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Longterm salary cap ramifications of the Hill/Armstead deals

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In short, it's bad; indeed, it is VERY bad, but there are ways to mitigate the damage. But note, I said 'mitigate', not ignore, because those who pretend that the cap does not matter are children, or at least, childish. We'll just restructure people, that makes the bad people go away forever and ever and ever!!

But first, let's see what we're talking about here.

Right now, after adding the 26M cap cost of Terron Armstead to the 2023 cap, we will have approximately 3M left in spendable cap (and this assumes that the cap will be 25M higher than it is now). Yes, not even enough to sign the 2023 draft picks, much less Christian Wilkins who will be a free agent. So... doing the math, we have 3M left, then, minus 10M for draft picks and 10M for Wilkins brings us to... umm... a mess. But that's OK, we'll just count on the other players that we have... right?

Umm, no, we only have 37 players signed through 2023, and they include such luminaries as DeVonte Dedmon, Kion Smith, Javaris Davis, and Solomon Kindley.

Good thing that we won the Super Bowl in 2022 right Daddy?! Umm, right? Daddy? Are you there, Daddy?

Are you scared yet? You should be.

So, how can we generate some savings? (As always, remember replacement costs, each of these listed amounts will be offset by the 1M that the next man up on our top 51 would then cost us vs. the cap).

We could cut Byron Jones for 12M and X (I want my moniez) Hoard for 11.4M that'll do it, right. I mean, Iggy and Needham can be the new starting corners. Oh, Needham would need a new contract? Umm... they'll play for vet minimum, right?
Parker will save us 6.3 M, (less the 1M replacement cost), but now we only have 36 players.
Cethan Carter for 2.5M (less the 1M replacement cost)? Oh wait, we cut him last year.
Fejedelem? Nope, he's gone already, his contract expired last year.
Hurns? Also, gone.
Keion Crossen for 3.1M (less the 1M replacement cost)? We don't need replacement CBs, we have Hoard and Jones, umm... uh oh.
Connor William for 5?
Chase Edmonds for 6?

****... we'll just have to restructure everybody. That worked so well for the 'aints, right? Umm, right Daddy? We'll just push Hill's money into 2024, and Armstead's too, we don't have important signing to prepare for in 2024. Oh... Tua's contract is up? I guess we'll just push it all into 2025. Good thing the 'aints remained relevant, and the Falcons too... and the Chiefs with Tyreek Hill... and... oh...

Gentlemen, we have a two-year window before a complete tits-up teardown, and this was the risk that we took in willingly entering into cap-Hell.

Will it be worth it? Maybe, but we HAVE to compete for a Super Bowl in 2022 and 2023, because after that, this team will not exist. It just won't. There will be a Miami Dolphins, and we will probably still have Tua, but unless we continue to draft as well as we did last year, this model is unsustainable.
 
Ready to restart the Miami, too many teams the past 2 decades tried to copy the "Patriot Way" of long term winning sustainability.

After the Wrecking ball that was Tom Brady to the Bucs and Stafford to the Rams.... BOTH resulting in Super bowls....

The COPY CAT NFL is at it again, big splashes, big spending, big winning fast.
 
I have a theory, but I really wanted people to see the extent of the cap problem first.

Our most tradable asset?

Anyone want to take a stab at this? Which one player could we replace with a rookie and that replacement could fix MUCH of the future pain?

I'd offer a prize, but I'm cheap.
 
Well, after what has gone on the past 2 days, I suggested, even before the Hill trade, that we would be using a 2nd day pick on a CB. Jones' money with a post June cut next year would clear a lot of cash with little dead money.
 
zucca said:
Well, after what has gone on the past 2 days, I suggested, even before the Hill trade, that we would be using a 2nd day pick on a CB. Jones' money with a post June cut next year would clear a lot of cash with little dead money.
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No, not a lot. We'd save 11m. The problem is MUCH worse than 11M.

...and I started with the assumption that he and Hoard were probably gone.
 
Feverdream said:
I have a theory, but I really wanted people to see the extent of the cap problem first.

Our most tradable asset?

Anyone want to take a stab at this? Which one player could we replace with a rookie and that replacement could fix MUCH of the future pain?

I'd offer a prize, but I'm cheap.
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A rookie QB would do that, Tua only got two more years before Pay day. And if this Offense does what we think it can... his value should shoot up.

I love Tua though, but it would mitigate a lot of Cap hell (IE mahomes issue in KC) I guess we need to just wait and see what unfolds? Hopefully greatness
 
Feverdream said:
I have a theory, but I really wanted people to see the extent of the cap problem first.

Our most tradable asset?

Anyone want to take a stab at this? Which one player could we replace with a rookie and that replacement could fix MUCH of the future pain?

I'd offer a prize, but I'm cheap.
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Well they do have 2 1st round picks to reset the QB rookie contract clock if they want...
 
I can tell you 100% that the current Dolphins contract situation will be different come 2023 then even what you have listed. I'm more of a let's burn that bridge when we come to it. Each NFL season needs to occur before you can evaluate it and judge what you did to get there.

Are there things the Dolphins can do to minimize the cap in future years? Yes, but I think right now you have to start rolling the dice. If you want to a be a middle-of-the-pack team, sure you can always view everything through the lens of being fiscally conservative. But if you want to achieve something great, you need to take some risks and risks in the NFL also means paying $.

Look at Kansas City, they rolled the dice and it got them some good years but then they hit a financial brick wall which is why they couldn't retain Hill. Would I trade in mediocre for a chance to be a Kansas City-like team? Heck yes!

But nothing is forever - I imagine that's the point you're making. But let's try something here and if it doesn't work, at least we ran with it.
 
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