Looking For Some Inside Information

[j-off-her-doll]

People have been talking - usually in passing - about the Quarters Defense that we will implement next season.

I'm looking for people to discuss its advantages and disadvantages; how much we will actually use it; and how it'll suit our personnel.

Also, feel free to add any other thoughts.

 

[Zounds]

I doubt we use it at all, unless we are up by 25 pts at halftime.

 

[mia4ever]

The 3-3-5 alignment, sometimes known as the "Mustang" or "30-Stack," typically relies on 3 down linemen, 3 linebackers, and 5 defensive backs: 1 free safety, 2 cornerbacks playing off the line, and 2 roving safeties that move around. The safeties take on 2nd receivers or tight ends and have to be able to come up and make tackles, usually outside the box. Generally, when running a 3-3-5 the user is trying to confuse the offense by "exchanging" different pressures in the A, B, and C gaps using the lineman, linebackers, rovers, and free safety while playing mostly zone or sometimes man coverage behind. Teams that run the 3-3-5 generally use it because they are a fast but sometimes smaller unit who wants to cause assignment issues for the opposing offense. Also, a 3-3-5 can be adjusted based on formation to a 4-3, 3-4, 4-4, Goal Line, etc. with the same starting players.

To effectively play the 3-3-5 the "Front 8," especially the lineman and linebackers must be physical, stout, and tough. The lineman must be able to control their assigned gaps, get an effective pass rush, and take out double teams to free up the linebackers to make plays. The 2 outside or "Stud" linebackers must be effective at pressuring, reading and reacting to the play, and play at a low pad level as they will be taking on lineman and fullbacks while the "Mike" must be intelligent in lining up the defense in a counter to the offense's formation as well as flowing to the ball and being able to shed blockers and make plays. The rovers or "Drillers" must be capable of pressuring, dropping back in coverage, being physical, taking on lineman, keeping contain, and coming up and making plays. The cornerbacks must be good in coverage and be physical tacklers. And finally, the free safety is the most versatile athlete on the field as on any given play he can drop in coverage, pressure the quarterback or play one of the "Mike" backers in the 3-4. In addition to this the free safety must be a physical tackler and hitter and generally your best playmaker and smartest athlete.

I like Fins personally to fit 35 D?(Nickle D)


Man I can talk about this *** all day?

I played ball ,but I think I was a Coach in my pass life.....lol
Quarter Base D is rare in NFL..

Don Shula used the Nickle D with a 4-2-5 with Liffort Hobley as OLB/S......


Quarter(D) in Madden suks?
But if you look at my Depth Chart (thread)
The Fins has the personally to play a number front?

http://www.finheaven.com/forums/f2/defense-depth-chart-and-3rd-down-defense-249575.html

 

[mia4ever]

Quarter Pass Coverage – Well we know there can't be 25 defensive backs in this one, so yes, the quarter pass coverage scheme sends seven defensive backs onto the field. The quarter formation is never a base defense but is brought in for a few plays at a time in certain situations. Sometimes even speedy, lengthy wide receivers will take the field as extra defensive backs for a team. The quarter defense is often used when a team is said to be using a “prevent defense” as in, preventing a deep completion. It does however allow for smaller gains, but the defense is only used in time situations when underneath gains shouldn't have any affect. When a team is trying a Hail Mary pass play at the end of a game or half, for example, is a common – and one of the rare – time to see the quarter pass coverage formation.

Remember Don Shula prevent D ........

 

[j-off-her-doll]

This is where I'm a bit confused. My understand of the Quarters was that it was something of a Prevent. I don't understand why we'd look at implementing a Prevent.

 

[mia4ever]

This is where I'm a bit confused. My understand of the Quarters was that it was something of a Prevent. I don't understand why we'd look at implementing a Prevent.

You right the Quarter D is a prevent D........
5 DB Nickle D
6 DB Dime D
7 DB Quarter D

Do the Fins in ever have 7 good DB?

Where did you hear the FIN are
trying this as a base D?:confused:

This D is not aggressive .......
The Quarter D allow everything to happen in front of them....

 

[gota]

Quarters is very susceptible to the run and short passes. Is this supposed to be implemented on third and long? I have heard nothing about this.

 

[j-off-her-doll]

http://www.finheaven.com/forums/f2/monster-defense-great-time-249462-2.html

As for the secondary, it has undergone a complete overhaul. Not only personnel-wise, but scheme-wise as well. We will be moving to a "quarters" style defense, which sounds to me more like a zone scheme, but I will have to see how it works to know more. In any event, it is going to be something new to every one of our DBs and it may require some break-in time before they get it down pat.

http://www.finheaven.com/forums/f2/chris-clemons-int-to-the-house-vid-249077.html

He did his job on the play. He initially flowed to his right, toward the most likely threat to his zone. Then he read the 'dig' route and flowed left, keeping the WR in front of him, which is exactly where he belongs in a Quarters defense. When the ball went in the air, Clemons broke on it with speed and made the leaping interception.

. . .

I've seen it tossed around here a few times.

 

[j-off-her-doll]

Like I said, I'm looking for some inside information :^p

 

[Swantoon]

Quarters defense is when you have 4 men deep each taking a quarter of the field. It is basically a deep zone designed to stop long passes. Can be a good D for 3rd and 15, but not 3rd and 3.

 

[Fish-Head]

People have been talking - usually in passing - about the Quarters Defense that we will implement next season.

I'm looking for people to discuss its advantages and disadvantages; how much we will actually use it; and how it'll suit our personnel.

Also, feel free to add any other thoughts.

I think that it may be a topic of discussion in reaction to the 'style' of defenders we prefer in the defensive backfield... Bell and Wilson are aggressive tackling safeties and the word is, so are Davis and Smith who will presumably man the corners at some point.

Maybe people are thinking that there would be instances we would shift to it to cause mismatches and take advantage of the speed and aggressivenes of our DB's.

 

[Swantoon]

There is a difference between the Quarter defense and a Quarters defense.

 

[mia4ever]

Like I said, I'm looking for some inside information :^p

Dude that was just CKparrothead,
describing the youtube video of Clemson Defense

CK ain't no Dame inside ......
No offense CKparrothead ,you still my dog....

What inside infomation are you looking for
Dolphins Headquarters..........http://www.hoovers.com/global/partn...&stateProvince=FL&postalCode=33314&country=US

We're all Die Heart Fans
with a lot of Football Knowledge
Well some of us .......:thanks:

 

[ckparrothead]

The Quarters coverage is not a prevent defense nor does it involve sending seven defensive backs into coverage. Man, I'm not sure where those quotes came from but they're pretty off.

Quarters is not rare. And Gibril Wilson already said on a radio interview that the Dolphins will be using a Quarters base coverage.

The Quarters defense is a Cover 4. It was a specialty of Jimmy Johnson's, a coverage that he used with the Hurricanes, Cowboys and Dolphins. When Dave Wannstedt took over, Miami went to a Cover 2 instead of a Cover 4.

Cover 1, Cover 2, Cover 3 and Cover 4 refer to how many people you have responsible for the DEEP portions of the football field.

A Cover 1 means you have man coverage on the outsides and you have one safety responsible for protecting the deep middle third of the football field.

A Cover 3 means you have both corners responsible for the deep third of their side of the field, plus a safety responsible for the deep middle third of the field.

Cover 3 and Cover 1 are often interchangeable, because the only difference between them is the corners will come up and play man coverage on their receivers, or they will keep everything in front of them and play zone.

A Cover 2 or "umbrella" defense is when you have the deep portions of the field split into two zones, and one safety covers the right half of the deep field and another safety covers the left half. The corners can play zone or man in a Cover 2. When Jimmy left, Miami played a Cover 2 where the corners played press man underneath the umbrella. The Tampa 2, on the other hand (and most classic Cover 2 defenses) have the corners playing zone, keeping the receivers in front of them and always keeping their eyes on the Quarterback.

A Cover 4 is where you split the deep field into four zones and have both safeties and both corners responsible for a Quarter of the deep field.

So, what are the benefits of a Cover 4?

Well, for one thing BOTH safeties can be more active against the run. A Cover 3/Cover 1 is designed to where you have one safety that has a deep third responsibility and another that has some sort of underneath responsibility whether that be a robber zone or man coverage...but either way the guy that is supporting the run is always just going to be one safety and it's the other safety's job to always err on the side of caution defending his deep third.

In a Cover 2, safeties are responsible for a whole half of the deep football field, which is a wide area of responsibility, and so it can be difficult for those safeties to come up in run support. Fortunately for a team like Indianapolis, Bob Sanders has legitimate 4.3 speed and functions like a human missile. He reads his run/pass keys very well and has the speed and physicality to get right up and be aggressive in stopping the run.

In a Cover 4, the deep coverage responsibilities of the safeties are not very onerous. They each just have a Quarter of the field to keep an eye on, rather than a third, a half, or a whole field. This affords them the ability to use their first couple of (slow) steps to read the run/pass keys to their side of the field, and then both be very aggressive in coming up to stop the run. This is why Miami has two safeties that many think of as "strong" safeties. Both guys are smart and aggressive players that will come up and hit the ball carrier, stopping the run.

Another strength of the Cover 4 is that it can be disguised more easily, and mixed with other coverages, in order to cause confusion on offense. You can have your cornerbacks come right up to the receivers like they will be in press coverage, and with both safeties back at even depth, a Quarterback is going to read Cover 2. Against a Cover 2, with the safeties each having responsibility for a half of the deep field, they will generally be slower to get to the sidelines to help out a corner. Throwing the fade is one of the ways to throw into the "hole" between the zones, against a Cover 2. The problem is, if it's a Quarters or Cover 4 defense, that fade pass is likely to get picked off. On the other hand, let's say the Quarterback is onto your Cover 4 even though you're giving him a Cover 2 look with your corners up. One predictable way to hurt a Cover 4 is to throw out to a back out in the flats. So let's say the Quarterback decides he is going to do that, thinking you're in a Cover 4. But, what if you decided to truly go Cover 2 zone this time? Again, pass gets picked off.

Moral of the story is, the pass drops for the DBs in a Cover 4 are very simple and not terribly difficult to accomplish especially if you have size and speed on your side, and so you can play around a lot with the pre-snap formations and alignments in order to foster confusion on the offense, and then you can mix it up with other coverages to keep them on their toes. This lends itself to a 3-4 defense because a 3-4 defense is designed to mix up its pass rush looks in order to accomplish the aim of getting pressure on the QB. It's one more thing the QB has to think about and the more you can give him to think about, the more chance he'll make a mistake.

The weakness of a Cover 4 is the underneath areas. Cover 4 DBs keep the action in front of them at all costs. This leaves some underneath areas open particularly on the edges of the field. You can't have guys missing tackles. That's a big no-no. Also, your safeties are going to be aggressive in their run/pass keys so they will be susceptible to play-action fakes. This means your Quarters cornerback has to have the athleticism (and size) to run with a receiver on a play-action post pattern and defend that deep ball.

The key is squeezing this opportunity area as much as possible, not allowing big pass plays, not missing tackles, and stopping the run. Stop the run and you're going to put the other team in predictable down and distances, and you can get funky with the things you do to them. If you're stuffing the run and you're not allowing big pass plays, the odds are not favoring the other side scoring points on you without making costly mistakes.

 

[mia4ever]

CKparrorthead

you are a Beast!