Major Problem - Players seemingly Tuned Out

[DolphinVJ]

Sorry, if some other post already is discussing this point, but I think the real problem is the players have tuned out the coaches. We have enough talent on the team to play with Buffalo and KC, at least not to lose to them by 19 points each. The last two games of last season we went into a tank after a big NE win and are doing the same thing this year. That is the reason we could not win one game to get into the playoffs last year. Talent is not the problem. Players just not showing the fire, intensity, and focus necessary to play hard and win. Tannehill has also regressed this year but the 19 points losses are not all on him. But if he and the team do not win convincingly next week, he could be benched and I am not sure if Ross will be patient with Philbin during the bye week. This team is playing out of character on many levels.

 

[SkapePhin]

I tuned out Philbin after his bumbling handling of the Martin fiasco. Those press conferences were amateur hour. I'm sure many players tuned him out around that time as well, it has just been somewhat latent over the offseason with the typical false hope of any new season.

Even when things were good, and players were praising his new approach after the Pats win, some took veiled shots at him. Wallace literally said "but he is still boring..." I can't imagine someone saying that about someone they respect publicly.

 

[MRojas4]

I was tuned out when I saw Trusnick trailing a WR/TE/RB by 5 yards for the 20th time.

 

[psfign]

I have a hard time taking people's 'perceived' problem seriously. We don't know if it's a reality or not.

 

[finfan54]

Not sure players were tuned out when they sacked KC five times or caused a fumble and recovered it. or ran the ball with Lamar Miller for 100+

I think the offense is being run by a rookie OC and the QB is having a hard time with it.

 

[roy_miami]

Its natural for players to tune out when you start off on the wrong foot and do nothing but lose. I'm sure most of you won't agree but there is a lot of luck involved in getting off to a fast start. Look at Chip Kelly and the Eagles, you can't tell me he knew what he had in Nick Foles sitting on the bench, or else he wouldn't have named Vick the starter. And he wouldn't have drafted a QB. The guy that Chip Kelly decided to run with was 2-4 as a starter. I'm sure if Kelly himself was being candid even he would say you were out to lunch if you told him Foles would be not just good but a great QB in his system.

Pete Carroll was sinking too until Russell Wilson came along and saved the day.

John Harbaugh and Tom Coughlin have 8-8 seasons in them. Had they started their tenures the way they are going lately for their respective teams I doubt they stick around long enough to get those trophies. The players need to buy in. Thats a cliche but its true. And as a coach you only have a small window to make it happen. And just knowing that isn't enough, you need to get a little lucky with hitting on the right QB and you need to get lucky on a lot of those coin flip opportunities that come up so often during the season. Like the Panthers converting that 4th and 10 and going on to win the game. That wasn't even a coin flip, we were favored to win the game by quite a lot at that point. You make one play right there you're in the playoffs and maybe the "buy-in" is much further along.

This sick feeling that we all feel right now, the players are not immune to that, they feel it too. You guys think that its up to the coach to "coach" that feeling out of them with motivational words or speeches. Winning is the ultimate motivator, losing just begets more losing. Right now Ryan Tannehill is a poor horse and no amount of whipping, yelling or strategizing will turn him into a winner.

 

[Sherif]

Its natural for players to tune out when you start off on the wrong foot and do nothing but lose. I'm sure most of you won't agree but there is a lot of luck involved in getting off to a fast start. Look at Chip Kelly and the Eagles, you can't tell me he knew what he had in Nick Foles sitting on the bench, or else he wouldn't have named Vick the starter. And he wouldn't have drafted a QB. The guy that Chip Kelly decided to run with was 2-4 as a starter. I'm sure if Kelly himself was being candid even he would say you were out to lunch if you told him Foles would be not just good but a great QB in his system.

Pete Carroll was sinking too until Russell Wilson came along and saved the day.

John Harbaugh and Tom Coughlin have 8-8 seasons in them. Had they started their tenures the way they are going lately for their respective teams I doubt they stick around long enough to get those trophies. The players need to buy in. Thats a cliche but its true. And as a coach you only have a small window to make it happen. And just knowing that isn't enough, you need to get a little lucky with hitting on the right QB and you need to get lucky on a lot of those coin flip opportunities that come up so often during the season. Like the Panthers converting that 4th and 10 and going on to win the game. That wasn't even a coin flip, we were favored to win the game by quite a lot at that point. You make one play right there you're in the playoffs and maybe the "buy-in" is much further along.

This sick feeling that we all feel right now, the players are not immune to that, they feel it too. You guys think that its up to the coach to "coach" that feeling out of them with motivational words or speeches. Winning is the ultimate motivator, losing just begets more losing. Right now Ryan Tannehill is a poor horse and no amount of whipping, yelling or strategizing will turn him into a winner.

I disagree. We were the most unbalanced team in the pass to run ratio last year and we are again this year with a different OC. Telling your QB to pass the ball 40-50 times a game when you're down by 5-6 pts is poor strategy. That tells me Philbin is not a good offensive coach or in game planner and poor strategies are the reason for our losses as much as poor QB play and execution.

 

[roy_miami]

I disagree. We were the most unbalanced team in the pass to run ratio last year and we are again this year with a different OC. Telling your QB to pass the ball 40-50 times a game when you're down by 5-6 pts is poor strategy. That tells me Philbin is not a good offensive coach or in game planner and poor strategies are the reason for our losses as much as poor QB play and execution.

I disagree with you. Balance comes naturally, it does you no good as a team to force it. Being out of balance is a symptom there is a problem not vise versa. The Ravens and Giants had similar issues last season and Flacco, Eli manning and Ryan Tannehill could all be classified as similarly decent but inconstant QBs. All 3 were horrible at passes 20+ with Flacco and Tannehill being second and third worst in the league last season.

Its no coincidence that QBs with similar stats (and overall games) suffered from being on an unbalanced team and all had similar records. You have to take what the defense gives you and as long as you prove to be inept at passing the defenses will keep giving you good looks in the passing game. And the teams that do force balance like the Bills don't fare any better with mediocre-poor QB play.

 

[SkapePhin]

I disagree. We were the most unbalanced team in the pass to run ratio last year and we are again this year with a different OC. Telling your QB to pass the ball 40-50 times a game when you're down by 5-6 pts is poor strategy. That tells me Philbin is not a good offensive coach or in game planner and poor strategies are the reason for our losses as much as poor QB play and execution.

You should save your breath, no amount of evidence will persuade roy that his boy Philbin is anything other an intellectual juggernaut with HOF coaching potential simply getting a raw deal due to factors entirely out of his control. You can show mountains of evidence of Philbin's coaching errors and lack of leadership abilities until you are blue in the face, but nothing will dissuade him from the fantasy he has concocted in his mind.

Philbin will return to being a preparer of PowerPoint presentations in Green Bay after failing to mount even a single winning season in his tenure as HC, and roy will continue to hold he was the greatest head coach that never got the chance to shine because of that damn Tannehill!