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Mando: Brady is in Decline

J. David Wannyheimer said:
I don't look at his numbers, I look at what I've actually seen. Everyone is talking about that amazing comeback vs the Saints, but the fact is that he basically had three shots at it... and on one of those chances he threw about the worst interception you'll ever see. And in a couple of plays before he threw the touchdown, he flat out missed a touchdown when he had a guy open. So yeah, There's something to saying Tom Brady has had a bit of a decline.
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So we completely dismiss how his receiving crew has been decimated?
 
I've watched all their games.

For every wide open guy he has missed there must have been at least 3 passes dropped where he hit the guy perfectly.

TV Commentators get paid to talk so that's what they do.
 
miamiron said:
So we completely dismiss how his receiving crew has been decimated?
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Not at all. They have serious problems and as I've said, it was the very definition of hubris for the Patriots to let Welker walk and then bring in Amendola for about the same amount of money. And SOME of the bad throws are miscommunications with receivers, just like with all quarterbacks.

But he's flat out missed some other throws. And I think he has flat out missed enough throws over the course of the season (that I've seen in the 4 Patriots games I've watched some or all of), that it's fair to say he is having an off year. Whether or not this is the start of a serious decline in his play or not remains to be seen, but he doesn't look like the player I'm accustomed to seeing.

It's not all on his weapons. A lot of it is, but not all of it.

And note that I'm not saying he's bad or even 'average.' In fact, he's still pretty damn good. He's simply not playing at an all time great level this year.
 
He can't throw deep. Hes chad Pennington at this point but Chadwick Was still pretty Damn good himself.
 
J. David Wannyheimer said:
Not at all. They have serious problems and as I've said, it was the very definition of hubris for the Patriots to let Welker walk and then bring in Amendola for about the same amount of money. And SOME of the bad throws are miscommunications with receivers, just like with all quarterbacks.

But he's flat out missed some other throws. And I think he has flat out missed enough throws over the course of the season (that I've seen in the 4 Patriots games I've watched some or all of), that it's fair to say he is having an off year. Whether or not this is the start of a serious decline in his play or not remains to be seen, but he doesn't look like the player I'm accustomed to seeing.

It's not all on his weapons. A lot of it is, but not all of it.

And note that I'm not saying he's bad or even 'average.' In fact, he's still pretty damn good. He's simply not playing at an all time great level this year.
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Of course he's going to miss throws when he has no consistency with his players or in the game. Of course he is going to look off when the players are probably missing the little nuances of the route that he is used to seeing them run.

This is 100% on his cast and not on him. Want proof? His cast of weapons is the worst in the league and they are 5-2 (with a flukey loss last week). He hasn't started his decline yet, not even close.
 
Atila said:
This is 100% on his cast and not on him. Want proof? His cast of weapons is the worst in the league and they are 5-2 (with a flukey loss last week). He hasn't started his decline yet, not even close.
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That doesn't actually prove anything. You can believe what you want to believe, but some of this stuff is just laughable.

Feel free to come back on Monday with posts like "SEE I TOLD YOU SO" after he torches us for four touchdowns because Kevin Coyle is too stupid to mix up coverages and we wind up with Philip Wheeler covering Rob Gronkowski, by the way.
 
You've watched enough football, I'm sure, to understand that when you are out of sync with your receivers that some of your routine throws will be tougher to complete due to a lack of rhythm.

It's just common sense.
 
He's struggled to get the ball to Julian Edelman, and Edelman has been a Patriot for years.
 
Cool, like I said, his lack of rhythm will make routine throws harder to complete. This goes with anyone ever in anything ever.
 
So you're saying he underthrew two end zone passes to a wide open Julian Edelman because he is out of sync with Kenbrell Thompkins?

OK.
 
Yeah, when you don't have RHYTHM in general it will make ALL your throws that much harder.

Do I really need to spell this out for you?
 
hard to say if Brady fell off or if his teammates are just that bad. something is off
 
shouright said:
But then that line of thinking, by extension, would mean that limitations in Ryan Tannehill's ability last year, and not just something about his "weapons," were a big part of the problem. I just find it interesting how the dispositional versus situational explanations tend to flip-flop based on who we're talking about. Sometimes the player himself has the sole responsibility for the problem, and other times the blame gets cast onto everyone around him, depending on who is being talked about.

There is little consistency or thought given to the overall philosophical approach in this regard, it seems. Are players in general more likely to be personally responsible for their own performance, or dependent on those around them for it? If it's the former, then it should be very rare that we invoke a situational explanation for someone's play in general.
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We get it, you don't like Tannehill. You don't think he's a good qb. Please stop hijacking every thread with the same argument.
 
Atila said:
Yeah, when you don't have RHYTHM in general it will make ALL your throws that much harder.

Do I really need to spell this out for you?
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No, that's okay, I think I understand perfectly what the argument is here.
 
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