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LT Flozell Adams? No Thanks! Are others available?

Flozell looks like another LJ Shelton. A downgrade from Vernon Carey. Dallas ran only 6% of their running plays behind Flozell (lowest on the team). They got the worst result behind him(31st in the league).

It's a nice idea to sign a New Left Tackle... but going from 3.86 Yards per run behind Carey to 2.7 Yards per run behind Adams seems like a terrible idea.

When we signed LJ Shelton, to play Left Tackle, he was also ranked 31st at the time, then he came here and we figured out he was incapable of playing Left Tackle. We made this mistake once. No thank you on Flozell Adams.

ps. Are there any Left Tackles available from these Top-10 teams? What are their names?

http://www.footballoutsiders.com/stats/ol.php
Left-Tackles rated by Run-blocking:
Rank TEAM ALY
1 CLE 5.97 - J.Thomas
2 PHI 5.3 - T.William
3 CAR 5.24 - T.Wharton (re-signed - 6/$36M)
4 HOU 4.92 - E.Salaam
5 DEN 4.88 - M.Lepsis (retired)
6 JAC 4.85 - K.Barnes
7 NYG 4.85 - D.Diehl
8 BAL 4.81 - A.Terry
9 PIT 4.75 - M.Smith
10 MIN 4.68 - B.McKinnie
11 NE 4.48 - M.Light
12 SD 4.36 - M.McNeill
13 DET 4.24 - J.Backus
14 WAS 4.12 - C.Samuels
15 CIN 4.09 - L.Jones
16 TB 4.07 - D.Penn
17 NO 4.05
18 GB 3.98
19 SEA 3.95
20 TEN 3.88
21 MIA 3.86 - V.Carey
22 ARI 3.8
23 OAK 3.71
24 IND 3.7 - T.Ugoh?
25 NYJ 3.48 - D.Ferguson
26 SF 3.29 - A.Snyder
27 ATL 3.25
28 CHI 2.83
29 BUF 2.8
30 STL 2.75
31 DAL 2.7 - F.Adams
32 KC 2.32 - D.McIntosh?


Here is a list of some available Free Agent Tackles:
http://walterfootball.com/free2008OT.php

http://www.thefootballexpert.com/nflfreeagencyoffensivetackles080001.html
 
I believe all of the LT on those teams in the top 10 of the list you put up are locked in. Travelle Wharton (Carolina) just signed a 6 year deal to stay, and he was the best of the bunch out of the free agent list. I would have to do some checking, but I think Max Starks from Pittsburgh is available. However, he comes with a heavy injury history from this year.

I'm not sure you can take these rankings and completely dismiss Flozell Adams and his ability to run block. What is my preference? Stay with youth and develop Carey into the player that Flozell is now. Or, I would rather have Sparano and company find a LT in the draft and move Carey back to the right side.
 
I'd like Flozell as a temporary solution because he's a seasoned veteran with several trips to the pro-bowl, knows Sparano's offense and style, and probably still has 2-3 good years left in him. By then the Dolphins may have someone else groomed to replace him, through the draft.
 
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    Wesley Britt, Patriots. Age: 26.
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    Wesley Britt wasn't really given a chance in New England, as he was behind two really solid tackles. He'll get a shot elsewhere.

    The Pats have "taken" enough from us the past few years! Why not our turn?
 
Parcells likes familiar system guys. Flozell is a familiar system guy.IMO if he leaves Dallas he will be here.
 
Flozell is a nice transitional stop-gap. It allows us to spend more picks on D in this year's draft, then come next year, you look at Phil Loadholt, Michael Oher, Alex Boone...etc.
 
Rich said:
Flozell looks like another LJ Shelton. A downgrade from Vernon Carey. Dallas ran only 6% of their running plays behind Flozell (lowest on the team). They got the worst result behind him(31st in the league).

It's a nice idea to sign a New Left Tackle... but going from 3.86 Yards per run behind Carey to 2.7 Yards per run behind Adams seems like a terrible idea.

When we signed LJ Shelton, to play Left Tackle, he was also ranked 31st at the time, then he came here and we figured out he was incapable of playing Left Tackle. We made this mistake once. No thank you on Flozell Adams.

ps. Are there any Left Tackles available from these Top-10 teams? What are their names?

http://www.footballoutsiders.com/stats/ol.php
Left-Tackles rated by Run-blocking:
Rank TEAM ALY
1 CLE 5.97
2 PHI 5.3
3 CAR 5.24
4 HOU 4.92
5 DEN 4.88
6 JAC 4.85
7 NYG 4.85
8 BAL 4.81
9 PIT 4.75
10 MIN 4.68
11 NE 4.48
12 SD 4.36
13 DET 4.24
14 WAS 4.12
15 CIN 4.09
16 TB 4.07
17 NO 4.05
18 GB 3.98
19 SEA 3.95
20 TEN 3.88
21 MIA 3.86
22 ARI 3.8
23 OAK 3.71
24 IND 3.7
25 NYJ 3.48
26 SF 3.29
27 ATL 3.25
28 CHI 2.83
29 BUF 2.8
30 STL 2.75
31 DAL 2.7
32 KC 2.32


Here is a list of some available Free Agent Tackles:
http://walterfootball.com/free2008OT.php

http://www.thefootballexpert.com/nflfreeagencyoffensivetackles080001.html
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I wouldn't let those number deceive you. Dallas doesn't run left much because Leonard Davis is on the right side. He is the grinder. That and there is another consideration here.

If you understand how the Dallas O Line is built, you would understand that Kyle Kosier isn't exactly the most dominating LG. What Kyle Kosier excels at is pulling. That said, Dallas pulls Kosier quite a bit. When your LG pulls, he usually isn't pulling to the left, now is he?

Dallas is a right handed running team.

I'd judge Flo more as a pass blocker than a run blocker, since that is the primary job of your LT - don't get the QB killed.
 
Rich said:
Flozell looks like another LJ Shelton. A downgrade from Vernon Carey. Dallas ran only 6% of their running plays behind Flozell (lowest on the team). They got the worst result behind him(31st in the league).

It's a nice idea to sign a New Left Tackle... but going from 3.86 Yards per run behind Carey to 2.7 Yards per run behind Adams seems like a terrible idea.

When we signed LJ Shelton, to play Left Tackle, he was also ranked 31st at the time, then he came here and we figured out he was incapable of playing Left Tackle. We made this mistake once. No thank you on Flozell Adams.

ps. Are there any Left Tackles available from these Top-10 teams? What are their names?

http://www.footballoutsiders.com/stats/ol.php
Left-Tackles rated by Run-blocking:
Rank TEAM ALY
1 CLE 5.97 - J.Thomas
2 PHI 5.3 - T.William
3 CAR 5.24 - T.Wharton
4 HOU 4.92 - E.Salaam
5 DEN 4.88 - M.Lepsis
6 JAC 4.85 - K.Barnes
7 NYG 4.85 - D.Diehl
8 BAL 4.81 - A.Terry
9 PIT 4.75 - M.Smith
10 MIN 4.68 - B.McKinnie
11 NE 4.48 - M.Light
12 SD 4.36 - M.McNeill
13 DET 4.24 - J.Backus
14 WAS 4.12 - C.Samuels
15 CIN 4.09 - L.Jones
16 TB 4.07
17 NO 4.05
18 GB 3.98
19 SEA 3.95
20 TEN 3.88
21 MIA 3.86 - V.Carey
22 ARI 3.8
23 OAK 3.71
24 IND 3.7 - T.Ugoh?
25 NYJ 3.48 - D.Ferguson
26 SF 3.29 - A.Snyder
27 ATL 3.25
28 CHI 2.83
29 BUF 2.8
30 STL 2.75
31 DAL 2.7 - F.Adams
32 KC 2.32 - D.McIntosh?


Here is a list of some available Free Agent Tackles:
http://walterfootball.com/free2008OT.php

http://www.thefootballexpert.com/nflfreeagencyoffensivetackles080001.html
Click to expand...

Nice analysis. I agree with you - I don't want this guy - he's completely over-rated. He's good for a ton of false starts too...and our offense isn't good enough to overcome mistakes like that.
 
Flozell is 33.

Donald Penn, 25-year-old Restricted Free-Agent, started 12 games on the Bucs last year, and was average. He might be a guy worth studying. He was undrafted in 2006. I wonder what kind of compensation we would have to give up?
 
Glacier said:
I wouldn't let those number deceive you. Dallas doesn't run left much because Leonard Davis is on the right side. He is the grinder. That and there is another consideration here.

If you understand how the Dallas O Line is built, you would understand that Kyle Kosier isn't exactly the most dominating LG. What Kyle Kosier excels at is pulling. That said, Dallas pulls Kosier quite a bit. When your LG pulls, he usually isn't pulling to the left, now is he?

Dallas is a right handed running team.

I'd judge Flo more as a pass blocker than a run blocker, since that is the primary job of your LT - don't get the QB killed.
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If you did that, you'd find one of the most penalized LTs in the league.

The starting LT on the 2004 - 2007 all-flag team actually.....http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/columns/story?columnist=sando_mike&id=3102510
 
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haha....yea....Flo is a false starting MACHINE. LMAO. He pisses me of in that regard, with out question.
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Definately gives me concern....then again JT is on that list too so, I'm not sure what to think....
 
Shelton appears pretty high on the list. This shows you some of the danger with using only 1-stat. Shelton was a big guy, who improved his run-blocking last year, and was able to move the pile. He was not the most mobile guy, or greatest pass-blocker, but his run-blocking was decent last year.

Run-blocking on Shelton's side was 5%, or lowest on the team. That can sometimes help your stats if the other team doesn't expect it.

http://www.footballoutsiders.com/stats/ol.php
Right-Tackles rated by Run-blocking:

Rank TEAM ALY
1 DAL 5.15 - L.Davis
2 CLE 5.07
3 NYG 4.87
4 CIN 4.82
5 CAR 4.72
6 DEN 4.72
7 MIA 4.63 - LJ Shelton
8 IND 4.51
9 ATL 4.48
10 NE 4.39
11 SD 4.39
12 PIT 4.34
13 ARI 4.27
14 OAK 4.18
15 HOU 4.1
16 SF 4.09
17 TB 4.05
18 NYJ 4.05
19 DET 3.86
20 TEN 3.84
21 NO 3.77
22 WAS 3.76
23 CHI 3.74
24 PHI 3.66
25 STL 3.59
26 BUF 3.48
27 GB 3.45
28 MIN 3.4
29 KC 3.4
30 SEA 3.32
31 JAC 3.26
32 BAL 2.89
 
I'm against Adams not for his work...but because of his age. I rather draft Long and know we have him for the next 10 years...than to keep looking for players to piece meal a position thats the most important on the O.L.
 
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