Mando: Dolphins discussed flyyn with philbin

[cuzinvinny]

If anyone would know it's Philbin. He has been working with him for years. I trust his judgement over 2 games.

I was thinking the same thing. And I'm sure Philbin must know that his career as a Dolphin HC will depend heavily on the success or failure of such a decision ... if that is the decision he is planning to make.
Know very little about him, but he is starting out with a clean slate and will now have to prove his worth and build trust by showing his talent and ability.
Good luck Coach

 

[datruth55]

I said this would be the case before Philbin even went to his second interview. It would make absolute perfect sense for the Dolphins to ask Philbin what he though about Flynn since Flynn was going to be a free agent on the market...don't mistake this as them asking Philbin if he could bring Flynn with him to Miami...that will still be a difficult task if Ireland doesn't front the money.

 

[Sirspud]

I was thinking the same thing. And I'm sure Philbin must know that his career as a Dolphin HC will depend heavily on the success or failure of such a decision ... if that is the decision he is planning to make.
Know very little about him, but he is starting out with a clean slate and will now have to prove his worth and build trust by showing his talent and ability.
Good luck Coach

Considering this team had a winning record the second half of the season and an offense that was highly productive in many of those games I'd say his career only rests on that if it has to. Maybe Philbin has a conviction about Flynn and knows he is a franchise caliber QB or maybe he could want to start his first year as HC with a QB he is familiar. I wouldn't consider Philbin wanting Flynn to be confirmation of franchise potential, considering favoring players you are familiar with over other options has been the death knell of many coaches who knew schemes and play design but are terrible at personnel decisions.

Isn't one of the biggest complaints against Sparano the fact that he mostly picked up players who had played for him before?

 

[Tiko377]

i can't stand mando he's been a terrible reporter for us with all his bs this offseason

 

[Tiko377]

Considering this team had a winning record the second half of the season and an offense that was highly productive in many of those games I'd say his career only rests on that if it has to. Maybe Philbin has a conviction about Flynn and knows he is a franchise caliber QB or maybe he could want to start his first year as HC with a QB he is familiar. I wouldn't consider Philbin wanting Flynn to be confirmation of franchise potential, considering favoring players you are familiar with over other options has been the death knell of many coaches who knew schemes and play design but are terrible at personnel decisions.

Isn't one of the biggest complaints against Sparano the fact that he mostly picked up players who had played for him before?[/QUOTE]

he brought us people like freaking marc colombo and ayodele he brought no one near matt flynn

 

[finfan54]

At the rate of wrong assumptions lately, I will think Flynn to Miami will not happen. Sherman comes on board, think Tannehill or tradin up for RGIII.

RGIII to me fits everything Philbin is looking for. High Character, accuracy, athletic, good decision maker.

 

[J Tes]

i was thinking at some point philbin , ross and flynn had a 3 way conversation.

I bet Ross and Ireland had a lot of 3 ways this week

 

[DeathStar]

At the rate of wrong assumptions lately, I will think Flynn to Miami will not happen. Sherman comes on board, think Tannehill or tradin up for RGIII.

RGIII to me fits everything Philbin is looking for. High Character, accuracy, athletic, good decision maker.

Either one works for me...

We are suck of mediocre QB play...Moore is just average...We deserve better than just average.

 

[The Confessor]

ArmandoSalguero The Dolphins discussed Matt Flynn with Joe Philbin during the interview process as a fact-gathering exercise. No guarantees it happens.

What this before or after the Dolphins hired McCoy as Head coach?


Arm-and-oh is an idiot.

 

[luduporcu]

Don't be too certain, with Bowles possibly staying as DC, they will try and find a way to get him back and get Flynn.

Bell and Fasano could be cap cuts and there is always the ability to ask someone else to restructure.

Not really necessary, DZAKK! Last season, weren't we under the "cap" by c. $8 Million? And we had to pay COLUMBO something. Well, he's as good as gone, so we'll save $$ there. Last season, SOLIAI got "franchise" money, c. $12 Million. The young man has proven that he's solid, so give him what he has earned--a long term deal. If it cost us $9 Million/year for 4 years, w/at least half of it guaranteed, FINE! We'd still save a TON of "cap" money. As to BELL, cut him. He can't cover his a** anymore.

So, with just a couple of business moves, and cutting only COLUMBO and BELL, MIAMI could save about $6 or so Million "cap" $$, over and above what we had left in cap space (which would presumably still be there). MIAMI could then afford a reasonably-priced FLYNN, a solid F/A FS and G, and still have/find enough to extend both MOORE and LANGFORD w/very little additional cutting/restructuring. If our FO and "capologist" can't make THAT much happen, they should all be fired.

 

[Sirspud]

Not really necessary, DZAKK! Last season, weren't we under the "cap" by c. $8 Million? And we had to pay COLUMBO something. Well, he's as good as gone, so we'll save $$ there. Last season, SOLIAI got "franchise" money, c. $12 Million. The young man has proven that he's solid, so give him what he has earned--a long term deal. If it cost us $9 Million/year for 4 years, w/at least half of it guaranteed, FINE! We'd still save a TON of "cap" money. As to BELL, cut him. He can't cover his a** anymore.

So, with just a couple of business moves, and cutting only COLUMBO and BELL, MIAMI could save about $6 or so Million "cap" $$, over and above what we had left in cap space (which would presumably still be there). MIAMI could then afford a reasonably-priced FLYNN, a solid F/A FS and G, and still have/find enough to extend both MOORE and LANGFORD w/very little additional cutting/restructuring. If our FO and "capologist" can't make THAT much happen, they should all be fired.

Why on Earth would Moore want to sign an extension with a team that is going to pay a lot of money to have another guy at QB and will let that guy sink or swim because of his contract? There are at least a dozen teams in the league who are clearly not better than Moore at QB and at least one of them would let him compete, which wouldn't be happening here.

 

[The Confessor]

Why on Earth would Moore want to sign an extension with a team that is going to pay a lot of money to have another guy at QB and will let that guy sink or swim because of his contract? There are at least a dozen teams in the league who are clearly not better than Moore at QB and at least one of them would let him compete, which wouldn't be happening here.

I COMPLETELY disagree.

I think Moore will be given every opportunity to compete regardless of if they bring in Flynn or draft Andrew Luck himself (They're not going to, Luck's name given for affect). Moore did quite a bit in a short amount of time. From all accounts, he also fits in with the current locker-room. I know that will change to some degree as well, but not completely.

 

[hoops]

good grief...you don't pay matt flynn what he'd command in free agency and ask him to compete for the starting job...gonna drop $20 mil guaranteed on a guy and tell him he has to beat out a guy making $2.5 mil if that this year

yeah right...we better not be that damn dumb...if you bring in flynn he's your starter...if he craps the bed then you may make the switch in season

 

[Sirspud]

good grief...you don't pay matt flynn what he'd command in free agency and ask him to compete for the starting job...gonna drop $20 mil guaranteed on a guy and tell him he has to beat out a guy making $2.5 mil if that this year

yeah right...we better not be that damn dumb...if you bring in flynn he's your starter...if he craps the bed then you may make the switch in season

Exactly. I don't mind bringing in a rookie who can train behind an established starter indefinitely. It can be Alex Smith & Colin Caepernick, Brett Favre & Aaron Rodgers, Jon Kitna & Palmer, Brees & Rivers, etc. But committing serious money to a veteran means that guy is your starter, end of story. Staking millions and millions on a guy means your reputation if it doesn't work, which is why the Matt Cassell's & Kevin Kolbs of the NFL keep their jobs several years even when their performance doesn't add up.

 

[The Confessor]

good grief...you don't pay matt flynn what he'd command in free agency and ask him to compete for the starting job...gonna drop $20 mil guaranteed on a guy and tell him he has to beat out a guy making $2.5 mil if that this year

yeah right...we better not be that damn dumb...if you bring in flynn he's your starter...if he craps the bed then you may make the switch in season

Oh, okay.

What was I thinking.

I figured you give the starting nod to whoever looks better in camp.

I COMPLETELY overlooked the obvious, and that is just start the highest paid player.............