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Wife and I drove down from Louisville on Thursday. Did all the Atlanta stuff like the Georgia Aquarium (best in the world, highly recommend), World of Coke, and CNN tour, etc. Traffic in Atlanta sucks, but you've got to expect that.

I'm not going to rehash things people have already said or what you've seen on TV. I just give a few thoughts:

Our entire offense looked slow, like their feet are in mud or something. I'm not sure if it was that evident on the TV broadcast, but they were the slowest unit on the field. Ginn got some separation a few times but even he wasn't consistent. Alot of that had to do with ATL's defense. They played a safety over the top or at least shading on Ginn's side (ala Randy Moss) most of the game. Ricky was the only one that looked up to game speed, along with Ginn (at times). And with a secondary as bad as Atlanta's, that doesn't give me the warm and fuzzies.

Special team blocking was atrocious, and that's all I really have to say about that.

The defense looks up to the task. Once the young part of the secondary gets experience, it will be a pretty good unit for the second half of the season. They did a really, really good job on Turner. Smith was on the bench for long stretches of the game with Davis taking his place in the secondary. Smith is ahead in pass coverage skills but man that Davis sure can tackle. Hopefully he develops into a Dion Sanders clone who actually supports the run.

If only White had connected with Ginn on that long pass...a whole different game would have developed. Momentum is a powerful thing.

The offensive line was as bad in person as they looked on TV. They were slow just like the skill players.

Atlanta will have to play much better than that if they expect to contend for their division.



Funniest quote heard from a drunk ATL fan after the game:

"Don't hate on Miami, that's a great state"

My wife's response to her:

"Miami is a city, brainiac"

It just seems to me after watching the team in action is that we just don't have any offensive players that scare anyone. Ronnie and Ricky are good backs, but they don't scare anyone. Ginn is a decent WR, but he doesn't scare anyone. We're just not scary on offense. Instead of our gimmick plays maybe we should have just spread out the defense with 5 WR and hit some quick shots on slants, crossing routes, and what not. A screen or 2 would have been a good idea too. We really needed to speed up the O. I expect the turnovers to be fixed next weekend, but we've got to keep the Colts in check. If we fall behind again, we don't have a prayer. I fully expect us to improve throughout the first half of the season, but we're going to take our lumps. I'm not sure what we're going about the offense, however.

Well, at least we're not the Bears. They let Grossman go and then traded for his clone in Cutler.
 
Nice read. It is great to get a first hand evaluation from another fin fan who attended the game. The TV broadcast only show you the ball and the players involved around the ball. I would like to see the fins try to open up the offense (spread, shotgun, 5 recievers) at times during the game. especially when the score is 0-0, tied or we have the lead. I dont know if we have the personel for that, but it would be something that the other team will not expect from Miami. Ronnie looked very slow, very average to me on TV.
 
Wife and I drove down from Louisville on Thursday. Did all the Atlanta stuff like the Georgia Aquarium (best in the world, highly recommend), World of Coke, and CNN tour, etc. Traffic in Atlanta sucks, but you've got to expect that.

I'm not going to rehash things people have already said or what you've seen on TV. I just give a few thoughts:

Our entire offense looked slow, like their feet are in mud or something. I'm not sure if it was that evident on the TV broadcast, but they were the slowest unit on the field. Ginn got some separation a few times but even he wasn't consistent. Alot of that had to do with ATL's defense. They played a safety over the top or at least shading on Ginn's side (ala Randy Moss) most of the game. Ricky was the only one that looked up to game speed, along with Ginn (at times). And with a secondary as bad as Atlanta's, that doesn't give me the warm and fuzzies.

Special team blocking was atrocious, and that's all I really have to say about that.

The defense looks up to the task. Once the young part of the secondary gets experience, it will be a pretty good unit for the second half of the season. They did a really, really good job on Turner. Smith was on the bench for long stretches of the game with Davis taking his place in the secondary. Smith is ahead in pass coverage skills but man that Davis sure can tackle. Hopefully he develops into a Dion Sanders clone who actually supports the run.

If only White had connected with Ginn on that long pass...a whole different game would have developed. Momentum is a powerful thing.

The offensive line was as bad in person as they looked on TV. They were slow just like the skill players.

Atlanta will have to play much better than that if they expect to contend for their division.



Funniest quote heard from a drunk ATL fan after the game:

"Don't hate on Miami, that's a great state"

My wife's response to her:

"Miami is a city, brainiac"

It just seems to me after watching the team in action is that we just don't have any offensive players that scare anyone. Ronnie and Ricky are good backs, but they don't scare anyone. Ginn is a decent WR, but he doesn't scare anyone. We're just not scary on offense. Instead of our gimmick plays maybe we should have just spread out the defense with 5 WR and hit some quick shots on slants, crossing routes, and what not. A screen or 2 would have been a good idea too. We really needed to speed up the O. I expect the turnovers to be fixed next weekend, but we've got to keep the Colts in check. If we fall behind again, we don't have a prayer. I fully expect us to improve throughout the first half of the season, but we're going to take our lumps. I'm not sure what we're going about the offense, however.

Well, at least we're not the Bears. They let Grossman go and then traded for his clone in Cutler.

Grossman had been riding the pine for a while. Although the fickleness of the Chicago fans probably ruined Rex, it was still Orton that had been leading them for a while.
 
...Our entire offense looked slow, like their feet are in mud or something. I'm not sure if it was that evident on the TV broadcast, but they were the slowest unit on the field...

The position on OFFENSE that truly tells on speed is WR. Which is what I was screaming all offseason: the need to upgrade speed at WR. With the single exception of Ginn, Miami has far and away the slowest collection of WRs in the NFL.

There is a price to pay for getting so high on a 4.65, 4.7 WR like Bess.

Bess is so wonderful! He should be a starter! He fits well with Penny's weak arm! He can make all the catches 3 yards from the LOS!

Yep. sure he can. But there's a price to pay for that kind of homer sight that refuses to see what happens when you stockpile possession WRs on a team, just b.c your starting QB is limited.

Next, your TEs and RBs. TE is a problem. This team has been emphasizing BIG -- even for WRs -- over SPEED.

It's 180 degrees from JJ's philosophy that SPEED kills. And we say against Atlanta that SPEED, even lesser talented young speed, kills slow-footed people at skill positions 9 times out of 10.

This team has made a conscious decision that speed doesn't matter. Bigness and "consistency" matter -- as in can you do a certain thing, even if SLOW, the same way in practice each time.

Penny is "consistent" but not special, not great, not talented downfield.

Bess is "consistent" but not special, not fast, not able to threaten downfield at all.

Hartline -- a step faster than Bess, but when most DBs are 2-3 steps faster than Bess, what does that get you?

Cammy -- almost slow as Bess.

Turner -- slow as Bess, just bigger.

Starting to see a theme here?

SPEED kills in the NFL. Big only helps if you can control the clock and hammer, but even against good teams that are big and FAST, that will get exposed every time.

PENNY and the GROCERY GETTERS. That could be the name of this non-stellar rock band, lol. A limited QB that can't throw downfield and a stable of slow WRs picked just with him in mind = a long season.

Hey! Look on the bright side: they are consistent! "We're looking for consistency, not talent." Well, you got it.

p.s. and by the way: trade Ginn asap, b/c he pulls Penny down, being the only speed and talent guy at WR. He holds Penny back by getting open all the time, and Penny doesn't have the ablity to throw it to him, which in turn affects Penny's confidence. All Ginn's fault. Trade him, quick.

lol.

LD
 
The position on OFFENSE that truly tells on speed is WR. Which is what I was screaming all offseason: the need to upgrade speed at WR. With the single exception of Ginn, Miami has far and away the slowest collection of WRs in the NFL.

There is a price to pay for getting so high on a 4.65, 4.7 WR like Bess.

Bess is so wonderful! He should be a starter! He fits well with Penny's weak arm! He can make all the catches 3 yards from the LOS!

Yep. sure he can. But there's a price to pay for that kind of homer sight that refuses to see what happens when you stockpile possession WRs on a team, just b.c your starting QB is limited.

Next, your TEs and RBs. TE is a problem. This team has been emphasizing BIG -- even for WRs -- over SPEED.

It's 180 degrees from JJ's philosophy that SPEED kills. And we say against Atlanta that SPEED, even lesser talented young speed, kills slow-footed people at skill positions 9 times out of 10.

This team has made a conscious decision that speed doesn't matter. Bigness and "consistency" matter -- as in can you do a certain thing, even if SLOW, the same way in practice each time.

Penny is "consistent" but not special, not great, not talented downfield.

Bess is "consistent" but not special, not fast, not able to threaten downfield at all.

Hartline -- a step faster than Bess, but when most DBs are 2-3 steps faster than Bess, what does that get you?

Cammy -- almost slow as Bess.

Turner -- slow as Bess, just bigger.

Starting to see a theme here?

SPEED kills in the NFL. Big only helps if you can control the clock and hammer, but even against good teams that are big and FAST, that will get exposed every time.

PENNY and the GROCERY GETTERS. That could be the name of this non-stellar rock band, lol. A limited QB that can't throw downfield and a stable of slow WRs picked just with him in mind = a long season.

Hey! Look on the bright side: they are consistent! "We're looking for consistency, not talent." Well, you got it.

p.s. and by the way: trade Ginn asap, b/c he pulls Penny down, being the only speed and talent guy at WR. He holds Penny back by getting open all the time, and Penny doesn't have the ablity to throw it to him, which in turn affects Penny's confidence. All Ginn's fault. Trade him, quick.

lol.

LD
Bess is actually faster than that. He was injured during the combine when he ran that slow. Having said that, Wes Welker isn't the fastest guy in the world either. Is anyone doubting his effectiveness?
 
I really don't think Bess is that slow, but he was nonexistant out there yesterday. As was Camarillo. Hartline made a showing in the second half and can be a really good #2. I think Turner will be a good WR also. Ginn is fast, if only he were 6'2" or 6'3"...we wouldn't be having this conversation right now. We need a definate upgrade at TE. I've never been in love with Fasano. He's solid, but not spectacular.
 
The position on OFFENSE that truly tells on speed is WR. Which is what I was screaming all offseason: the need to upgrade speed at WR. With the single exception of Ginn, Miami has far and away the slowest collection of WRs in the NFL.

There is a price to pay for getting so high on a 4.65, 4.7 WR like Bess.

Bess is so wonderful! He should be a starter! He fits well with Penny's weak arm! He can make all the catches 3 yards from the LOS!

Yep. sure he can. But there's a price to pay for that kind of homer sight that refuses to see what happens when you stockpile possession WRs on a team, just b.c your starting QB is limited.

Next, your TEs and RBs. TE is a problem. This team has been emphasizing BIG -- even for WRs -- over SPEED.

It's 180 degrees from JJ's philosophy that SPEED kills. And we say against Atlanta that SPEED, even lesser talented young speed, kills slow-footed people at skill positions 9 times out of 10.

This team has made a conscious decision that speed doesn't matter. Bigness and "consistency" matter -- as in can you do a certain thing, even if SLOW, the same way in practice each time.

Penny is "consistent" but not special, not great, not talented downfield.

Bess is "consistent" but not special, not fast, not able to threaten downfield at all.

Hartline -- a step faster than Bess, but when most DBs are 2-3 steps faster than Bess, what does that get you?

Cammy -- almost slow as Bess.

Turner -- slow as Bess, just bigger.

Starting to see a theme here?

SPEED kills in the NFL. Big only helps if you can control the clock and hammer, but even against good teams that are big and FAST, that will get exposed every time.

PENNY and the GROCERY GETTERS. That could be the name of this non-stellar rock band, lol. A limited QB that can't throw downfield and a stable of slow WRs picked just with him in mind = a long season.

Hey! Look on the bright side: they are consistent! "We're looking for consistency, not talent." Well, you got it.

p.s. and by the way: trade Ginn asap, b/c he pulls Penny down, being the only speed and talent guy at WR. He holds Penny back by getting open all the time, and Penny doesn't have the ablity to throw it to him, which in turn affects Penny's confidence. All Ginn's fault. Trade him, quick.

lol.

LD


You mean like that 4th round rook out of Florida (Louis Murphy) that was torching San Diego's defense deep for touchdowns in his first career game?

No sense acquiring players like that with Delhommington at the helm is it?

Instead...draft a slough of 4.5-4.6 guys that get flagged for interference every other route and spend 3rd round picks on 6-5 WR's that can't get separation out of that NFL wide receiver factory at USC and deactivate him on game days...

What about Jordy Nelson up there in Green Bay? Miami passed him up too....not a burner...but he's fast enough to be torching Chicago's defense deep for touchdowns in week 1...but then again...he's got a quarterback who'll throw it to him down the field....don't need either of them here....

Nope......we pound the rock down your throat with our mauling offensive line and don't turn the football over........except on Sundays.....
 
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SPEED kills in the NFL. Big only helps if you can control the clock and hammer, but even against good teams that are big and FAST, that will get exposed every time.

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I remember a recent Miami Dolphin head coach who was of that same opinion "speed kills". He lasted one season and won one game.

I'm not going to say that speed doesn't matter. It does. Bigtime. But so do size, strength, football knowledge, preparation, passion, fundamentals, talent etc. I could go on for hours. Speed is just one of many important things on the football field and I don't think it is an issue right now.
 
I drove down from TN to watch the game. I agree with your thoughts but wanted to ad some of my own.
1. It seemed like everytime our offense get something going they put Pat White in for 2 plays (all on ATL,s side of to field) and that seemed to kill momentum.
2. I also saw several plays where we had WR,s open down the field and noodle dumped it off to the underneath guy.
3. Pat White was not accurate in warm ups or the game. Also he is very small. I dont think he has the arm, or the size to play QB in the NFL.
Now for my favorite line of the day. ATL fans trying to start something with the guy in front of me and he just looks at him and says "Come back and talk to me when you have won a Super Bowl" and just walks off. The ATL fan had no comeback.:hi5:
 
I was at the game, and I have not seen anyone speak about how badly Matt Ryan played in the game. He missed three easy touchdown throws by throwing a little high. This game should have been a blow out despite a great job by the run defense. The defense played well, but the secondary is not ready for Peyton Manning!!!
 
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