. Just to me Long reminds me more of Trace Armstong than Howie, and Gholston plays more of a Strahan game, but faster.
 
fishypete said:
First I'd be happy with any of the top five or six players with the exception of Ryan...that said...if it was a choice between C. Long or Gholston...I'd select Gholston.

Here's my reasoning...Gholstom played against higher rated teams during the last two seasons. He's faster and very possibly stronger.

When you look hard at Long...he went from 4.5 sacks the year prior, to 14 sacks...when you look at Gholston he went from 8.5 sacks the year prior, to 14 sacks.

Was the large increase of sacks that C. Long aquired...from playing against lesser teams...I think so. When the only real strong teams were Connecticut and V.T....and they both lost, in their Bowl Games...it sure makes you wonder.
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Gholston also had better players around him which limited the double teams he had to face. Vernon also played most of the time in a base 4-3 which is much more conducive to high sack totals than a 3-4 DE.

I also think you are overlooking who Long went up against everyday in practice, Brandon Albert and Eugene Monroe.
 
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