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I started loving the Dolphin's in the 1970's. They were always a team that was in the thick of things. Winning Super Bowls, Division Titles and such. Shula was great at knowing how to adapt his game to get the best of his players. Heck, he had I think maybe 2 losing seasons in his career with the Dolphins.

I think of how the Dolphins are today, those wininng season's are gone, there are more losing seasons now then I can remember. It is very sad to see how this franchise has hit the bottom. Hopefully they can get back to where they used to be.

I always thought Shula was great, this past decade just shows, how great a coach he really was.
 
hey im from matawan next town over so wierd... anyway gotta think though the bad seasons just make the good ones that much sweeter
 
Cool. Monmouth County rules. LOL Hopefully they can get this team back on track. Just thinking about the old days, and how great this franchise was.
 
Don Shula was amazing. My first three years rooting for the Dolphins the team went to three straight super bowls, had a perfect season and the best team ever and compiled a 44-6-1 record. I couldn't believe it when Miami lost to the Raiders in that epic 28-26 thriller to end the Dolphins super bowl run. Anyway, I was definitely spoiled early on with that success. Didn't hurt that Shula had Hall of Famers in Bob Griese and Dan Marino as his quarterbacks. But, heck, he almost won a super bowl with David Woodley as his quarterback. Miami, clearly the underdog in that game, had a late lead thanks to their defense. That was Shula's best year coaching in my opinion.
 
But, heck, he almost won a super bowl with David Woodley as his quarterback. Miami, clearly the underdog in that game, had a late lead thanks to their defense.

Miami actually was a 3 point favorite, despite the most lopsided quarterback edge in Super Bowl history for the Redskins. Theismann averaged 8.1 yards per attempt in 1982, compared to 6.0 for David Woodley.

That could never happen again. Fans and media are still clueless toward situational influence during the regular season but there has been quite a bit of advancement in statistical research. If an 8.1 quarterback were underdog to 6.0 there would be such mumbling and dismay from the stats sites the theme would carry over to mainstream media, impacting the perception of the game and therefore the number.

Fortunately, the stats guys are so one dimensional they can't comprehend situational variance and how it twists and turns numbers, regardless of category.

It will probably take another 20-30 years before the situational and stats guys concede they have to blend knowledge, similar to trip handicapping in horse racing, which was a reluctant step for many speed figure guys.

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The Dolphins in the early years of the franchise made plenty of personnel gaffes but they were bold and had terrific perspective, leading to the title years. When Rick Norton didn't look like the answer they drafted Griese a year later. Buoniconti was a productive player in the prime of his career and picked up at a value rate. The trade for Warfield carried a high tag but obviously was incredibly astute. I couldn't believe we got that guy. When the backup quarterback spot looked shaky with Jim Del Gaizo in '71 we claimed Morrall for $100 entering '72.

Countless other examples; a talent like Jake Scott sitting there in the 7th round after bolting Georgia for the CFL and some attitude concerns. We struck it rich with several offensive linemen who started elsewhere.

These days Ireland deems it bold to contemplate picking up David Garrard, several years beyond his prime. In sports betting I like value as much as the next guy but I'm making thousands of plays per year so the edge is a steady grind. Ireland has a handful of moves per year and one position that trumps everything else. I have no idea how it's value to subjectively decide a guy is worth $6 million and then refuse to go beyond that, meaning he gets away and you are forced to turn in a completely different direction. That's cutting it too fine, virtually zero margin for error. If you're not going to pinpoint one guy and gamble that you're correct, paying whatever it takes to get him, the only other application of value I detect at the quarterback position is to select several intriguing guys per year until one of them is a jackpot. If that means undrafted guys instead of 3rd, 5th and 7th rounders at certain spots, so be it.
 
Cool. Monmouth County rules. LOL Hopefully they can get this team back on track. Just thinking about the old days, and how great this franchise was.

Colts neck here... Jersey reppin strong, **** we need to take over a jets bar, Miami mikes up north is too far
 
I think allot of Dolphin fans around this area goes to Damon's Grill on Route 9 in Marlboro to catch the games. I have the Sunday Ticket to watch the games at my house. Never been to Miami Mike's but heard it is awesome.
 
Miami actually was a 3 point favorite, despite the most lopsided quarterback edge in Super Bowl history for the Redskins. Theismann averaged 8.1 yards per attempt in 1982, compared to 6.0 for David Woodley.

That could never happen again. Fans and media are still clueless toward situational influence during the regular season but there has been quite a bit of advancement in statistical research. If an 8.1 quarterback were underdog to 6.0 there would be such mumbling and dismay from the stats sites the theme would carry over to mainstream media, impacting the perception of the game and therefore the number.

Fortunately, the stats guys are so one dimensional they can't comprehend situational variance and how it twists and turns numbers, regardless of category.

It will probably take another 20-30 years before the situational and stats guys concede they have to blend knowledge, similar to trip handicapping in horse racing, which was a reluctant step for many speed figure guys.

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The Dolphins in the early years of the franchise made plenty of personnel gaffes but they were bold and had terrific perspective, leading to the title years. When Rick Norton didn't look like the answer they drafted Griese a year later. Buoniconti was a productive player in the prime of his career and picked up at a value rate. The trade for Warfield carried a high tag but obviously was incredibly astute. I couldn't believe we got that guy. When the backup quarterback spot looked shaky with Jim Del Gaizo in '71 we claimed Morrall for $100 entering '72.

Countless other examples; a talent like Jake Scott sitting there in the 7th round after bolting Georgia for the CFL and some attitude concerns. We struck it rich with several offensive linemen who started elsewhere.

These days Ireland deems it bold to contemplate picking up David Garrard, several years beyond his prime. In sports betting I like value as much as the next guy but I'm making thousands of plays per year so the edge is a steady grind. Ireland has a handful of moves per year and one position that trumps everything else. I have no idea how it's value to subjectively decide a guy is worth $6 million and then refuse to go beyond that, meaning he gets away and you are forced to turn in a completely different direction. That's cutting it too fine, virtually zero margin for error. If you're not going to pinpoint one guy and gamble that you're correct, paying whatever it takes to get him, the only other application of value I detect at the quarterback position is to select several intriguing guys per year until one of them is a jackpot. If that means undrafted guys instead of 3rd, 5th and 7th rounders at certain spots, so be it.

Nice read!!!
 
I started loving the Dolphin's in the 1970's. They were always a team that was in the thick of things. Winning Super Bowls, Division Titles and such. Shula was great at knowing how to adapt his game to get the best of his players. Heck, he had I think maybe 2 losing seasons in his career with the Dolphins.

I think of how the Dolphins are today, those wininng season's are gone, there are more losing seasons now then I can remember. It is very sad to see how this franchise has hit the bottom. Hopefully they can get back to where they used to be.

I always thought Shula was great, this past decade just shows, how great a coach he really was.

Well said. I too started watching and following in the 70's. My 1st Super Bowl watched was the loss to the Cowboys.
But Shula came back the next year with the greatest season ever.

We are now embarking on the 40th anniversary of that great season.

I hope that Joe Philbin can become the type of coach that Don Shula was.

To put it into perpective that final win over the Jets last year was the Dolphin 400th in team history.
400 wins and 300 losses.

Shula was responsible for 257 wins and 133 losses.
All of the other coaches combined for 143 win and 167 losses. Sad!

Damn I miss Shula.
 
Im also from NJ, having gone to so many jet vs dolphin games. I remember the day that Shula retired, it actually brought a tear to my eye, but I couldnt tell anyone about it. Heres to better times in the future I hope. Miami mikes is awesome! You can get a room at the hotel for $69/$89 if you tell them you are going to watch the game at Miami Mikes and stay at the hotel, which is great for drinking heavily.
 
Shula isn't perfect. He's largely the reason Dan Marino doesn't have a Super Bowl ring. The same reason John Elway never won a ring until Mike Shanahan took over. No running game.
 
I have no idea how it's value to subjectively decide a guy is worth $6 million and then refuse to go beyond that, meaning he gets away and you are forced to turn in a completely different direction. That's cutting it too fine, virtually zero margin for error. If you're not going to pinpoint one guy and gamble that you're correct, paying whatever it takes to get him, the only other application of value I detect at the quarterback position is to select several intriguing guys per year until one of them is a jackpot. If that means undrafted guys instead of 3rd, 5th and 7th rounders at certain spots, so be it.

Couldn't agree more. People want to give Ireland credit for not "overpaying" but they don't seem to realize that the value that he's setting for these players is almost entirely arbitrary, and in many cases in my view designed to avoid taking risks and being outed as an incompetent fraud.

A question: would you also apply the philosophy you espouse above to "reaching" on a quarterback in the first round -- be it Tannehill or Weeden or (enter name here)?

As I recall when Bill Walsh was scouting Montana they made a number of calls around the league fishing for an idea on where other teams were rating him. The earliest they found another team would even consider him, apparently, was the 5th round.

They took Montana in the 3rd, and laughed all the way to four Superbowls.
 
Shula isn't perfect. He's largely the reason Dan Marino doesn't have a Super Bowl ring. The same reason John Elway never won a ring until Mike Shanahan took over. No running game.

Shula was perfect in 72! But yes he did have some issues after that.

But saying he was largely the reason is Marino doesn't have a ring is way off base.

He put Marino in a situtation to win a ring and Marino had a horrible game in the Super Bowl in 1985
Then Marino followed it up with another stinker in the AFC Championship game vs NE in 1986
In 1991 Dan had another bad game this time against Buffalo and we were eliminated.
1993 home field advantage throughout the playoffs and Dan choked vs Buffalo once again.

I can go on an on.

While Dan was great during the regular season he had his own issues when the playoff came around.

In the 10 years that dan marino went to the playoffs every elimination game except one dan played a bad game.
In fact only once he had a good QB rating and that was the San diego game that he failed to score a point in the 2nd half.
The other 9 were all below par performances (77.6, 66.9, 54.9, 72.1, 56.5, 63.4, 29.3, 65.5, 34.6)
The ring was there for the taking and Dan just didn't deliver. Don't try to blame Don for that.
 
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